I asked for it ... I got it ... Now I'm miserable.

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A friend of mine wrote a novel and I asked him to send it to me. (And no, it's not someone ILX.) He's a good writer, I like other stuff he's written, so I figured his first novel was a safe bet. And it's not bad ... it's just not my thing. And he didn't ask me for criticism (he, unlike me, has published stuff), but a couple of things just drive me crazy. Like, the whole book is about a guy in Paris who gets in trouble with thugs ... but the first time the thugs chase him through the streets of Paris, he cuts away before the chase even starts and then just refers to it elliptically in the next chapter. WTF? A potentially exciting action sequence, which is critical to the plot and integrates the novel's setting, and he doesn't SHOW it? So now finishing it is a chore and I'm putting it off and I figure some of y'all on here could probably relate ...

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

And in the meantime every day that passes in which I don't e-mail him to say I've finished and I loved it feels like an insult to a person I genuinely like and respect. *sigh*

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe he'll get around to showing it in flashback.

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

But as someone who's proofread/edited friends' novels before, it's totally OK for you to say "How come you didn't show the chase? Put it in!" etc

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe he'll get around to showing it in flashback.

I thought that. I also noted that the character being chased was holding a video camera and that maybe we would see the chase from the camera's point of view when he watched the tape later on. But he's watched the tape and we haven't seen the chase and after racing through eighty pages or so, EXPECTING the chase in flashback, I've come to realize that either there won't be one or, by the time there is one, it'll be too late. Even if there is one, and even if there's an intelligent reason behind his omission of the sequence in its chronological place, it's such a clumsy choice it drives me crazy and taints my appreciation of other stuff -- and there is some really good stuff. Anyway, I'm going to finish it today, I'm just procrastinating right now.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

But like I sez, your friend will probably be happy to hear your constructive criticism. Unless he's really really touchy.

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I think it would be OK to ask "Why no chase scene? Me wants a chase scene!"

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he's touchier than he lets on. And I will mention my thoughts on the chase omission but I think I need to be really careful. For one thing because I think there are only a few people whose criticism he really takes seriously (and I'm not one of them) and, for another thing, because I have a way of offering what I believe to be "constructive criticism" in ways that are often unintentionally offensive, insulting, condescending or even mean-spirited, and I don't even realize how bad I sound until I've said / sent / e-mailed it. Plus, as I said before, he didn't ask me for criticism and I'm thoe one who asked HIM if I could read his novel.

But thanks, s1utsky, I understand what you're sayin' ...

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

A potentially exciting action sequence, which is critical to the plot and integrates the novel's setting, and he doesn't SHOW it?

Has he revised it or is it a first draft? That sounds like a typical "hmm, this needs to happen, but I don't feel like actually writing it at the moment" dodge.

If you don't want it to sound even like constructive criticism, you can just say something like "Boy, that chase scene would've been cool to see, too," maybe.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Has he asked for your comments?

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Can he write such scenes? I'm inclined to think that writing a chase scene could be pretty hard to do well (one of those things that works better with visuals than words, I think), so he might have skipped it for that reason.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Tep, he's shown it to a small-press publisher who has expressed interest and suggested changes, and the draft I'm reading is the one that incorporates the changes. And I'm thinking, did the publisher think this omission was OK? Is it just me??

There are a bunch of other things that bother me and that I would criticize if my opinion had been solicited, but since it hasn't I read it picking out all the things I like and will mention when I e-mail him. I'm such a finicky and hyper-critical reader. But the chase scene omission is so huge and basic and noticeable I feel I can't not say something, even though a professional editor at a publishing firm apparently didn't ....

Can he write such scenes? I'm inclined to think that writing a chase scene could be pretty hard to do well (one of those things that works better with visuals than words, I think), so he might have skipped it for that reason.

Yeah, there are some decent action sequences later on -- it's not like he's shying away from action; it's supposed to be a suspense novel!! But the novel is written in first person and he does have a way of over-explaining or in general being too self-conscious about surprising and/or unusual choices the character makes ... which is one of those annoying things I will NOT be criticizing when I finally respond.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

There are a bunch of other things that bother me and that I would criticize if my opinion had been solicited, but since it hasn't I read it picking out all the things I like and will mention when I e-mail him. I'm such a finicky and hyper-critical reader. But the chase scene omission is so huge and basic and noticeable I feel I can't not say something, even though a professional editor at a publishing firm apparently didn't ....

Weird. Well, if he's already working with a publisher, I wouldn't mention it, or at least not make a big deal out of it. Just stick to "I liked it/didn't like it/this was my favorite part" ... unless he asks for elaboration, and you could always add, "Well, there was this one thing..."

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, yeah, Tep, that's what I'm thinking I'll do. I don't know what my deal is, wanting to force my opinion on him (and other people) when it isn't asked for. Who do I think I am? Anyway, guess I just needed to rant about it somewhere, and this seemed the place. :=)

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, if you thought it, the people he'd like to be spending money on the book who might skim the first few chapters in the store might think it, too -- so if it were me, I'd want to hear it. IS IT ME? No, wait, you said it isn't anyone on ILX.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe I should grow up to be an editor or a critic. Cuz every time I start to read or just think about my friend's novel I think of imaginative and humorous ways to tell him what I think is wrong with it -- though the more imaginative and humorous, the more insulting it would undoubtedly be. Like, this chase sequence is the first action sequence in the novel, and it's the point at which the protagonist actually becomes involved in the novel's plot. So I want to say something like, "Cutting away from that chase is like panning away from the characters in a porn movie the first time they fuck -- why would you confuse and disappoint your audience like that?" But of course I won't say that.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

*feverishly writes chase sequence into book*

*remembers book = history of music and technology*

*leaves it in anyway*

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

ha!

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, mark, can I read your book?

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

ts: he finishes his book vs hell freezes over

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

In the meantime I'm re-reading some one-side-of-one-page "tall tales" my little brother wrote involving the adventures of "Slow Sam," the slowest cowboy in the old west. *Sigh* .... 13 years old and he's a better, funnier writer than I'll ever be.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I already wrote mark's book. There's a thread on it.

David. (Cozen), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Right here's what to do.

1. Skip through the rest of the book reading the odd bit here and there and blag together an e-mail of praise. (He's your friend; that's more important than being honest.)

2. Include the following in the e-mail:

I do have a couple of constructive criticisms, but I won't pass them on to you unless you want me to.

He will ask for them. Then come up with the stuff about the chase.

You can do this by tomorrow. Weight off your back. He'll never know you didn't read it in depth.

Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 10 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought of doing that, Roderick. But a deeply ingrained "Do unto others" and fills me with horror when I even consider it -- I hate the thought of someone doing that to me. So I read a lot of it last night and will finish today. No biggie.

Although I also talked to a mutual friend of ours who has read it and also wasn't impressed. She thinks I should lay my critique on the line. She did, apparently, and their still friends. So, I dunno.

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 10 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but kindness is better than honesty. Do you realise the effect on him if you slag off the book? He will feel that weeks and weeks of his life have gone down the drain, and that his whole image of himself, which is based on his quality as a writer, has taken a torpedo to the bows. Or he may just say that you are worng. Either way, he will like you a little bit less. You aren't legally or morally bound to put the boot in. Say what you liked about the book and gloss over the things you didn't like.

As for doing as you'd like to be done to. Think of this for a minute. People sometimes say they like your hair, your clothes, whatever, right? A lot of that is social guff - the sort of thing that makes the world go round. No doubt people sometimes dislike your hair or your clothes. How would you like it if - and I'm not talking about your evil little sister here - they told you what they were thinking?

Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Burn his book in front of him and say "leave the chase out will you, motherfucker?!".

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Send him tickets to "The Matrix Reloaded" and "Bad Boys II" with a little note reading "FRANKIE SEZ MORE ACTION BOOYAH" written in blood. He'll be so dirsturbed about your mental state that he won't be hurt by your criticism.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)


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