Do you get pissed off in public?

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Following on from my racism thread I thought this had to be brought up. I was also in HMV where I wanted to get Ryan Adams new CD. I had ordered it yesterday (from another HMV across the other side of Dublin) and so I went to collect it. Having paid money to order it for today, cos nowhere else would have it till official release date monday I find they didnt bother ordering it for me. They fucked up basically. I wanted my money back based on the fact that I only ordered it thinking it would come today. After a lengthy argument with the person involved and the manager I cancelled the order and got my money. But I had to make a scene to do it. What I want to know is........do you all do this? Do you demand your rights and stuff? Or are you not arsed?

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i should do this more, and stand up a bit more, but i tend to just leave things.

gareth, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love causing a fuss when service has been poor. For god's sake, they've taken my money, they should deal with me efficiently and politely.

Ronan, you are quickly turning into a righter of wrongs, have you thought of superhero classes rather than journalism?

chris, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I get to shag Teri Hatcher then bring it on.............

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan you had a lucky escape and should be grateful not angry.

Tom, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wish I was better at making a fuss about stuff, but I tend to be all rubbish and English about everything, say nothing and then go and whinge about it all to my friends.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thats your answer for everything.

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"... Ronan, this may be cliched but, put down the Haterade. I bet you're one of them niggas who don't like Jordan, says Shaq has no skill, thinks Iverson is a thug, swears Randy Moss is overrated, and thinks Wayne Chrebet is better than Keyshawn."

I just saw this over on ILM, I'm a hata'. Isn't Iversen that especially funky looking basketball player

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If something really matters to me, then I can be almost fanatical in my pursuit of it, and if that means losing my temper in public and fighting for something then so be it. Have had some massive arguments in shops over refunds and the like, though it's generally easier to win them simply because I have knowledge of the law and things. Guess it depends on the situation...

Paul Strange, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"funky looking"?

he's prolly one of the best players in the league right now.

whaddya racist or something, fitzgerald? ;)

jess, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I yell at almost everyone. If i had a miserable day watch out. Like when i ordered a MILK and i got a mocha. First of all in which universe do they sound remotly the same. I got to the till with this 5 dollar coffee monstrosity. Then the Barrista acted like i ordered it. I said MILK , WHITE MILK , A SMALL WHITE MILK .

As well the bitch who thinks ten items or less meant put your middle classes breeder lunches for the week on the conveyer and make like no one noticed . IT IS TEN
ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN EIGHT NINE TEN.
not 17 . If you have 17 little lunches for your sexually frustrated husband and tyour 2.3 ungrateful kids go to A FUCKING REGULAR LINE.

anthony, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoa, take a chill pill Anthony...

Emma, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and iverson IS a thug, and that's what makes him GRATE. ;)

jess, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It is dud. Having worked alot of retail jobs the mass public uses worekers as whipping posts for their own frustrated lives. Usually the people freaking out get snickered at after work. But essentially, why make people's lives harder because your life sucks at that moment.

Jay Simon, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you're annoyed in a shop it's a good idea to try and speak to the manager, too. Shouting at an assistant doesn't help anyone, since the assistant usually can't do anything anyway. I have argued points of law (I think you'll find Lord Denning said...) with many a store manager over the years...

Paul Strange, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Ten ITem thing really gets my goat. Its impolite ast best , inconsiderate and i was late for my appointment.

anthony, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

BEING a store manager (more or less, along with dozens of other duties) i can say that arguing with the manager often doesn't get anything done otherwise. now, obviously ronan was gonna get ripped, but at least once a day, i get someone calling or (even worse) stopping in, bitching at me for a late delivery from one of my distributors, a sell-out, a back-order and other acts of the retail gods i have no control over. screaming at me just makes me hate you more, and stands you a better chance of getting your items later and later (esp. if it's something we have that no one else does, ie textbooks.)

jess, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I criticised Tupac and somehow opened the gate to ghetto life.............I've never been called a nigga before.

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Talk sweetly. You would be surprised what you can achieved. I regular get free cds from clerks and such who hate the system as much as the next guy.

Jay Simon, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In fairness the assistant I freaked at was the one who asked me if I wanted it ordered in for Friday. I mean I can get in anywhere tomorrow or Monday I'd say

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, but when a manager is completely wrong on something you have to stand your ground. For example, I once bought something, took it home and discovered it was broken. Took it back to the store 4 days later and was told that I couldn't get an exchange because the store only exchanged within 3 days or purchase. Despite the fact that this fact was not displayed anywhere, not even on the receipt.

So, I had to argue it out with the manager. Went on for ages, him telling me it wasn't his problem and me stressing he was in breach of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 and that in line with the 'Ticket' contract cases such outlandish terms had not been incorporated into the contract as they had not been brought to my attention. The whole thing went on for almost an hour, with him telling me to prove my point. He didn't back down until I gave him my card and explained I was a solicitor. Like I said, if I'm right on something I will fight. If I'm not I'll back down.

Paul Strange, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan,I don't understand how you think that a new release that will be coming out next Monday, should be available on Friday and you only ordered it yesterday. Completely bizzare.

Having worked in a chain record store as an Assistant Manager over 8 years ago, next day deliveries are only possible if ordered before midday or early afternoon and only for "chart" or "popular back catalogue" items.

Also (at least) in the UK, record stores should not sell new releases before the new release date. It only happens in some independent record stores if you know them on a personal basis or ask for a specific item on say a Sunday.

Unless things work differently in Ireland I think your expectations of getting this CD under the circumstances were OTT and unrealistic.

"..only ordered it thinking it would come today" - this was your perception Ronan, did this assistant promise it would come in today? I doubt it - especially if they knew it was not been released till Monday.

The moto of the story is you need to communicate with the assistant better and never assume what you think will happen!

Also an item such as Ryan Adams who has a profile in Hot Press, would not be ordered specifically for you, instead this item would have been pre-ordered either by head office/or store manager weeks ago. If you special ordered it - it would have been treated as a reserve item, i.e when the stocks came in - one CD would have been put aside for you, so you could collect on Monday - therefore in the event of the stocks selling out to high demand, at least your copy would have been put to one side in the special orders.

What would have been a fuck up would have be on Monday all Ryan Adams CDs sold out and your CD was not put aside.

DJ Martian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thats such absolute shite. They try to pull anything. They cant even have that policy can they, if somethings broken they have to give you a refund and thats that, sign or no sign. It's dead worth your while to glance through the Sale of Goods Supply of Services Act. Consumer Protection Act, Data protection act, whatever else because when you start referring to them people tend to listen.

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Martian a few points.

1. HMV over here ALWAYS sells CDs the friday before their official release date. 2. Thats made irrelevent by the fact that I paid money to order the CD after being clearly and 100 percent unequivocally informed I would have it as of today. And like I said its from another HMV, about half an hours walk away. So how hard can it be? Even if they're not meant to do it, I was told otherwise and paid my money obviously thinking otherwise. Certainly not my fault is it? Whose is it then? I don't care particularly, I'm just not going to pay money for absolutely nothing. And yes I will be walking to the other HMV.

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All I can say is know your rights as a consumer. Often the store will be in the right and there's nothing you can do, but sometimes a store will try and do something that's just plain wrong.

Paul Strange, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I should clarify the reason I was thinking it would be there today was because thats what I was told on ordering it. "We can have it for you tomorrow if you want to order it?" I didnt ask to order it even.

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That's really weird, selling the records early... when I worked in Virgin I was told I could be fired for selling something before it's meant to be sold. Messes up the charts, see.

Paul Strange, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan, Question: do Tower and Virgin in Dublin also sell new release CDs before new release Monday as well?

DJ Martian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fairly sure Virgin does. Don't know about Tower. I've seen stuff the odd time a week or two before release date. Its because theres noone working in Irish music shops who has a fucking clue about music, possibly because theres noone shopping in Irish music shops who has a fucking clue about music

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan states..possibly because theres noone shopping in Irish music shops who has a fucking clue about music...

Ah goes back to the Systems theory/ GIGO .. but rubbish into a system you get rubbish out.

2FM and Dublin fm104 (always advertising in Hot press) - have crappy mainstream tightly controlled playlists.. correct? and therefore this is the frame of the reference for the masses to buy their music, which in turn shapes demand of what is stocked in the shops.

DJ Martian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes indeed. 2fm have perhaps one show nightly for an hour and a half that plays non pop music. When I say that themselves and FM 104 play pop music, I mean nothing remotely unpopular gets a look in. We're talking anything from the top ten or twenty of the last year on repeat. There is an indie radio station, which is pirate and tries to get a licence each time one comes up (why they are so tight with giving radio licences is anyones guess). I mean this Indie Station is shite enough anyway but the way I see it, if a station plays a load of fairly average/fairly poor indie with the odd classic thrown in, then at least the markers have not been changed to make crap unenterprising indie into a sort of faux underground scene. Then there is the greatest 2-3 hours of the week where I take the Mic on my mates relatively small pirate station and inspire the world with my music. It was once voted third best pirate station in Dublin you know? And it's run from the nicest shed you could imagine

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is this the pirate Xfm 107.9

DJ Martian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No sadly. Xfm is cool though, I wish I could get on there where my talents might be appreciated. The station I'm on is Supreme FM, currently out of action but starting again soon, and its mostly pop/dance/cheesey indie, so I'm the "alternative show". I do crazy things like play Cop Shoot Cop when I need to drive to the shop for beer.

Ronan, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I sometimes have a quick temper, and almost always have a loud voice, so I keep my public outbursts closely in check. It always helps to see someone else freaking out on a store clerk or somebody in a grocery line to realize how obnoxious and sad that kind of behavior is. Even if I feel I've been wronged and need to raise my voice in order to get my point across, if I just take a moment to calm down I remember how much more effective I'll be if I don't make a fool of myself yelling at someone who probably isn't even responsible for the problem.

btw, is there a new Ryan Adams? I haven't heard a word about it.

Sean, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Strange, I worked in a Glasgow branch of HMV three years ago and don't remember ever selling anything before the release date. Is this just an Irish thing then?

I don't get annoyed in public, no, but I occassionally have minor arguments with bus drivers over tickets and small things like that. I did once argue with a chip shop owner about the fact that he had run out of chips though. I'd had one or two drinks.

Ally C, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mental note to selves - do not piss anthony off under any circumstance...

yeah, being pissed off in public is fun, far more so than being pissed on.

Geoff, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Geoff, you haven't been to the right clubs.

Sean, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Geoff
If we were all honest about our irritants we would be alot more civil.

anthony, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ronan if its yuo thats the same one,. s at the Galeria, i know yuo are pised off ast me but pleas dont let it spoil ouir friendship beacause I like yuo AS A FREIND :)

chasimino, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have heard bad things about the new Ryan Adams album "Gold" or Golden or something (?). Basically, that its your typical doomed double cd. Self-indulgent, half of it filler that should be left for b-sides. If this is the case, its too bad, because I adore Heartbreaker.

re: the point of the thread. I should get upset more often in public. The fear of making a scene always stops me though.

bnw, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually quite a lot, but I find I don't shout. I just do 'threat of shouting', which works well.

Anthony: those middle-class breeder lunches. Pasta salad? Lunchables?

suzy, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lunchables = food of Satan's spawn.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've heard some of it which is pretty good and I can't see how he'd have fillers on it considering he left out some brilliant songs. I don't know, the only risk with him is he can go a bit power poppy at times.

Ronan, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I find the best strategy is to always be polite and very nice, which is good as a) the cashier (or whatever) is probably used to dealing with stroppy bastards so will naturally be inclined to help you out cos you're so sweet, b) if they're just being stroppy themselves with any luck they'll feel a bit guilty about being horrid to such a nice person.

DG, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But if they've been a fucking mule and muled up what you asked them to do really well then the least they can expect from me is a little anger.

Ronan, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah! But then they may get annoyed at you (unreasonable perhaps, but likely) and do their best to legitimately throw more spanners in the works.

DG, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

True I suppose. Anyway I got Gold today in HMV on my new credit card. Yes my new credit card. Actually its more like a lazer card but its made by mastercard and looks like a credit card. They're giving them to people for free when you open a student account along with loads of other stuff. Easy to see the banks know who'll be buttering their bread for them in a few years time. It's not actually a double album. It's a single album with a bonus cd of songs he left out of the album.

Ronan, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
ha ha ryan adams...i think i get pissed off more in public. today was the second morning in a row i missed the train by a second, doors closing as i tried to get through opposing people. i have developed this Latinesque way of raising a hand in agitation and cursing (not in Latin) - it must look quite ridiculous to other people.

teh pow! (blueski), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I live in London - 'nuff said?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

My Ox is BROKEN!

Colin (Dave225), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Not frequently, but I do have a flare up fast-cool down quickly kind of temper which has led to hitting a tree with a parasol, throwing an apricot at a delivery van, telling a London Transport jobsworth to go "fuck your self, you fucking tedious wanker!" before falling flat on my face and other incidents. I swear if I were male someone would have hit me by now.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hitting a tree with a parasol

All of a sudden I now imagine Anna as living in the 1890s and chasing away scalawags with a fearlessly wielded parasol.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"Do you get pissed on in public"?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem with getting pissed off in public, at service people in particular, is that you almost inevitably end up looking like a gigantic cockfarmer to random passers by, people waiting in the queue behind you, the people being paid £4 an hour to listen to you rant about a matter that is probably out of their hands etc etc.

This is mostly because I see so many people being so rude and abraisive at such trivial things that I'm tempted to say what Anna said to the London Transport jobsworth. The only way you can avoid this is if the person serving you appears an even greater cockfarmer (officious public transport workers are among the worst in this regard).

Anna - that nice green parasol from Glastonbury? I hope you didn't break it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

All of a sudden I now imagine Anna as living in the 1890s and chasing away scalawags with a fearlessly wielded parasol.

Then she finds Data's head, and Mark Twain appears.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Remarkably, I almost never get pissed off in public. It's true. I am not being sarcastic.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the only time i've ever been pissed in public is at office max - one of those big stationary and office supply stores. They had an ad which was almost too good to be true. I got there as they were opening the store, and they didnt have that item. but it took them a half hour of me standing at the service desk for them to tell me. it was clearly a bait and switch ("but look, we have this one here which you can buy, it's only 20 dollars more") and it had me really upset about wasting my time there and them avoiding eye contact with me and basically jerking me around. I will never buy anything from that store again.

yeah, so i got pissed at the manager. first and only time.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yep. i get angry in public. see the rob bolton birthday thread if you have any questions.

colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Anna - that nice green parasol from Glastonbury? I hope you didn't break it.

as i recall, the parasol was fine but the tree was slightly injured. i think i may well have been the cause of the anger. i am occasionally annoying enough to be a danger to plants everywhere...

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i usually don't get all that pissed off in public myself, and when it does i tend to be more quiet and seething than loud and shouting. that said i completely lost it with someone from the student loans company over the phone a few months ago. i'd feel bad about it, because i'm sure the root problem was the person i'd talked to the previous week, but she was so obnoxious about it that i don't.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah, Toby, what did you do? I can't imagine how you could make Anna angry.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

actually i wish i got angry more often; i was made to change into a shirt at a restaurant recently, and was treated with quite a lot of disdain while this was happening, and it later turned out that other customers were in t-shirts anyway. i'd considered walking out at the beginning, and i should have done.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck changing a shirt

teh pow! (blueski), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

recently I had a fucking massive massive argument with someone in public.

I was doing my second job, basically I have to go to the car park on the premises of the place my dad works when there are big sports matches on nearby, cos they let their clients park there, and I've to make sure nobody who isn't meant to be there goes in. they're all loaded and it's very lucrative, anyway I was doing it one day and when I arrived to open up the gates were open and the place was full.

I began asking people to move their cars and stuff, at least the people who were still getting out, and some did, and apologised etc. I had to move as many as possible cos directors and things would have had no space, it was so full.

So this one couple and their friend, aged about 30ish I'd say, started getting really arsey and were like "WHY DO WE HAVE TO MOVE, YOU WON'T MOVE EVERYONE WHO'S GONE" etc etc, and I too was getting annoyed because the entire situation was a mess and I simultaneously had to park people.

Anyway before I knew it it was a full on heated street argument with loads of people watching, and she said "YOU DIDN'T CATCH HALF THE OTHER PEOPLE" and I was all "YEAH BUT I CAUGHT YOU" and people were cheering and then finally her beardo treeman boyfriend shouted "THERE WAS NO SIGN SAYING THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY" and I said that there was at which point I was afraid he'd get violent cos he said "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR"

And I read him the sign. And they then pointed out, wisely that I didn't actually know which car was theirs, merely that they had parked there and were leaving.

Then I asked them please to move because, on a human level, they were responsible for me possibly losing my job. The guy said that was my problem.

Then, finally, I screamed "OK YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE I PROMISE YOU IF I HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE, PARK MY CAR IN FRONT OF THE GATE, OR THROW STONES AT YOU YOUR CAR WILL BE LOCKED IN HERE LATER IF YOU DON'T MOVE IT, I REALLY DON'T FUCKING CARE HOW I DO IT BUT YOU BETTER BOOK A HOTEL"

and everyone cheered.

And they moved the car. it was very dramatic.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what if their car had been a golf buggy?

teh pow! (blueski), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)


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