Jarvis Cocker, wtf.

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OK can anyone explain to my why Jarvis Cocker decided that looking like this was bad:

http://www.mtv.com/news/images/p/pulp980624.gif http://www.suburbia.com.au/~anthony/Pulp/Jarvis.chip.jpg

and that look like this was good:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/music/2002/10/images/pulp_100.jpg http://www.sputniktv.com/especials/0025_primavera/pulp.JPG

I mean for fuck's sake.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like, taking sides, being the hottest man ever versus being a homeless man from 1976.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know why that one picture takes so long to load btw, I'm real sorry I didn't realize it was big file size.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Looking like a hobo (or Neil Young, same difference) is the new style trend for men in 2003.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't all of those pictures at least 5 years old?
he looks more like this now:
http://going24-7.com/pins/images2/j-jiminy.gif

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally is trying not to be reminded of his actual 2003 look.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://rarara.v21hosting.co.uk/photos/dscf0008.jpg
(yes yes i know it's been pointed out many times before but still...)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

HIS ACTUAL 2003 LOOK IS THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME. If anyone posts that goddamned Goth band picture I swear to god I'm going to stab myself in the thigh with a fork to ease the mental pain.

Seriously, who thinks this way? "Oh well, here I am, hottest man in the entire world, what shall we do about this? Right let me dress up like a cross between an even geekier Elvis Costello and Leisure Suit Larry, and then not shower for four years!"

xpost: N. DOES NOT LOOK LIKE JARVIS COCKER.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

He probably thinks that he's so hot he can afford to make himself look bad on purpose, like the hotness will seep through or something. I've seen it happen to many a hot guy - it's a crying shame.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i am SO tempted to photoshop those glasses on. taking sides: finishing work on time and not letting people down and going home before 2am vs. slight, fleeting amusement to self and select group of internet users?

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like he walked into a Hot Topic and saw on of the boys working at the register and thought "You know what? This is the look for me!".

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he taken? Men let themselves go something terrible when they're in a couple...

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This makes me want to cry:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/dnaimages/edenproject.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

No offense to the boy at the Hot Topic register, he is my dawg.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://x12.homestead.com/files/mr-rogers.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

He actually looks a lot like my mom in that one.
x-post, not that one! the jarvis cocker one.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

He was taken...by Chloe Sevigny, who I now declare worst person EVER.

Fuck it, I'll just take Anime Jarvis, I prefered him anyway.

http://www.suburbia.com.au/~anthony/Pulp/His_n_Hers.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally... You DO know that he's like 60 years old, right? I mean, he didn't have a song called "Help the Aged" for nothing.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought he was 73, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

He was taken...by Chloe Sevigny

Hey, who hasn't been? She ain't choosy.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

She's like the Winona Ryder of good bands.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved the look from 'This is Hardcore', and espcecially from the "Help the Aged" video. sort of Italo-Indie-Sleaze-Pornstar-70s-homeless kinda thing.

Also, he married to a bigtime stylist, Camille Bidault-Waddington and I think she's had their first kid.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The best Pulp video is "This is Hardcore", by far.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

That is far and away my favorite Pulp song. It's just sleazy and despondent.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember when the single was on the verge of coming out the Pulp list descriptions made it sound like some quick paced epic. The epic part was right but the slow build completely threw me for a loop.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you even have a "far and away" favorite Pulp song? I broke down and brought the Hits even though I have all the fucking songs, like a moron and I'm just like, whoa, this is easily the greatest album that ever happened. "Babies", "Razzmatazz", "Common People"? "Sorted for E's & Wizz", dude. "This is Hardcore" is such a good song but motherfuck, "Common People".

Haha I'm making a mix CD for someone and wanted to put "Something Changed" on it=I have turned emo.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I am almost overly fond of "TV Movie".

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Pulp in general doesn't do it for me. The first song I heard by them was "This Is Hardcore" (remember I spent the years that they were big basically listening to nothing but UK hardcore and trip-hop) and the only other one I've heard that's evoked similar feelings is "Common People". I don't think I've ever heard "Babies" or "Razzmatazz".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

DUDE "DISCO 2000" TRUST ME.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Dawg, you simply must check them out!

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't be hatin' on my boy Jarvis, son!!!

Actually the best "Pulp" song is "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis" by Jarvis and Barry Adamson. I take back everything I said previously. Dan, if you haven't heard that you must do so. Immediately.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"Pencil Skirt" is one of the hottest songs ever! I love how Jarvis consistently fools himself (in the lyrics at least) by conflating sexual revenge and class warfare - interestingly, his wife is about as posh as they come ("smoking your cigarettes, drinking your brandy" etc).

Also, the "Help the Aged" video just edges out the "Disco 2000" video (with "This is Hardcore" a close third).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, I'd wager that you would really like all of those songs. Dan, have you heard the "His N Hers" album?

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally OTM re. "Disco 2000"!!!

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad, ooh baby."

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad, ooh baby."

That line always reminds me of Teorema with Terence Stamp.

Pasolini: "Give me your most decadent actor!"

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm...Dan, I'm thinking it's time for a little something to be shared via the Secret Channels.

This thread is reminding me I need to get that import DVD with all the videos.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not heard _His N Hers_.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

IIRC correctly, Dan did say that he thought Pulp were retreading a lot of what the Psych Furs had done, and I actually think that's a great comparison (needless to say I lurve both bands).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to get that import DVD with all the videos

~~I would masturbate to that~~I need that too!

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

*cough*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Songs that Dan needs to hear and would be hearing right now if I could figure out how to transmit sound thru brainwaves via the Acela Express:

"Babies"
"Countdown"
"Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis"
"Ansaphone"
"Pink Glove"
"Do You Remember The First Time?"

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Jarvis is my hero.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually now that I think about it it was about Pulp that Larcole and I first had a 'you don't listen to the lyrics, do you?' moment. I think.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, the build of "Common People" is the greatest song build of all time. It starts out fairly midtempo and it's flirty--"I'll see what I can do" wink wink. It just goes on and on though, getting faster and faster like the most coked out new wave band you could find, and the faster it gets, the more pissed off Jarvis sounds until he's just spitting the words in the last verse, the sound of "common" is the same way someone would say "fuck you" and it's just like having an orgasm in a way, except really pissed off.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, seriously, how can you ignore Pulp lyrics? "If fashion is your trade, then when you're naked I guess you must be unemployed".

Whenever I read one of Gareth's really fucked up threads, the soundtrack in my head is "Sorted for E's & Wizz" incidentally.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I think you're right! I haven't thought about that in ages.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Pulp is one of the few bands whose lyrics I generally take the trouble to learn/pay attention to. But Larcole quoted some song off Different Class that didn't ring a bell, I forget which, and when I expressed ignorance she said "You used to run their mailing list!" Reminds me of the time fellow Pulp fiend Lola was explaining about the whole thematic drive of This is Hardcore and I was honestly surprised (much to her own surprise).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes, and I prefer Ally's description of "Common People" above to anything else attempted on the song kthxbye.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

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And don't forget Morrissey.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

That's the only one I don't understand.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ciao!

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― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

And finally to:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/11/23/jarvis-460x276.jpg

― James Mitchell, Monday, 24 November 2008 09:13 (sixteen years ago)

being the hottest man ever versus being a homeless man from 1976

B-Side wins again every time

― Me and Ruth Lorenzo, Rollin' in the Benzo (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 November 2008 09:18 (sixteen years ago)

I had a beard when I was 26 (briefly)

Did I look like that?

yep.

― Mark G, Monday, 24 November 2008 09:26 (sixteen years ago)

the beard actually makes him look like he has a week chin whereas we all know his chin is so square it was actually used as a template for beefburger boxes.

― jed_, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago)

He looks like my old pol sci professor now.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Monday, 24 November 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

ah, the wilderness years at last!...

― henry s, Monday, 24 November 2008 20:56 (sixteen years ago)

You can relive the glory days at the New Museum

http://daily.greencine.com/peytonjarvis.jpg

― Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 03:44 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

lol this guy's recording his new solo album with Albini.

― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

Maybe they're bonding over the Comsat Angels.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 January 2009 18:04 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

what is/are the type(s) of british people who like jarvis cocker in 2011?

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago)

Indies of a Certain Age, BBC commissioning editors

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

his last album was great iirc!

― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

I can't see how anyone can't like Jarvis Cocker tbh, especially not when British.

But then I'm not British.

― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

Britpop Nostalgists, non-Oasis Division

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

Sebastian Coe, Jo Whiley

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago)

Coe is a prick among men

― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago)

i would guess that sebastian coe would not like jarvis cocker, possibly would not know who he is

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago)

Coe is Cool Britannia Olympic Committee master dictator, assume he is fully cognizant of Jarv's important work in shilling the London Games

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago)

there doesn't feel much of a constituency here

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

he were good in that fox movie that were good

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

time was popular entertainers and gentlemen athletes would maybe share a forced handshake and the royal variety show

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzylqHGQrXM

that bit where he says "a totally bad-boy beat kicks in" made my toes curl with embarrassment so badly that i scratched the top of my feet

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago)

never saw that

i think his fans would probably be ok with him doing ads for eurostar

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago)

fans are usually okay with things, they are fans. still, a totally bad-boy beat.

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago)

i've often thought Plato was being a real nob when he said that everybody shd only do the 1 job they are best at but sometimes i think he had a point

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)

that was fred taylor iirc

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

i wonder whether there are maybe constituencies of jarvis cocker fans/apologists who were really unaware of his musical career but have responded positively to his newfound role as 'national treasure'

― Nigel Farage is a fucking hero (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago)

i have never knowingly heard a pulp track

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago)

alright i have no idea what you "lads" are talking about

― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago)

lol

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

we are discussing the noted Sheffield boulevardier and raconteur, Jarvais Cocker

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

he smelt of fish cos of his job

― interim dn (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago)

Probably poor form to mention this, amidst the zings, but having only recently got a DAB radio in the kitchen my Sunday afternoon cooking is always boosted by his Sunday Service show on 6 Music; he had an interview with Lawrence from Felt yesterday, which is as good a backdrop for chopping veg whilst the dusk creeps in as I can think of.

― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Monday, 31 October 2011 07:49 (thirteen years ago)

Of annoyingly ubiquitous meejah presences, he's fairly low down the list of figures deserving ire IMO, though those Eurostar ads are WTF levels of bad as NV says.

― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Monday, 31 October 2011 09:46 (thirteen years ago)

he smelt of fish cos of his job

yeah a friend of mine met him in a hotel after one of the V festivals, said he stunk of fish.

― Summer Slam! (Ste), Monday, 31 October 2011 09:55 (thirteen years ago)

Not a massive fan but have always liked him and his work and don't mind him promoting Eurostar, but this is as much an ad for the damn Olympics, a boring coroparate toss-fest that benefits only Lord Coe and his pals and so leaves a bad taste

― Proger, Monday, 31 October 2011 10:10 (thirteen years ago)

Somebody should "do a Jarvis Cocker" to him over those Eurostar adverts

― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 31 October 2011 10:16 (thirteen years ago)

What's a "Jarvis Cocker" ? Oh, as per MJ?

― Mark G, Monday, 31 October 2011 10:21 (thirteen years ago)

Arse out, flap hands, launch career

― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 31 October 2011 10:22 (thirteen years ago)

the bit at the end of the eurostar advert where the guy reaches down and picks up the cup of tea and everything falls away and it turns out they're on a train together is incredibly reminiscent of coming out of a k-hole

― dogs, Monday, 31 October 2011 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

I love your username!

― post, Monday, 31 October 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago)

looks like he could do with a good wash imho

― Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago)

Britpop Nostalgists, non-Oasis Division

― Agyness Dei (Noodle Vague), Monday, October 31, 2011 12:27 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahaha, this is so me

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

'apologists' gtfo with this imo

― occupy wall street 2: rummy never sleeps (darraghmac), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago)

all of us over here tbh

― encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 31 October 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

r.i.p.

― how's life, Monday, 22 December 2014 19:03 (ten years ago)

I had no *H*O*O*S* for him anyway

― I Am The Cosmos Factory (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 December 2014 19:08 (ten years ago)

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