José Bové, classic or dud?

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I'm a little skeptical of his anti-genetically-modified-food tirades, but otherwise he seems a remarkably galvanizing and important figure. The recent rallies in France might be the high point (thus far) of his ability to bring people together and call attention to important issues (rather than to protestors' misbehavior).

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 14 August 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

His politics: dud. His smashing up McDonalds: classic. That's the verdict in my house.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 14 August 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

classic classic classic
(my very insightful contribution)

― Bruno- (Bruno-), Saturday, 16 August 2003 06:51 (twenty-three years ago)

only looks appealing for the right reasons to ppl. who don't get how he has all this french-nationalist appeal for the wrong reasons.

the french countryside was used against the progressive cities in the 18th and 19th centuries and it could be again today.

his rural support base overlaps with le pen's voting base.

bleh.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 August 2003 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

so anyone with a rural support base is inherently reactionary? should only people in cities vote?

― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 16 August 2003 07:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, that was too confrontational. But I guess I would think what could be made issue is not the fact of his rural support base (if indeed this is a fact) but the ends to which he's galvanized this support and the implications of the coalition (if indeed it's a coalition) that has come into being coincident with Bové's rise to prominence....

― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 16 August 2003 07:23 (twenty-three years ago)

i didn't just mean a rural support base but one which actually includes those who voted le pen. not just geographically same area but SAME ACTUAL FARMERS.

i.e. people find his and le pen's politics compatible and complimentary even if he doesn't.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 August 2003 07:27 (twenty-three years ago)

« people find his and le pen's politics compatible and complimentary »
I don’t think so, really.

The rural support base : actually they are a minority. In fact most of the farmers don’t support him at all precisely because of his relations with the far left.
nationalism : it’s ambiguous. the right-wind thinks he’s « Anti-France » you know.
he’s got strong relations with South American and arabic countries, and friends like Marcos or Arafat...
Actually the only think him and le pen have in common is anti-americanism
(Also, sterling i think tou’re a bit sententious and peremptory on such serious questions. and accusatory.)

― Bruno- (Bruno-), Saturday, 16 August 2003 08:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know who he is, but he's got a cool name.

― Mark C (Mark C), Saturday, 16 August 2003 09:42 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah hes praised in south america for saying France should keep up with the huge protection it gives to the farmers. dud

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Saturday, 16 August 2003 09:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"serious questions" = support france over the u.s.

not very hard to do if yr. fucking french now is it!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 August 2003 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't really see the relation between support bové and "support france over the u.s.".
by serious questions i meant to suggest that if you support bové you're automatically le penist.

― Bruno- (Bruno-), Sunday, 17 August 2003 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Not at all, that's an entirely reductivist view which presupposes that if one has a view which subscribes to one of Raft A's slew of opinions then it automatically follows that one is on their side on every score, which fails to take into account the infinite variety of human opinion. The UK "rural-support base" covers pretty much the entire political spectrum (though perhaps not the far extremes), some will support Bove's libertarian views which simultaneously clash with his economic protectionism, others will applaud his anti-americanism whilst hating his opposition to a free european economy. Y'know, what are you gonna do? Dunging McDonalds was just funny as, though.

― Matt (Matt), Sunday, 17 August 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't suscribe to this "reductivist view" Mark ! i was denouncing it. Maybe i wasn't very clear.

― Bruno- (Bruno-), Sunday, 17 August 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

and maybe I misunderstood, Bruno, in which case you have my apologies.

― Matt (Matt), Sunday, 17 August 2003 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

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