Because TV was just, like, so much better in the early nineties

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I am considering a DVD purchase in a fit of nostalgia. I can afford one option only...

1) Northern Exposure
2) My So-Called Life
3) Twin Peaks


Feel free to talk about the merrits of the above three/ lambast my taste/ anything you thought the thread was going to be about.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Twin Peaks, obviously. Then you can have parties and serve pie and coffee.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

twin peaks season 1 box set is very tasty. log lady intros for all episodes!

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Northern Exposure is currently being repeated on Paramount i think - i was never into any of these shows tho but i bet the Twin Peaks one is good.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The Twin Peaks set is only first season, and lacks the pilot, since the distribution rights to the pilot are held by a different company. Since it's only the first season, the story is incomplete (and the season ended on a deliberately over the top series of stacked cliffhangers). Second season may not ever be released on DVD, last I heard -- first season didn't sell as well as they wanted it to.

I don't remember any specifics about Northern Exposure's first season, but I remember liking it more later on.

I'd go with My So-Called Life, although it's about twice the price of Twin Peaks. But so good!

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Northern Exposure is out on DVD, if you're in the US.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Bollocks, you're right it isn't, not anywhere. (I'm in the UK).

It's not on Paramount any more either.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved Northern Exposure, but I'd vote for My So-Called Life, anyway.

I somehow never saw Twin Peaks, but should. Is the pilot out on DVD?

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The only DVD version of the pilot is a really bad bootlegged version that somehow manages to be available through official places like Amazon ... I think it's still in print on video, though.

You can follow the story without seeing the pilot, the pilot just introduces everyone more easily, and includes the actual discovery of the crime scene around which the first storyline is based. If you're going to watch the series, I'd definitely start with it if possible, but you can skip it if necessary (and, uh, if you do watch it, ignore the last few scenes. They don't actually happen.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I was actually completely lost when I watched the second episode (first after the pilot) w/o watching the pilot. Because there are so many characters involved and with their own private dramas, it's U&K to see the pilot.

I heard that Region 2 has the second season of Twin Peaks, btw.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, all available versions of the pilot episode have the European ending, which is MINDBLOWING.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Aww man, they do? (Region 2). Bastards. But this is good for Anna.

Skip the European ending! Geez. At least don't watch it until you've seen the rest of the series. It'll just confuse the hell out of you.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not on Paramount any more either.

it MIGHT actually have been ITV2!

stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep: I don't feel you dawg. As far as making sense goes, the ending establishes its parameters w/o seeming arbitrary and reasonably sticks by them. But sense be damned. The mood man, the mood! And the way the scene shifted from video to film (I watched it off K@z@@) was a revelatory experience for me.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

But a bunch of stuff happens that then didn't ... have happened ... er, you know what I mean ... in the rest of the series! And a couple of the shots/scenes are reused in completely different contexts. (Not to mention, it sort of says who the killer is, but without connecting to the way the killer is revealed, or why, in the rest of the series.)

Granted, you can make a lot of the same complaints with Fire Walk With Me, which I more or less like, so maybe those aren't the best complaints.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

MY SO CALLED LIFE!!!!!

Mandee, Monday, 11 August 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, TV wasn't better in the early '90s. It's all about the late-90s! West Wing, Buffy, Dawson's Creek, the Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart!

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I regard the Euro ending in a meta-context, knowing that Lynch filmed it as a standalone tv movie because of doubts surrounding TP as a series, which goes pretty far in soothing my geekish fetishization for continuity. The fact that the sequence gets co-opted (hehe coopted >> COOP!) into a dream framework dissipated its creepiness and surreality, though I did derive pleasure from just seeing it again because it was balls out great filmmaking.

and fwiw, I hated FWWM.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

MSCL totally sucks, don't get it.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic early 90s tv? Surely you want MST3K.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I'll concede the great filmmaking bit of the fake ending, mostly.

and fwiw, I hated FWWM.

See, see, here's where we come to a problem! :) Actually ... I have a love/hate relationship with it. I hate that it was made. I hate that Lynch, under the pressures of television making, pushed his usual "I don't care what the fans think" over the edge to "and I'm going to gleefully ignore anything they could possibly want." I honestly think that's what he did, and I think it was petty, and I think he knows it and has by and large avoided television as a result (and that it's a major factor in Frost refusing to work with him again). I hate that they did a prequel -- most of which is empty fill-in-the-blanks, the rest of which is asking-more-questions-than-it-answers -- instead of a sequel, especially after ending the series on a cliffhanger. If the X-Files had done that, there would have been riots.

I hate the fact that Lara Flynn Boyle dropped out because of the topless scene and then did a topless scene in her next movie (or the one after that, whichever the Baldwin one was).

But. I love that we see more of Laura than we had before, not despite the fact that she comes across as so shallow but because of it. I love every moment when Laura and Leland are on screen together. I love Bowie's brief, essentially meaningless appearance, and the fan speculation it's inspired. I love Chris Isaak's character, even if I think the opening scenes where we're shown just how much wherever-it-was is the Anti Twin Peaks go overboard.

And I wish I could remember my theory that explained how Fire Walk With Me actually took place after the series, but I can't.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Bowie bit was def. cool beans, but as for more of Laura... The series for me never was about her, or to put it more accurately, it was about Coop. (I mostly didn't care for every other storyline in the series.) Laura grated on me in every way Mandy didn't. Oh well, no sense in arguing over fwwm. ;0

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

my so called life for the angst
northern exposure for the whimsy
twin peaks for the put it back and get one of the other two

gareth (gareth), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

not Mandy (24 lesbians on the brane) I meant Maddy.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, I didn't even catch that :)

Anyway, potentially long comment short: it was about Coop for me, too (and Audrey, as the series went on).

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Tep,

The Region 2 (UK) release of Twin Peaks includes the pilot as well as all seven episodes of the first season. The extras on the British release are identical to the US set, although we lose the DTS track. I believe the second season is coming out early next year.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic early 90s tv? Surely you want MST3K.

WoUlD tHe MaStEr AgReE? (Yes, obv.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww man. Who's the one with the multiregion DVD player? Ned, right? Ned, can I have it when you die?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ned will never die!

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn! Foiled by immortality again.

I gotta get me one, but this DVD player's barely a year old as it is.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I'm holding onto mine, and yes, I don't plan on dying. If I do, it will be under general protest.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

what ben mott said.

I downloaded the entire second season of twin peaks and have it over, like, six or seven discs. it has swedish subtitles but I do not care.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

xp: If you have a DVD drive on your computer and *gasp* don't mind watching on it (HORROR OF CINEMATIC HORRORS) I've seen programs that'll unlock the regional coding, so you'd be set to watch it.

I have the same downloads, rjg. How I learned to say "Jag alskar dig."

Leee (Leee), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

At the moment, my DVD ROM has been replaced by a CD-writer, but I'm getting a new computer in the next month or so. Only strike against that, really, is that I usually watch movies while doing semi-mindless work on the computer -- research etc. But still, at least I'd have the option!

(I have the boxed set of videos for TP, but they're very old and very well-watched.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Anna, get My So Called Life and I can swap you it for Twin Peaks when you're done. Northern Exposure is just a big bag of OK in comparison.

Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cyberhome CH-500 is an all-region DVD player (with a software modification, I think), that retails for less than $100. Fry's has them for $69.99 online (outpost.com).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oooh, I smell a Christmas present.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

What is up with the So Called Life love? I haven't watched the show in years but from what I remember I can't see how anyone over the age of 16 would enjoy it. I didn't even like it back then. It was very humourless, angsty teen drama.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

See, what I've found is what played as humorless back then plays as humor-about-angst-whether-intentional-or-not now, which is what I liked about Dawson's Creek when I liked it, and Felicity on a good day. The writing was nearly always good, regardless of where they were aiming, and Jared Leto and Claire Danes -- oh, and what's her name, the friend, she was in People Under the Stairs and that Seinfeld-on-the-west-coast thing -- were excellent.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

What, no Picket Fences??

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Between Northern Exposure and Twin Peaks, the Wacky Northwest is pretty much covered. (I liked PF better than NE, granted.)

What about KEY WEST?

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, my vote would be for Simpsons season two, or Buffy season three or four. But you didn't ask that, so...

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Twin Peaks by a mile, if you can get the proper pilot as well.

Thinking outside the box: The Day Today.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say The Day Today as well, but they haven't released that on DVD. It's currently only available as a pair of VHS's.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

my so-called life by a mile! but only cos i'm pretty sure dan's got twin peaks, but i don't know anyone with my so-called life.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

other good early 90's tv, that aren't necessarily available on DVD(yet):

ben stiller show
SNL until 1994
duckman
gilbert gottfried's host segments on "USA Up All Night"

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Twin Peaks is somewhat overrated, mainly because it was so new and radical back when it was first aired. I tried to watch it again a couple of years ago when the Finnish TV had a rerun of it, and I got the feeling that time has passed it. Don't get me wrong, I still liked it, but I think it would've perhaps been better if it would've followed David Lynch's original idea, which was to make a focus on the quirky characters, not the murder mystery. Once the mystery was solved, Twin Peaks lost it's drive, and murder mysteries also don't favour repeated viewings.

Northern Exposure, on the other hand, was a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful series. Probably the best long-running TV show alongside The Simpsons. It did get somewhat worse after Rob Morrow left, but luckily it didn't continue for long after that. The Finnish TV had a rerun of Northern Exposure as well, but sadly that was on Friday evenings when people have better things to do than watch the telly, so I missed it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

my so-called life by a mile! but only cos i'm pretty sure dan's got twin peaks, but i don't know anyone with my so-called life.

not "only", actually; admittedly i've not seen much of twin peaks, but it think my so-called life's better.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

also i was thinking about my so-called life yesterday, specifically the one where the geeky boy (brian? i haven't seen it since i secretly watched it on my black and white tv in my room after school a decade ago) had that girl hitting on him but then he rejected her cos... oh, it was all so sad. sniff.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Twin Peaks lost its drive shortly after the murder mystery simply because Lynch left, and didn't really give anyone liberty to make major changes to the characters while he was gone (hence the introduction of new characters and the playing up of minor ones) -- then he poked his head in, the last arc started, the writers had fun with that, and he came back for the last episode and undid everything they'd done.

If Lynch had had his way, though, the murder mystery would still be there ... it just wouldn't have ever been solved.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, and Twin Peaks would've been all about the characters, while the murder mystery would've faded to the background.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know. Has Lynch done much that was character-oriented, really, rather than idea-oriented? (Blue Velvet springs to mind, especially in comparison to other work.) I'm not sure if he would've let it fade or would've kept focusing on the quest aspect ... I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but it's basically a matter of taking most of Mark Frost out of the equation, and I think he contributed a lot of the good stuff. It wouldn't even necessarily have floundered if the writers hadn't given Lynch so much leeway while he was off doing Wild at Heart.

Now, if he'd done a lot more stuff like the last episode ... damn, that would have been nice. If only they could lose five episodes in the middle of season two and add an extra five to the end.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Mark Frost was equally important, but he's also the one who wanted the murder mystery solved. Lynch's work isn't character-oriented, but I wouldn't treat Twin Peaks as typical Lynch work, since it wasn't his sole creation anyway. However, I think that Lynch's original idea of never solving the mystery would've been great, because that would've given the Twin Peaks writers more room to maneuver. Twin Peaks the Murder Mystery would've worked fine as a film, but Lynch did that better with Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive anyway.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, speculation schmeculation. Northern Exposure was the essential small-town-with-quirky-inhabitants series, who needs Twin Peaks anyway?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

So, where are we on "Destroy: quirky" again? I though the ILX Labs were getting some good work done there.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't the faintest idea about what you just said.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think watching MSCL again would have approximately the same effect on me as reading my old diaries. Cringing and weeping alternately.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

So when and where are episodes of The State gonna be available on DVD? 'Twas hella classic!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that Lynch's original idea of never solving the mystery would've been great, because that would've given the Twin Peaks writers more room to maneuver

It's hard for me to decide, just cause it would've changed so much of the last bits of that arc and the final arc (notice me trying not to spoil :)). Mostly I'd worry that the series would've been cancelled with even less closure, is the thing. It might work now, though.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

From the State website:

5.12.2003 STATE DVD IN THE WORKS!!
Finally, at long last, the members of The State are working in conjunction with MTV Home Video to make the ultimate, REAL, DVD collection of The State. We going back to the original master tapes and loading it with great extras too, including commentary, interviews, unaired material, etc. Save your money! Stop buying bootlegs! We don't know when exactly this new DVD will be released, but the second we do it will be posted here, and on the stellacomedy.com mailing list.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

STATION!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

++Twin Peaks the Murder Mystery would've worked fine as a film, but Lynch did that better with Lost Highway.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAHHAno

kephm, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that was an interestingly put and well-argued opinion.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
TP was never meant to be a murder mystery with a tidy little solution at the end, was it?

kephm, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Ive been re-watching NE for the past couple of weeks on video. I can not get enough of it

kephm, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

lost highway was total rubbish

kephm, Thursday, 4 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oooh, I smell a Christmas present.

-- Tep

Now there's a thought. Toby to thread.

(The thread title was always meant to read in a Claire Danes style voice over)

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 4 December 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

my so-called life by a mile! but only cos i'm pretty sure dan's got twin peaks, but i don't know anyone with my so-called life.

You may not be surprised to learn that I have the MSCL box set.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

sHockah!

kephm, Thursday, 4 December 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)


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