The dawn of a new era for ILX: the first (and maybe only) south-east london FAP (for Tim 'I don't wanna do a thread evah' Hopkins)

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So today we had Tom excluding many of us (see Martin's angry rant on today's London FAP thread) from drinking with him and his London ILX mafia buddies and N. blowing people off in the Glasgow FAP thread (why am I not surprised).

This is the thread where the good people from South-east London show the rest of ILX how its done.

It looks like Sam, matt DC, tim and me are going to do some heavy drinking in the MONTAGUE ARMS (''it's in that hinterland between
Peckham ad New Cross, on the Queen's Road there'' sez Tim). Tim sez there are other options too round Peckham Rye but Montague arms is one of the great pubs in London (I nearly saw an argentinian noise band there). I'll also try and drag Bob snoom along.

Tim also asks: ''and should we (i.e. one of you because you know I
> don't) start an ILE thread on this to give those
> weirdos who live in bizarre bits of Lonon (that is to
> say not SE) to attend if they want?''

Look you all: we don't really give a fuck, but if you wanna come along then, well, OK.

This is the thread where we decide where and when exactly?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll only come if you all come to Joyce's in Park Royal for the NW London FAP scheduled for sometime next year (possibly)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I might make this.

― Andrew of Brockley (Andrew L), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Sam's away for a couple of weeks from this weekend so we may have to postpone the South East festivities.

I didn't know you had the good sense to live in London's Golden Quarter, Andrew. Well done!

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sath Landan damage. Reprazent.

― Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Note to non-SE Londoners, this is, according to Tim H, the official worst pub in London.

Which is a rubbish advert for SE London but a brilliant advert for the pub itself, it must be said.

I would like to go on whichever night of the week it is at its dirtiest... karaoke, private parties, pub quizzes that we will walk to the annoyance of locals, that sort of thing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Never mind private parties, we're talking coach parties.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't know Argentinian noise bands were so popular, Tim.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Well you don't hang around in the hinterland between Peckham and New Cross enough then.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the Millwall supporters see, "Nobody loves us, cos we like abstract noise modifications of iterative multi-level quantization via seismic substrate analysis."

― Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, what on earth is any tourist party worth its salt doing hanging round the hinterland between Peckham and New Cross?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

extreme tourism: it's this thing

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

It says "coach parties welcome" on the outside. The last time I was there, there was a coachload of Dutch teenagers, presumably being taken to yer real actual London pub as a treat at the end of a trip to London (i.e. on the way back towards Kent and the ferry). Happily they arrived just after I'd got to the bar.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Saw a coach party stop and disembark outside Croydon Clocktower the other day. They cross the road and then get on a bus... to Streatham.

And the coach itself came from... Sevenoaks.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

WBS that was a flash mob.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

''Sam's away for a couple of weeks from this weekend so we may have to postpone the South East festivities.''

OK we can do this in early september. but it must be done.

I had forgotten andrew L lives in SE london. so that's six ppl. excellent.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Queen's Road gives me fear. But I will be there. Thanks for postponing!

This pub cannot be worse than the Castle on the Walworth road.

― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Aargh! As an SW Londoner, Peckham is as far away from me as Clerkenwell!

Can't I persuade you instead of the merits of the Sun and Doves in Camberwell (only the other end of the 45 bus ride from me)? At the Denmark Hill end of Coldharbour Lane, round the back of KC Hosp.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello, the Montague Arms is maybe a ten minute bus ride direct from Camberwell Green (36, 172, various others).

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the idea was that we also do a NW, NE and SW FAP as well, possibly over a period of a few months.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

kensal green. clapton. there already was a sw fap in clapham(!) once

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

There is no good pub in Kensal Green, surely (and don't say Paradise, that is a bar all of the way)

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

kensal green. clapton. there already was a sw fap in clapham(!) once

This is going to turn into a tour of some of the worst places in London, isn't it?

I want to go to this Hollybush that people keep telling me about.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

WIMPY FAP! In the no-man's land between Ealing and West Ealing, this October!

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the one on Broadway? i've been there a few times this year already :)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah! I only just noticed it the other day! Me and my friend thought it was a new place.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

7 ppl, as I live in Blackheath, innit.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

its growing.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

OH, and I might potter along too. I can get the 312 from the heart of Croydon to 'Peckham' (says it on the front in any case), or get a train to Peckham too (either Peckham Rye or Queens Road Peckham, dunno the difference).

'cept the trains give me fear, so bus it may well be.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim, thank you, I'm on my 2nd stint Sarf of the river, tho' I must admit my heart was kind of stolen by Acton (please don't excommunicate me from the 'Society of the Golden Quarter', I've paid my dues!)

Isn't the Pinefox 'down our way' too?

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

blimey this is going to be a major sausage party ;)

are there no girls SOTR?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the Yorkie of London.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I had no idea Dave B lived in Blackheath. So do I.

Fancy a Blackheath pint, anyone?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt - whereabouts? I am near the Sun in the Sands roundabout. About 20 yards away in fact. Nearest boozer is the British Oak, which has darts, bar billiards, a telly, strange caricatures of the regulars and a strange two-half arrangement with no way between the two halves of the pub.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The women of ILE only live in the more refined parts of London.

(i.e sorry lads, but I lived in New Cross for a year and not even God and all his angels could persuade me to go back there.)

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I spent all my london life is south london until December, and I wouldn't go back! walthamstow compared to camberwell and Brixton? no contest.

― Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

The Hollybush? Surely not the grim, regulars-transfixed-by-racing-channel boozer in Crystal Palace? You'd be better off knocking back half a litre of wood glue in the hardware store opposite.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Isabel wuvs South London, not sure about this South East malarkey though.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Waterloo is in SE London => SE London = Belgium

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

You are all mad. There are parks a-plenty, and lotsa ways to get into C. London using buses and trains. I can get 6 different routes to work. Naturally, I use the same one, but the variety is there should I feel like shaking it up at bit.

SE London - sunny days, where the air is free.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

damn fucking right!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Word. Sath Lanadan 'ground nu what up, keepin it eezee. Hatshat!

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry to hear about your hat Alex.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh... Anna, even *I* wouldn't live in New Cross, and I'm the most pro-SE person you'll ever meet. But I would rather live in Blackheath or Greenwich or any of the green leafy bits therabouts than practically anywhere else in London. So I do.

Dave - I live in the village, pretty much opposite the concert halls, if that helps.

The Hollybush is in Hampstead, if I am not mistaken.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I have never been to this British Oak, or indeed heard of it... but I refuse to believe it's better than the Dacre Arms which is the official best Proper Local in London.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you'll find that the Lord Clyde is the Best Proper Local in London, Matt.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

RIGHT I am home. The news in brief: Croatia is gorgeous. Dubrovnik is one of the most amazing cities I have ever been to. Apparently it was even better before it was bombed but hey. Karlovacko beer is nice and strong. Rakija is the local firewater and it's like a better version of grappa. You can buy it from old ladies for 2 quid a litre. The Plitvice lakes are like some sort of further-up-and-further-in storybook land. Camping (sans mattress or stove) is for fules. I am glad to be back in the ancient burg of Peckham. I have now been married for one year.

When are we having a drink?

― Sam (chirombo), Monday, 1 September 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I might be going to Dubrovnik at the beginning of October. So, erm, any time other than then :)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 1 September 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

ok I'll email bob snoom tonight with some of these FAP threads and I'll get back to you (if he doesn't post here first).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 1 September 2003 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

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Tom I think it is urgent and key to check out The Sultan down by your neck of the woods (incidentally). Has anyone been there?

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a pub that plays to its strengths - the beer. A pint here and you may well have a Damascene conversion to real ale. Two pints and you'll be talking about "hoppy aromas" and "malty flavours". It's a place harking back to pubs of the past. No sign of a TV (if there is one it wasn't on) and bar food only at lunchtimes. There's also a back bar for darts (with a photo of Andy "The Viking" Fordham next to the board).

Good Lord we're in CAMRA hell!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Hem hem did someone not read the "pints 1.50 on wednesday (aka not-eastenders day)" part of the description? Num num lovely hopback ales! Also fancyapint is notoriously WRONG so I think it's our duty to go there and provide a Proper Report Back (innit)!

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm game if anyone else is. Bring it on Chairman Mick! I will be drinking lager as per.

Not tonight though, that's organised. Much as I'd like to go boozing somewhere in real actual walking distance of my home.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm booked this week anyway but could give it a shot next week...

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Travel recommendations for Tom: Victoria (or Blackfriars) to Nunhead BR and save yourself half a mile's walk. Way back: to get to Tooting I'd be tempted to go to Queen's Road then bus it to Oval then do the Northern Line but there may be a better way involving trains, according to what time is leave.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh buggeration its miles from New Cross BR, isn't it?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Victoria to Nunhead sounds do-able - which trains go there?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn you MattDC, as soon as you posted your pox thing I HAVE STARTED A SORE THROAT! I am open-mouthed and indeed aGOG at the sheer nerve of my immune system to pack up at the mere MENTION of a pox. GOod grief. I hope this boozer isn't averse to making me a hot toddy.

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It is now half past three and I am currently looking forward to PUB.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Gah, I have someone managed to give you my disease over ILX! I think I'm fighting a losing battle with this one and will give up on the idea of making the pub tonight. I can't really speak anyway.

(Or I could just load up on paracetamol and just accept that I'm going to be too frazzled to go into work tomorrow whatever happens so what difference is a bit of ruin going to make?)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

You'll be fine with a beer or two inside you Matt.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Come on Matt, at least give me the chance to see what my pox will develop into if my addled theory is correct! I shall at the very least have a medicinal drink or two. It'll do you good!

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

''It is now half past three and I am currently looking forward to PUB.''

hmm...orange juice.

matt and starry I'm sure you'll battle through it cause you are south east londoners and that's what we do.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt my advice to you is much the same as Tom's except that I would prescribe nice large whisky-and-gingers.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Big (whisky) Mac.

I am sure whisky will be fine without the 5 or 6 pints beforehand.

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

A mere cup of tea has just worked wonders, actually.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

and it has happened.

cool of tom to venture into SE london for this.

Sam- where were you?

hope Tim berne was good andrew L.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 November 2003 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim Berne/Science Friction were mindblowing.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 20 November 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I am really sorry I missed this. I had made a plan around work and wife to come, and it all went phooey when an extra lecture was sprung on me that evening. Hope it was cool.

― Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt DC - what happened to you last night?

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 20 November 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The SE London FAP was a lot of fun. Especially when all the lights were turned off.

― Mandee (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

SE London is a bit too hardcore for me but I'm glad I went. Who's up for the visit to The Sultan then?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I dreamt that the lights went off all over London last night and all the people didn't realise whatthe stars were as they never see them too much.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

aw, I missed this.

― sgs, Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I should have called you! I am a FOOL.

― Mandee (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes I to am FULE. Sorry SGS.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

So they still do the old lock-ins down there then. How fucking cool is that? None of the usual pestering you to down your drinks... Was Lonnegan about?

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know what Doyle Lonnegan looks like so that's a hard question to answer.

This much I do know: it doesn't seem to be called McConnells!

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Cor, if I'd known there'd be rummaging in the blackness I'd have postponed my urgent date with the living room couch.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm up for the Sultan! I can do this sometime next week. I had fun last night, mmm lovely Flowers beer. I think it's for the best we didn't have lock-in fun on a school night though.

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the fact that there seemed every chance that we *could* have had a lock-in but chose instead to make our respective ways home speaks volumes for the quality of the house and also for our self-control. Well done all. NB also more people showed up than did to the bitty North London FAP in a Phonebox, or so I'm led to believe.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

we haven't had the proper NLFAP yet

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I've discovered that the last train back to Tooting Broadway is gloriously late so I might not be so chary of lock-ins next time.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

What??? No longer McConnells, that's sad news. Many's the time I've whipped all and sundry off the pool table while downing Guinness's and keeping one eye open for the darts whistling past my ear.

Lonnegan is the bad chap from The Sting, played by esteemable Robert Shaw.

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

That would be a film, yes?

My strong suspicion is that the character of the pub hasn't changed a great deal. Anyway thanks Alex it was a good recommendation, shame you couldn't make it along.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, glad the place went down well. Aye, the Sting is a film and I can't quite believe you don't know it.

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

sam- hopefully we can meet at another fap someday. same for 'sgs'

alex- thanks for the recommendation. do come along to a fap in future if you can.

so the lights went out? shame i, er missed this.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 November 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, re: Tim Berne/Science Friction - what Marcello said. You would've dug it I'm sure - next time!

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoever said going out and drinking beer would make me feel better... you LIED. I spent yesterday in bed being a snivelling wreck.

I realise that this might all look a bit suspect having suddenly disappeared leaving Dave B alone in the centre of Catford in the dead of night. Sorry mate, I had to take a lengthy unsuspected detour in order to avoid a couple of very hard looking blokes who didn't look like they were exactly on their best behaviour - when I got back you'd gone. This would never have happened if we'd stayed for the lock in, but no one would serve me when I tried.

Anyway, I had fun. Lovely pub, a good time had by all I think. If we do a SE London FAP again though, perhaps it should be somewhere a little less off the beaten track... it took be longer to get to and from the pub than it has done from pretty much every other FAP I've ever attended.

And yes, we beat the North London FAP.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone, everyone, look! Matt DC is ALIVE!

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim - Thanks for Oh Mr DC, by the way, it's great.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I've just seen my email. Yes, I am still alive.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hold on so you left Dave to fend for himself?? YOU CAD.

― Sarah (starry), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

''Julio, re: Tim Berne/Science Friction - what Marcello said. You would've dug it I'm sure - next time!''

hey andrew: that's cool. actually when you posted abt tim berne it reminded me that that the london jazz fest is going on (yes, work etc etc). Anyway, will def try and make it to ken vandermark on saturady.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt - no problems. I had to run the gauntlet of flick-kinfe carrying dogs and assorted vagrants after my lucious ass before walking home and getting to bed at 4am.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

AKA - I bought a rubbish kebab then got a cab. Tucked up in beddy-byes by 1am.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt: what would be a more convenient venue for you? Were you thinking somewhere more in the area of New Cross station? Or more Central, London Bridgey sort of place?

I should add that this place being within 15 mins walk of my house added to the joys of this FAP.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

I have just found out that Ricky Spontane who played at Carsmiles Wedding You Know played the aforesaid MONTAGUE ARMS on the 30th of November! New Cross: New Indie!

Queens Road Peckham, lubbly as it is, does not provide me with an easy pun.

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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