Rioja -- buying wine at the grocery store that you've never heard of

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Has anyone ever heard of Rioja, or did my yuppie supermarket just get me to buy an invented kind of red wine? Supposedly this is from Spain: "Conde de Valdemar Rioja" according to the label. It's actually pretty good (ie drinkable and I am buzzed on 1/2 a glass already). (I'm going to laugh if this is actually a very common kind of red wine & I've just been oblivious to it previously.)

Are there other kinds of wine that people drink a lot of elsewhere but aren't very common in the US?

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 2 August 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

start laughing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 2 August 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, the advantage to having to turn red & laugh is that at least the supermarket didn't get me to buy imaginary wine. ;-)

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 2 August 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Rioja, some of the best of Spanish Reds.

Other's that might not make it widely to the US that I like:

Barbera, Barbaresco, Grignolino all piedmontese reds. The last I've never even seen in the UK a delicous exceedingly light red.

Other great Italian Reds: Pelaverga, Brunello di Montalcino, Vino Nobile di Montepulciano (should be able to find the last two, but probably not all that cheaply)

Fo whites I really like the italian Tokai.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 2 August 2003 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

if you have to buy spanish wine, best choices are rioja or ribera del duero.

joan vich (joan vich), Saturday, 2 August 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

To repeat gabbneb, start laughing.

I've been all over Chilean carmeres lately.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 2 August 2003 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh... Orbit to thread!

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 2 August 2003 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I barely drink anything but Rioja. It's aceness.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 2 August 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Also my all time favourite wine (my late grandpa's favourite too) Chateau from the Lebanon.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 2 August 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Chateau Musar? Not three bad.

Spanish wines search also Penedes. But as with Rioja it's only a region, and sadly denominacion de origen has become as bastardised as appelation controlee in recent years so if it isn't reserva or gran reserva then it's pot luck unless you ask some trustworthy staff (that being said I sell a Crianza which is infinitely classier than the big name riojas).

At the moment I'm all about the light reds. Pinot Noir from Oregon, Grenache from the Barossa and France's best kept secret, Grenache/Syrah blends from the Nimes region (you can get a suprisingly good one from Aldi for four quid, but if you have access to an Oddbins I urge you to get a bottle of Labeye, it's about four fifty). Come the winter I'll find my taste turning to gutsier ones, big booming Nebbiolos and Amarones. Chris = OTM about Carmenere, it's only just starting to come into it's own and will be all over the show before long.

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 2 August 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Gamay is good, too, it's so light it's barely even wine, so you can drink loads of it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 2 August 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Cameniere is indeed a fine choice, esp. from Chile, though you can occassionally find a good one from Luna, which is the name of a Northern California vineyard. Sangiovese (the principal grade in traditional Chianti) also makes an amazing bottle of wine--Italy or California are your best sources for that. Italy also makes great "Super-Tuscans": Nebbiolo, Barbaresco, Barbarolo but to get a decent one does cost a little more than average, making a Sangiovese the most bang per buck. These are all reds, and depending on the vineyard will have different balances of fruit and oak. My favorites tend to be the more new world style wines, where oak/vanilla, tobacco, and coffee notes on the finish balance the fruit.

Those who like more fruit-forward wines would be happier with California red Zinfandels, French Boujolais, and Marquez de Caceres red Rioja from Spain. None of these are hard of the pocketbook. For the smooth traditional vin de table, I like Chateau Haut Crozier Bordeaux, smooth and classic.

Right now I'm still into heavy new world reds, and the best bang per buck with my lamb chop is Columbia Crest Grand Estates 1999/2000 Merlot or Cabernet Savignon. They are both good, nice oaky finish, only $7.99 at Trader Joe's, a very good value. I've found Columbia Crest Grand Estates to be very reliable and consistent for oaky wines; they re-stave and toast their barrels every two years. If you buy the regular Cab/Merlot blend from them, it will be a decent vin ordinaire, but to really enjoy a nice wine, pay the extra dollar and make sure it says Grand Estates.

I've noticed that the quality of the Austrialian Shiraz and Shiraz/Cab blends has gone down among the low-end priced wines.

Ok, now I'm just rambling and I could ramble about wine forever so I will stop.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 2 August 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, correcting typos:
Carmeniere
prinicipal GRAPE not grade
ack

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 2 August 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

And tonight's wine....sherwood estate New Zealand Pinot Noir, light in body with an acidic alcohol bite whcih is softened by an outrageous amount of fruit, bramble, damson and a bit of strawberry. Lengthy finish. Classy.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 4 August 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

New "I'm getting, I'm getting, a newt cycling past a dartboard factory, running through a patch of stinging nettles in a shell-suit, being felt up by an aunt at the funeral of a close relative" answers.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 4 August 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Fucking hell, I love rioja.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Except when I try and drink it too quickly like I just did, and inhale instead of swallow, and then nearly fuckin' die. *cough* *hack* *wheeze*

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 1 November 2003 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, careful!

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 1 November 2003 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I am alive!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 2 November 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Phew! But if you had to go I mean death by rioja has gotta be one of the better ways!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Sunday, 2 November 2003 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Once more, I fucking love this wine. That is all.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

you're always on that rioja!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

This is true.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 11 January 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm on Salento Rosso tonight. It's a very good thing.

Matt (Matt), Sunday, 11 January 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=788

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 11 January 2004 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Super-Tuscans are actually expensive, high-end wines made in or near the Tuscany region of Italy, and are generally Sangiovese based. Some examples include Tignanello, Sassicaia, and Ornellaia.

Nebbiolo is a grape, grown primarily in the Piedmont region of Italy towards the Northwest of the country. It is the primary grape used in Barberas and Dolcettos (relatively affordable) as well as Barbarescos and Barolos (expensive but some of the best wines in the world).

webcrack (music=crack), Sunday, 11 January 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
SEVEN bottles.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 1 May 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

eight years pass...

Has anyone ever heard of Rioja, or did my yuppie supermarket just get me to buy an invented kind of red wine? Supposedly this is from Spain: "Conde de Valdemar Rioja" according to the label. It's actually pretty good (ie drinkable and I am buzzed on 1/2 a glass already). (I'm going to laugh if this is actually a very common kind of red wine & I've just been oblivious to it previously.)

Are there other kinds of wine that people drink a lot of elsewhere but aren't very common in the US?

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:14 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago)

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reverend al green
deep blue morocco
the water on stone
the water on concrete
the water on sand
the water on fire, smoke
the wind
the salt
the bright boat coming
dave in the water
old man einstein on top of his house
white deep blue
andalusia
red yellow red yellow
black car
red light
far black plays walls
blue chair morocco
hamburg, paris
the pieces of the puzzle awaiting
the water of the dark boats gliding
the bright boat gone out to sea
and dave is floating
dave is floating
and old man einstein
crazy in his attic
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The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago)


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