Buffy the Vampire Slayer [gah, spoilers!!]

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Hi,

My question is from "Conversations with Dead People" (I believe) when Joyce shows up in front of Dawn and says "When things are bad, Buffy won't choose you".

I'm racking my brain to find out what that means but can't. Could someone please explain what she was talking about?

Thanks,

― Joan C. Rehak, Friday, 15 August 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The first one to post a sarcastic response gets a cookie.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

*gives Tuomas a cookie*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I realized I would get that answer right after I clicked the "submit" button...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe it was "shmooze you", "shoo you", "shoot you" or "cruise you". That would make... even less sense, actually.

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It's probably either the First Evil fostering dissent or an allusion to Buffy trying to send Dawn away with Xander.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

does it matter because it turns out that's not actually Joyce anyway, it's the First (sorry if this is a spoiler for anyone)?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's in reference to the upcoming FOX series Who Wants to Marry an Out of Work Vampire Slayer?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 15 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Most obvious explanation = it's the first, lying, as bad things do every so often. There's a line I noticed in the very last episode though, where Dawn mentions choosing the wrong side because Buffy destroyed the mall, so could be a big build up for an ironic joke for anyone who remembers that episode.

― lupine lupin (lupinelupin), Saturday, 16 August 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

There was the episode where Dawn thought she was one of the Slayerettes (a "chosen one") and it turned out to be the annoying chick instead ... but I think it was just the First fucking with her.

At the time, I didn't actually think Joyce was the First -- she acted considerably differently -- but the writer confirmed that she was.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 16 August 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

But to what end was the First fucking with her? Where was the payoff?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 16 August 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Dissent in the ranks, damage to morale, screw with Dawn's head so Buffy can't rely on her ... it didn't actually pay off since the First lost, but ... wasn't the First's only real plan "wait for the cue from the writers because we have 18 episodes to fill in the middle of the season when nothing can actually happen"?

(Okay, confession, last season was an enormous disappointment for me, with a few bright spots.)

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 16 August 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was, for the most part, terribly written.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 16 August 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, exactly. Terribly planned, too, because so many of the empty (or, worse, "nothing happens except UH OH minor plot development right at the end!") episodes were obviously the result of the "no filler episodes" directive.

But it wasn't just the planning, cause even when nothing's happening there's room for good writing. Everyone was distracted by the phenomenon of ending the show, I guess.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 16 August 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

lol

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 00:26 (seventeen years ago)

the comic is like season 1 of the show all over again, writers trying to find their legs in the new medium with some nice bright spots

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 00:29 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b106789_angel_star_andy_hallett_dies_of_heart.html

― danbunny, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 00:06 (sixteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

we are so back?
https://deadline.com/2025/02/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-reboot-sarah-michelle-gellar-hulu-pilot-chloe-zhao-1236273767/

― what angers me about the smurfs these days (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 February 2025 20:00 (one year ago)

Hard Pass.

― Gukbe, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 20:14 (one year ago)

lol no one should let that director near anything that requires FX or a mythology-rich script.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 21:33 (one year ago)

you're basing that off her one Marvel film?

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 4 February 2025 21:39 (one year ago)

No one should let Marvel directors near anything... but I'll still give this a shot.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 4 February 2025 21:52 (one year ago)

I didn't like Nomadland, either, but I haaaaaaated her Marvel film. Though I'll never know if that was a bad film she made better or a bad film she made worse.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 21:55 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

Michelle Trachtenberg found dead.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/26/entertainment/michelle-trachtenberg-dead-at-39-former-gossip-girl-harriet-the-spy-star-shared-troubling-posts/

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 17:53 (one year ago)

Damn.

― peace, man, Wednesday, 26 February 2025 18:11 (one year ago)

That is unbearably sad. 39!

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 18:24 (one year ago)

ABC reported she was recovering from a liver transplant. terrible!

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 18:31 (one year ago)

Aw that's really sad, really young! She was great in Buffy.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 18:33 (one year ago)

she was great, it's amazing how much more insufferable dawn could've been in the wrong hands

― gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 19:09 (one year ago)

Great doing a soap-opera baddie in Gossip Girl too.

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 26 February 2025 19:15 (one year ago)

my wife is in the middle of a gossip girl rewatch and smack in the middle of a Georgina Sparks storyline too.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 19:31 (one year ago)

xp Georgina Sparks was easily the best character in season 1 & 2, she had so much fun with it

― triste et cassé (gyac), Wednesday, 26 February 2025 19:42 (one year ago)

aw man RIP

― brony james (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 February 2025 15:55 (one year ago)

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