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Classic or dud? Am I missing out on my generation's Woodstock? Should I be upset about this?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

one of the biggest DUDs of all time. I should note that I haven't been, but every thing I've ever heard about it makes me cringe.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

It gets everyone obnoxious out of town for a few days. CLASSIC.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Jenny Calendar liked it, but she turned out to be a dishonest gypsy. DUD.

Larcole (Nicole), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of the people I know that go are... Lawyers.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

People I know and like really love this and swear by it and always try to tell me how amazing an event it is, but they're all new-age hippies retards, so I'm gonna say dud, even though I personally know absolutely nothing about it and am too lazy/too hip to bother learning.

;-) (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, that was a lame statement, I should say that of the lawyers I know and love, the ones that go to burning man are the ones I like least

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I seriously know nothing about Burning Man other than lotsa hippie/neo-shamanic people I know are hella into it and go every year, and I'm torn between sharing some key interests with these people and hating being around them, so I'm guessing I'd have a pretty distinctly ambiguous love/hate appreciation for this event. I'd probably love what it's (supposed to be) about, and probably hate being around all these people behaving thusly.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

ahh the late 90s... do they still have them?

burning man : leisure activity :: dotcom : sound business model

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It's Vegas for Vegans
hahahahahahahaha

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

It just seems so haphazard and vulgar.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey everybody! Let's go out to the desert and act all freaky-like! C'mon, it'll be a hoot!"

oops (Oops), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"dude, we can buy some really great soap and maybe some bracelets"

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

If a bunch of hippies are in the desert, and there's no one to smell them, do they have a smell?

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone that's posted so far actually been to one?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one of the few times where I can't stop myself from judging something by the people who like it; the people I know and have known who go to Burning Man are among the most loathsome, flaky, obnoxious, insulated, sheltered, spoiled, and flat-out stupid people I've met (I'm talking almost exclusively about northeasterners, if there's a significant difference). It isn't possible for me to separate out my utter contempt for them from my impression of Burning Man, even if it should be. If I miss out on a big zoomy zeitgeist-a-go-go as a result, I'll live with that.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

ts: Burning Man vs Flashmobbing

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Judging from this piece on it, it doesn't seem like anything at all actually happens out there in the desert...or maybe EVERYTHING happens out there!

(ps no it doesn't)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be better if they really set dudes on fire. That would probably attract more of a NASCAR crowd, and me, of course.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The two people who I met who first clued me into it were like the coolest NYC people ever. Also, I think Douglas has just taken off to it, and I know Geeta has been before. So at least the NYers who go seem to be with it people.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought it suXoRed but then i went a few years ago and it was fantastic!

since everything dries immediately in the desert (it's like 110 degrees out during the day) nothing smells at all

so many different crowds of ppl go that you can avoid whatever people you dont like (hippies, ravers, whatever) -- not to mention there's always about 1000 things going on simultaneously so you can go to what you like and not go to what you don't like

i'm pretty anti-hippie myself

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I just can't seem to find out what actually happens out there!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the only person I know who's been (that I know of) is definitely one of the coolest NYC people I know. she's from Kansas City.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

well the kids i go with are more of the scary industrial types -- they build huge art pieces (metal sculptures, massive LED arrays, etc)

i'm going in two weeks -- i am psyched (douglas will be there again also!)

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

by huge i mean 50 - 100 feet high

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

As much as I admire and respect my fellow ilxors, I just can't seem to get past the fact that everyone I know who goes is an ignorant hypocrite. Maybe I'll have to reevaluate...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not! you'd like me spencer

i'm not sure about the CA contingent, so i can't comment on that

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I blogged this last week or so

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

as i said to geeta a few minutes ago, i can take lots of drugs in my apartment all weekend and play x-box. where exactly is the, uh, fun?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

is this like when calvin's dad tried to explain the joys of getting up at 4 am only to eat cold fish for breakfast?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

... Chris, please tell me the first comment on that blog entry is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course it's serious!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

If it's serious (it isn't really, is it? it doesn't quite go far enough to be intentionally funny, though...), that says more about my distaste for this than I ever could.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's always seemed like a total dud to me. A convention of wasted lives.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

burning man is everything that's every been wrong with the american version of "raving" with the addition of crappy "art" and hippies.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

alternately: woodstock '99 without the consoling specter of generational fascism.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

have you been jess?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't been anyone but myself (except for those two weeks in '95).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't been jess either, since i changed my name.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

much like tep, the very idea of it is enough to fufill my haterate needs.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

From my transatlantic perspective it seems to make being a hippie an incredible amount of hard and quite intense work, which is sort of contra the point IMO. I get the same feeling as I get when I see the giant metal baby head tank thing at Glastonbury (actually pretty much anything in Lost Vagueness at Glasto) - first encounter "oh thats pretty kewl", all subsequent "God, just relax and stop trying so hard"

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

... Chris, please tell me the first comment on that blog entry is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously?

Actually, that comment is from a friend of mine who goes to Burning Man every year (translation: he' s serious)

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, no offense to your friend, then. But ... as I said above.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

aw jess you old curmudgeon you!

a) like with anything else some of it is crap and some of it is really cool
b) everything gets set on fire so if you didn't like some of the art that's ok, it'll all be up in flames at the end

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep, what are you having a problem with in that statement from Chris's blog? You seem overtly disturbed and I can't figure out why.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the central question here is: would Beavis and Butthead have gone to Burning Man? On the con side, we have hippies, art, and rave music. On the plus side, there's lots of breaking stuff and fire. The jury's still out on this one, folks.

DUN NUH-NUH-NUH NUH-NUH-NUH NUH NUH NUH-NUH!


NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Not a problem, per se -- but it reads like a continuation of Chris's entry, i.e. more a litany of why NOT to go than an actual endorsement. "I feel like an artist" and "I'm starving cause this stuff costs too much"? "I'm Photoshopping my friends into a tarot deck"?

Granted, I think part of me dies any time someone says they "feel like an artist." That's me. But the rest is actually supposed to make it sound good?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I seriously had no idea it was still happening!

Is it called "Bill Graham Presents©: Mountain Dew eXtreme™'s Burning Man 2003" yet?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

HAH I didn't realize there were comments at the bottom and thought you were talking about Chris's list! I R stoopid.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

someone told me it was easy to get laid with hot but somewhat underwashed neo hippie chicks there? is this true?

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

no. not connected to that case. i regret mentioning it.

austinato (Austin), Friday, 29 August 2025 16:25 (two weeks ago)

Don’t regret it!

sarahell, Friday, 29 August 2025 17:04 (two weeks ago)

There is a notable police presence (real police, not the Black Rock Rangers, who are there to keep minor problems from turning into major ones), though not big enough to put a damper on the event (imo).

The dude who managed to set fire to the man early, in 2007, was later found with incendiary materials in Grace Cathedral in SF.
https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/burning-man-arsonist-paul-addis-backstory-murder-threats-arrests/article_6710a4f0-adc4-505b-80b2-86a5799f0276.html

nickn, Friday, 29 August 2025 20:55 (two weeks ago)

fucking pyros, man, he probably moved on to the forests after that.

rainbow calx (lukas), Friday, 29 August 2025 20:59 (two weeks ago)

Xp that’s the dude who killed himself. When he was in jail, courtesy of Larry et al. he was deprived of his psych meds.

sarahell, Friday, 29 August 2025 21:11 (two weeks ago)

attempting to burn the man early is somehow a cardinal sin at a festival of anarchy yet the gavle goat…

slowly imploding (mh), Saturday, 30 August 2025 03:47 (two weeks ago)

It's a crime there, though.

nickn, Saturday, 30 August 2025 05:14 (two weeks ago)

“festival of anarchy” sure Jan

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Saturday, 30 August 2025 11:16 (two weeks ago)

haha

she freaks, she speaks (map), Saturday, 30 August 2025 14:17 (two weeks ago)

hehe

slowly imploding (mh), Saturday, 30 August 2025 15:45 (two weeks ago)

you know what never gets the attention it deserves? the $2.7M Federal PPP Loan received by Burning Man, the $45M+ yearly revenue, & $30M in assets. also, $2.4M in salaries for executives (highest is $790K a year) which puts each of them within the top 5% of income in the country.

— Tommie Sunshine ✊ (@tommiesunshine) August 26, 2025

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Saturday, 30 August 2025 22:46 (two weeks ago)

Never thought I would be reading a Tommie Sunshine tweet about ethics in party throwing

brimstead, Saturday, 30 August 2025 22:56 (two weeks ago)

im willing to be in charge of burning man for only $780k a year

lag∞n, Saturday, 30 August 2025 23:20 (two weeks ago)

nobody gets a job by undercutting an incumbent. you’d do a slightly better job for $850k though

slowly imploding (mh), Sunday, 31 August 2025 03:23 (two weeks ago)

https://sfstandard.com/2025/08/30/burning-man-black-rock-city-ai-san-francisco/

Daksh Gupta, the 23-year-old cofounder of AI code review Greptile, said Burning Man hasn’t really been part of the zeitgeist since he moved to San Francisco in 2023.
Gupta, who has become a poster child of AI boom’s grindcore culture, summarized the current mood among young tech workers in San Francisco as incompatible with the Burner sensibility: “The current vibe is no drinking, no drugs, 9-9-6 [work from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week], lift heavy, run far, marry early, track sleep, eat steak and eggs.”
Many VCs, too, have forgone pausing their investing for the week. Daivik Goel, who is participating in the current Y Combinator batch, said he has back-to-back investor calls this week in the lead-up to Demo Day on Sept. 9.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 August 2025 23:55 (two weeks ago)

Many VCs, too, have forgone pausing their investing for the week. Daivik Goel, who is participating in the current Y Combinator batch, said he has back-to-back investor calls this week in the lead-up to Demo Day on Sept. 9.

There are at least 5 elements to this sentence that leave me completely baffled

7/10, another solid effort from the willard grant conspiracy (Matt #2), Monday, 1 September 2025 00:54 (two weeks ago)

grindcore culture? that does not mean what the writer things it means unless these AI tech yups are listening to Pig Destroyer while begging for VC money

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Monday, 1 September 2025 00:59 (two weeks ago)

First homocide of BM25, a partygoer was found this morning murdered in a pool of his blood:

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/burningman/article/man-found-dead-homicide-burning-man-21024542.php

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Monday, 1 September 2025 01:23 (two weeks ago)

Another VC in her late 20s said that apart from a handful of crypto investors, no one in her circles is on the Playa this year.

Because those folks love nothing more than to play expensive games of make-believe...

pplains, Monday, 1 September 2025 15:33 (two weeks ago)

First homocide of BM25, a partygoer was found this morning murdered in a pool of his blood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uW47jWLMiY

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 1 September 2025 17:03 (two weeks ago)

"looks like someone is practicing... radical self-exsanguination"

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 1 September 2025 17:05 (two weeks ago)

...said Burning Man hasn’t really been part of the zeitgeist since he moved to San Francisco in 2023

those were the days, man.. you should've been there

Saw a bunch of salt-encrusted vehicles with grimy bicycles on the Bay Bridge yesterday, heading back home.. they won't wash the car for a week, to make sure you know where they were

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:19 (two weeks ago)

good luck to their cars, rip to their bikes

lag∞n, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:20 (two weeks ago)

No, the bikes were covered in neon faux-fur, they should be okay

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:22 (two weeks ago)

sorry, back to that dipshit upthread: “The current vibe is no drinking, no drugs, 9-9-6 (work from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week), lift heavy, run far, marry early, track sleep, eat steak and eggs.”

I barfed in the my mouth. But thinking of all the early Whole Earth Catalog-ish dudes who got 'Silicon Valley' off the ground (Woz et al)... wonder what they would think of this monster of their own creation? "marry early, track sleep"? Where the fuck does this shit come from? or maybe that's just *his* 'current vibe

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:31 (two weeks ago)

Bill Atkinson invented Hypercard after an acid trip. Bill Gates otoh was always a square. So there's been a range. It does feel like a lot of people in the tech industry now would be just as happy at a hedge fund, that seems new.

rainbow calx (lukas), Monday, 1 September 2025 22:40 (two weeks ago)

cant work from 9 to 9 every day run far lift heavy and sleep, let alone have time for yr young spouse

lag∞n, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:43 (two weeks ago)

tho tbf he didnt say he was sleeping much just tracking it

lag∞n, Monday, 1 September 2025 22:43 (two weeks ago)

Bill Gates dropped acid at least once--he's talked about it. He said that he was sitting around thinking that a table that he was sitting at was going into his eye.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 1 September 2025 23:07 (two weeks ago)

oh wow!

rainbow calx (lukas), Monday, 1 September 2025 23:10 (two weeks ago)

Wish I didn't have to go into work until 9 a.m.

pplains, Monday, 1 September 2025 23:51 (two weeks ago)

would much rather be at burning man than exclusively around rich tech bore-bombs, thankfully i can choose neither.

j-bae is either driving out tonight and staying in elko or leaving early tomorrow morning. he had a great time and i'm looking forward to hearing about it. i'm glad he's fine and not murdered. i don't mind being an audience for his burner stories, although hearing the same one for the tenth time a year later can be a little trying lol.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 00:01 (one week ago)

the entire faux-straightedge work all the the time thing is still very based in biohacking and weird beliefs about human existence. I'd imagine it's still very recognizable to SV oldheads, just coming at things from a different angle than they did

slowly imploding (mh), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 14:12 (one week ago)

it's also based on amphetamines I think

rainbow calx (lukas), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 14:17 (one week ago)

it's also based on being dumbasses.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 14:25 (one week ago)

probably comes from growing up playing video games and getting a taste for minmaxing and item acquisition, then it kind of everts and now the game is the player and their body is the character

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:04 (one week ago)

i'm always gonna be a video game hater. "it makes your brain glow and they are beautiful pieces of art!!!" nah dog you're just sitting in front of another screen nursing mental illness.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:53 (one week ago)

they're less toxic to society than Freud has been

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:58 (one week ago)

theyve got mario too

lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2025 17:35 (one week ago)

Info on the murder out there.

Burning Man Project has confirmed that the deceased participant has been identified as Vadim Kruglov, from Russia.
The tragic incident occurred during the Burning of the Man on the night of Saturday, August 30, 2025, near the intersection of 8:30 & I Street in Black Rock City.

The Pershing County Sheriff’s Office is treating this as a homicide.

nickn, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:15 (one week ago)

FSB assassins at Burning Man, what’s on yr ipod

sarahell, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 22:41 (one week ago)

did he fall out a window

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:34 (one week ago)

def some weirdness around this case...

in some instances he's being heralded as this BM vet who:

poured his soul into our community: building the camp, creating an art installation, always ready to help others, and being kind and responsive to everyone. His energy and contribution will forever remain part of the Burn’s history

then others (including the girl he carpooled with) that are saying that he was a first timer and he only knew a couple people there.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:45 (one week ago)

xxp
EDM, surely.

nickn, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:45 (one week ago)

wtf xp

sleeve, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:52 (one week ago)

I guess someone can be a first timer and also kind & responsive? Don't see a major contradiction there... maybe first-timers are inherently more enthusiastic than 1990's veterans

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 3 September 2025 23:59 (one week ago)

First timers can also help with art installations and setting up camps.

nickn, Thursday, 4 September 2025 00:45 (one week ago)

In fact, a good way for first timers to find people to camp with is to help an existing camp in your area with a build project months before the event.

nickn, Thursday, 4 September 2025 00:48 (one week ago)

sad stuff if he was an enthusiastic newcomer who was really pitching in. that’s the part that sounds appealing to me. also letting go of a lot of my judgment and embracing weirdos. it’s nice to do that

slowly imploding (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2025 01:34 (one week ago)

I wouldn’t have gone if I didn’t have friends who were vets. My first time I was on the documentation crew, helped with a friend’s art installation and got to drive a car on the playa … </suzy>

sarahell, Friday, 5 September 2025 01:12 (one week ago)


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