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'Who, if we cried out, would hear us amongst the angelic order?' (Rilke)

As of today the much-loved, much-linked, huge and ever-expanding Momus website is down and dead. This wasn't unexpected, as a huge unpaid bill had been mounting to unscalable proportions for some time. Some deus ex machina or web-squatter's curfew aside, it looks unlikely that the Momus site at its demonic address will ever be re-instated.

My site has been online since 1995, stimulating and titillating with essays, photos and multimedia. Like Tom and other ilX people, I've provided content free of charge as a labour of love. If anyone can suggest a mirror site or a server with 100 MB free for low to no fee, speak now!

Nick Currie (Momus !), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a shame. I liked reading your essays and looking at your snapshots.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(I think an ILXor mentioned having a spare server at some point but I can't remember who.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Awp. I loved your website, Nick.

J (Jay), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

demon is horribly overpriced for what it is -- you can register a domain name for a year for about 20 bucks and then spend $150 for a year's worth of hosting, and you'd get much more than 100MB as well (i use hostica.com, which i find to be fairly reasonable)

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

alternate strategy: do a 'stars forever II' to cover the bill, except charge $100 per song and release it as an mp3 album on yr website when it goes back up

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm *very* sorry to hear it. It's been a marvelous website, always lots of great content. I send people over all the time.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Suck. :-( I was just looking to see if there would be some Seattle photos too! I know server space has indeed been mentioned, so hopefully someone could step forward.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this VJ-Day related?

(joking aside, I hope this site is up again right quick)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been lagging on providing Seattle photos. I can post them in the mean time.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Start a weblog in the meantime Momus!

My sympathies re. hosting bills - I suspect Demon are a rip-off though so some good will come of this when you find another host.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I just linked to it today from my website, and was wondering why it wasn't working. D'oh!

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this is too bad

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

these are a couple that are less than $100/yr for hosting AND domain name with like 20 GB bandwidth. some of the best (reliable) deals i've seen....
http://www.icdsoft.com/
(only $65/yr but slower servers since they're in hong kong)

http://www.ipowerweb.com/
(seems good, plus i think you can double bandwidth by just buying 2 accounts which is less that those shitty folks who start adding on $25/GB or whatever)

love,
the folk hero of html

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Harken to Lolita! She has wisdom on this, being a v. good web designer and maintainer of her own site.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

im sorry to see this go

have you tried http://www.ghoulnet.co.uk

gareth (gareth), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(Nick, that's what Ed uses, go for it)

suzy (suzy), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

:-(

momus, have you thought of setting up a paypal account? it's really a shame to see this go down permanently.

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't checked the others so I'm not sure whether this one's necessarily better than them, but I use CommuniTech.

joopy, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:19 (twenty-two years ago)

You can't set up a paypal account if you don't have a website.

I'm sorry, Momus. I feel your pain. My old site only recently stopped giving me the "not authorized to view this page" message and went completely dead and gone.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I moved to qwk.net, where I get 500MB of space and 10G of bandwidth for $15 a month.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I've found ehosting.co.uk or .com (formally known as zenithtech) to be cheap and realiable at 5 quid a quarter.
What kind of bandwidth requirements does your site have Nick? I need to know that before offering to mirror, but at the moment I do ahve the disk space to spare.

Adrian Simmons, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

what a sad day :-(
Nick, I am looking forward to have your site back somewhere else soon.
We need it badly....

Michael, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Momus, I'd be happy to contribute some web space to you.... I can easily provide 1 GB webspace, and it shouldn't be any problem to map your own hostname to my server (But "memeticcandiru" should be sufficiently momusesque!).

Drop me a line if interested.

It's the least I can do for a fellow who has cracked me up so many times!

Daniel Swan, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

aw, that's sad, i liked that site a lot. good luck.

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

your site had the single best 11-9 picture, so I hope one day it comes back.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you so much, it seems the angels really do listen when we cry out, and swoop down to help in the form of Swans. Thanks in profusion to everyone, but particularly to Daniel. I've mailed you.

Nick Currie (Momus !), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

That's really freaked me out. A virtual death is a death nonetheless and there's a Momus-sized hole in my daily online explorations. The Momus site was always my first portal of call.

Itchyfinger, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to suggest the ridiculously reasonably priced 1dollarhosting.com (which really is only a buck a month after a one-time setup fee), but I assume you've already found server space elsewhere.

If you need a cheap domain name, I use www.namesecure.com. They charge $15/year for one year but the price slides to only $9.90/year if you buy 10 years. Too bad somebody else already has www.momus.com, though.

So hurry up, already. I'm jonesing for the next essay and "pic of the day."

James Dawson, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, you're more than welcome to host your site here on the wh3rd box. There's plenty of space.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, is your site at least backed up/mirrored on your laptop? I figure it is, but I wanted to be sure. Otherwise, that would be really sad. :( (I've been there)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I have the whole site on my hard disk. It's easy to upload it anywhere. The pages refer to each other without any server-specific details.

Andrew, that's a kind offer. I haven't yet heard back from Daniel, who made a similar offer. My concerns are:

1. It should be free for me and for the public.
2. Permanence. I want it still to be there in ten years.
3. Freedom from censorship, advertising, editorial pressure, moral pressure, etc.
4. FTP access by me. I do all the coding, uploading etc myself. I'm very low maintainance. In fact, no maintainance!
5. Size. I'd need about 500 MB, I reckon. Although Daniel's offer of a gig was nice! Would encourage me to put a lot more mp3s up.
6. Bandwidth. It should be able to handle multimedia files and about 1000 hits a day.
7. Aliasing. I want to buy a domain name and have the address be 'www.whatever.com'.
8. Redirection. I'd like to set up a redirect from www.demon.co.uk/momus to the new site, but maybe this is a service I need to buy from Demon, which will be problematic if I owe them a ton of money (and they just e mailed me today, and I do. A ton. Bridges burned, then.)

Any advice on these points, anyone?

Nick Currie (Momus !), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't have much to offer, nick, but the paypal idea certainly seems like a good start

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, I got your email, and relied immediately... I will dig it up again and repost here.

Daniel Swan, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, looking forward to the site being alive and kicking soon at its new home....where-ever that will be. It's pretty cool, and would hate to see it go to mothball heaven.

Was going to suggest that you look into V3 com, and click on "Web Hosting". However, they only go up to 300 MB, though they do give FTP access.

Onward.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i've got adequate server space, and i'm dirt cheap - mail me for more details

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

1. It should be free for me and for the public.

for the public yes, for you - possibly ;)


2. Permanence. I want it still to be there in ten years.

is fairly secure as its a dedicated unit that i pay for. and seeing as i now can't live without one i would endeavour to secure another one very quickly should anything ever happen to my current providers

3. Freedom from censorship, advertising, editorial pressure, moral pressure, etc.

no problem


4. FTP access by me. I do all the coding, uploading etc myself. I'm very low maintainance. In fact, no maintainance!

no problem


5. Size. I'd need about 500 MB, I reckon. Although Daniel's offer of a gig was nice! Would encourage me to put a lot more mp3s up.

can meet this


6. Bandwidth. It should be able to handle multimedia files and about 1000 hits a day.

gigs a day not a problem so should be fine


7. Aliasing. I want to buy a domain name and have the address be 'www.whatever.com'.

np


8. Redirection. I'd like to set up a redirect from www.demon.co.uk/momus to the new site, but maybe this is a service I need to buy from Demon, which will be problematic if I owe them a ton of money (and they just e mailed me today, and I do. A ton. Bridges burned, then.)

yes this ball is in Demon's court sadly - but i'm sure something could be worked out with them


stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's a copy of the email I just sent you...

I'm going to make this a bit less verbose that my original reply, so I can
get it off to you quickly...

> Do you host it yourself at home on your own server,

A PC Server, in my own home, hooked up via DSL connexion. It's got mirrored
hard drives, it backs up nightly to DLT tape drive, and also backs up to a
TSM backup server, allowing point-in time restores. This ensures data is
protected from both physical failure, as well as butterfingers. I lost a
lot of work once, and take pains to ensure it won't happen again.

I update my DNS records automatically several times a day with No-ip.com,
and I keep spare hardware handy in case of failure.

I'm a decidated unix Sysadmin concerned about security, uptime,
availability, and integrity of data. You'd have your own Lunix devel
environment as well, if you desire to play with such things.


>How's the bandwidth (I think my site gets up to 1000 hits a day,

Raw hits wouldn't be a problem in themselves, but culmulative bandwidth
could be an issue, if you're streaming a lot of multimedia. An ideal
scenario (for me) would be to host your core website on my server, and them
farm your multimedia out over a few other depots, in order to split up the
traffic. I can help arrange sites... Many of my buddies have DSL connexions, and I'm sure they'd be happy to contribute to the effort. It would be transparent to web site users.


> although obviously links to the new address will take a while to establish)?

I figure that we could have this up and running in two days, if we
coordinate well. Here's a summar of "todos" as I see them:

1) Momus registers his domain name with no-ip.com (1 hour)
2) Dan configures server to host site (4 hours)
3) Momus uploads site to server (~5 hours)
4) Dan checks site, ensures proper functioning, tweaks where needed.
5) Site goes publicly online!

> And is it likely to endure online for years?

As long as I'm around! The beauty of having your own domain name, is that
IF it should be necessary for you to move in the future, you can move in a
day, and still keep the same domain name.

> Are you sure you can spare that much space (I probably only need half that)
for what might be years? And would there be any kind of content restrictions?
(Not that I'm planning to go crazy with obscenity or multimedia or whatever.)

Easily! As mentioned, bandwidth is a bit of an issue tho, but there's
several ways we can manage that if you're flexible.

>Where are you physically located?

Calgary, alberta, Canada.

> I'm thinking of buying www.imomus.com

As you like. I assume momus.com, momus.org, and momus.porn are gone?

> Tell me more! And thanks, already! If you're in New York, we could do lunch
next week, I'm there. (If you're in San Francisco, today. If you're in London,
the week after next. Phew.)

You're a busy fellow! I'd love to stop by, but we're too far. I'm in
Kentucky at the end of this month, if that helps...


Daniel Swan, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Nick, come back to Glasgow.

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Just an added note... I've got an upper limit of 5GB up per month... I don't use a lot of that myself, but I could see that going fast if 1000 people are downloading mp3z.

This restriction is likely less than ideal for you. A commercial, no-cap solution would be far better for you, but my price is hard to beat!

I'm happy to work with you on the matter though... I'm sure some stuff can be hosted locally, and some stuff can just be distributed among a few depots. My buddies would all be glad to help out.

Daniel Swan, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

1. It should be free for me and for the public.

Not a problem, althoug a copy of Oskar would be appreciated, as I can't get one in Canada.

2. Permanence. I want it still to be there in ten years.

It'll be around as long as I am! It's best if you buy your own hostname, as it enables YOU to move to to any server you want. The hostname is just an alias, that can point to wherever you like, meaning that in the event you do need to change servers, you can do so seamlessly.

3. Freedom from censorship, advertising, editorial pressure, moral pressure, etc.

Not a problem, although I may exert moral pressure for a copy of Oskar.

4. FTP access by me. I do all the coding, uploading etc myself. I'm very low maintainance. In fact, no maintainance!

This is the way I'd visualized it, although I'd provide Sftp access, instead of ftp. Works much the same, but more secure for you and I.

5. Size. I'd need about 500 MB, I reckon. Although Daniel's offer of a gig was nice! Would encourage me to put a lot more mp3s up.

Not a prob. Truly, I've got tons of free space... Past a certain point, bandwidth could become a bottleneck, and in that case, I'd want to move the MP3z to offsite depots, which I'd arrange foryou.

6. Bandwidth. It should be able to handle multimedia files and about 1000 hits a day.

Hits not a problem... Bandwitdth not a problem, to a point.. See above.


7. Aliasing. I want to buy a domain name and have the address be 'www.whatever.com'.

Easy. Even multiple aliases can point to the same site.

8. Redirection. I'd like to set up a redirect from www.demon.co.uk/momus to the new site, but maybe this is a service I need to buy from Demon, which will be problematic if I owe them a ton of money (and they just e mailed me today, and I do. A ton. Bridges burned, then.)

Dunno about that one... See my post above.

Daniel Swan, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, I've sent you an email.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a regular visitor to your site, Nick, and like others I hope and pray it's back up and running at a new address in the not too distant future.

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 14 August 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Somehow, I feel partly responsible for all this.

Satan, Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't be so hard on yourself, little buddy.

Jesus (Chris Piuma), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

this is funny. the almost bidding war.

go back to paisley, nick.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll PAY Momus to host his site!

(not really)

Itchyfinger, Thursday, 14 August 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i hope momus's site comes back up, if for no other reason than to see the momus-as-cornholio picture again.

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 14 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

sort out a new site.

details only given to you by return e-mail.

or you can try simply names and get 250mb for around £100 pounds with name.

Graham

Graham CopeKoga, Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry last e-mail is missing some text.

I can give you 100mbs for six months until things get sorted out.


Graham.

Graham CopeKoga, Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

But for some reason Momus specifies:

1. It should be free for me and for the public.

Free for the public I get & am cheered by, but I don't understand why the rest of us who have websites should pay for ours while Momus's must necessarily cost him nothing.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Was he implying that everyone else should have to pay for theirs, though?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

someone has to pay. is it you, ned raggett?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Not unless you've unravled a money fountain to help all the poor ISPs that will lose business from such a notion.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, people who don't want to pay for web space could do the geocities thing now, but i highly doubt all those annoying ticks and ads will be tolerated for more than, oh, 7 minutes.. neverminding the bandwidth and space restrictions.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ISPAID

http://www.savoy-truffle.de/dylan/bilder/usaforafrica.jpg

There comes a time when we heed a certain call.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(Unless Momus meant "free for now, because I'm shit broke, HELP!".)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha. "IS PAID"

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Plenty of people have their web sites hosted for free. You guys are taking advantage of such a situation right now. (ilx) Why should Momus be exempted from this generosity?

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 15 August 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Somebody give the man an internet hub for God's sake!

maria b (maria b), Friday, 15 August 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, really, J0hn, I'll bet someone would host your website for free. (I would, but I'm not really set up to do that...)

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 15 August 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(Incidentally, I was asking more out of interest in the way M. phrased it than out of my usual Momanimosity. I'm sure somebody would host LPTJ for free, but why should they? It's me yammering on about stuff, I don't mind paying for it, yearly fees are quite low and it's not like we're hosting movies or anything huge & bandwidth-eating.]

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 15 August 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

awl, I didn't get to finish reading all the essays.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 15 August 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

'tis true that one of Nick's flights between Japan/Newyork/Paris/Berlin would pay for about 2-3 years of good quality webhosting...
But with so many willing offers, free might be tempting.


Adrian Simmons, Saturday, 16 August 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

The Momus website will shortly re-appear as

(drumroll)

www.imomus.com

The blackout is over! To all the angels, samaritans and bystanders, I have just one thing to say: 'Let me entertain you!' No sleep till HTMLmersmith! We will rock you! etc.

Nick Currie (Momus !), Saturday, 16 August 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you going to design the logo iPod style, then?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 August 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That's good news, Nick!

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 16 August 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

oil's well that ends well

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 16 August 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I just saw this and had to pass it along, although I'm sure that someone here has discovered it already.

From Grant Morrison's homepage http://www.grant-morrison.com/links.htm:

"www.demon.co.uk/momus/ - Brilliant insight from Nick Currie, my favourite songwriter and cultural commentator"


J (Jay), Saturday, 16 August 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

um, you may have to eliminate the colon from the end of that link. sorry.

J (Jay), Saturday, 16 August 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing wrong with taking advantage of being in a circle of friends to get a service for free. Claiming that a service that normally costs a nominal fee for everyone else "should be free for me just because" is something different... I think Momus meant the former, albeit worded a little strangely.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 16 August 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

cash, grass, ass, or months-of-humiliating-badgering-only-to-being-given-some-shoddy-piece-of-half-assed-work-reluctantly... no ones rides for free

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Sunday, 17 August 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

And it's up! With a nice little feature about the blackout.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

um, you may have to eliminate the colon from the end of that link. sorry.

Things you never want to hear from your butcher, part XII

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Things you never want to hear from your lover, part XXIIII

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 18 August 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Things you never want to hear from your lover's butcher, part I.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, I didn't know what the story was on Momus's site being down until I just checked ilx. At which point I discovered the new web address. And now I am happy again. There was a website sized hole where my heart once was.

J-Morrison has mentioned being a momus fan in interviews before, as well. I wonder if they've ever met and what they might have talked about.

-Rosh

Roshan A, Sunday, 24 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

whats the new address ?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 24 August 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.imomus.com

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 August 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank Christ! After ages of trying to get onto the old site I got this idea that Nick must have died and we'd have no way of knowing about it save an insulting obituary in the NME. You do like getting into overwhelming debt, don't ya? ;)

Baka, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)


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