Go to Ireland! Drink in pubs! Do not smoke!

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Maybe. If this passes, Ally can never visit Dublin, she'll think Bloomberg is just chasing her across the Atlantic trying to fuck with her.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 August 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

what a pain.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 17 August 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

non-smoking kilian is actually rather pleased about this ;-)

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 17 August 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally can never visit Dublin, she'll think Bloomberg is just chasing her across the Atlantic trying to fuck with her.

That would make such a great Saturday morning cartoon, though.

The girlfriend's going to Ireland next June, and I no longer regret not going with her.

― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 17 August 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Whats the smoking status in Iceland? If no one knows, then i guess i'll just have to wait till February to find out. I went to Germany in June and was blown away by the freedom they give smokers. Makes me wonder what the hell went wrong over here. There was once a time in which we smokers wrote the rules.

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I went to Germany in June and was blown away by the freedom they give smokers. Makes me wonder what the hell went wrong over here. There was once a time in which we smokers wrote the rules.

Reminds me of the first time I smoked weed in my room. My mom knocked and asked: "You're not smoking marijuana, are you?" - "Yes, how did you know?" - "I remember the smell from uni." - "Wild parties?" - "Lecture rooms."

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude is your mom my mom!?!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Sunday, 17 August 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how carefree your family was about such matters, Sommermute, that's awesome.

Why am I being dragged into this discussion unwillingly, Ned? Bloomberg will get his.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but if it's a cartoon like Tep says, he'll get his in a wacky manner with goofy music.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 August 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The Blob theme song?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Just imagine Bloomberg being goofily eaten by the Blob.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 August 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i support the ban, as i think it is wrong that someone working behind a bar should be forced to inhale stupid people's carcinogenic smoke as an occupational hazard.

― rener (rener), Monday, 18 August 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i support the bar, as i think it is wrong that someone working behind a ban should be forced to abide stupid people's intrusive legislation as an occupational hazard.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 18 August 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Rener is right really, and I smoke so it's hard to admit it. But I do think there should be smoking rooms in bars, it's a bit shit to expect people to be outside every half hour. Also in clubs it seems ridiculous, you're watching a DJ or a band and you have to leave all the time for a cigarette. Clubs are way bigger aswell, it is dead annoying thinking of having to leave for a cigarette and scurry in like an ant when you hear a song you like or something. Rather than lighting a lovely cigarette and smiling broadly when you hear a song you like.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 08:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm Backing Rener

― an pinefox, Monday, 18 August 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm backing Rener on whatever she is saying.

I think it would be great being able to come home from pubs without sore eyes and clothes that stink of other people's smoke.

my fear is though that this great new law will not be adequately enforced by our brave constabulary.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 18 August 2003 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't smoke and have never smoked (apart from dope, which I've not touched in three and a half years), but I did work in a pub for five years on-and-off, and hence became accustomed to being in smoky atmospheres. It completely didn't bother me at all, though I must admit it does a touch now. The only time it bothers me is if there's food being served nearby, but then again I also think children, mobile phones and people with loud voices should be banned from places where food is served (which excludes me from ever eating out as I have a very loud voice afert approx. 3 pints).

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 August 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there no ventilation systems in Irish pubs?

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Monday, 18 August 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the clothes argument is dud, i wouldnt wear something again i'd wore out anyway until it had been washed.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Predictably, I'm Nelsoning Irelands smokers. Hee.

― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

someone could be in their work uniform, which they have to wear the next day, smelling of pub. i'm all for this ban, i have to say.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Now Pizza Hut have banned smoking in their "restaurants". Is nothing sacred?

― gobemouche, Monday, 18 August 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

SOMEONE should bring a change of clothes. Yeah fair point. It's an interesting issue cos it isn't divided down the usual liberal/conservative lines. everyone's just sprinting down from their moral high ground. The smokers quicker than anyone I'd guess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to be a smoker & I wouldnt appreciate a pub completely banning smoking. It would be nice to have segregated areas though. i personally dont mind being in the company of smokers, but it can be awful when you are sitting next to someone who is continually blowing smoke your way. Also I don't like sitting in a pub eating when people all around are smoking.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It'll be annoying having to leave your table aswell also, do many of the people supporting this have alot of friends who smoke? It's really going to be a nuisance, especially in busy pubs.

Only advantage I can see is it might be good for lame attempts to pull. I wish someone would kill Michael McDowell.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i have friends that smoke, i guess they just wouldn't go into that specific pub, simple as that. I'd probably be expected to go into the pub where you could smoke. Having said that, more & more of my friends are quitting, which suits me.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I let people smoke in my house btw, even though we're not smokers. I don't really mind it at all to be honest. Sitting with someone who is smoking isn't as bad as a smoke filled pub, which sounds daft but you really cannot get away from it.

Also maybe the clothes smelling aspect of it, is to do with garments that you don't wash all of the time, maybe coats for example.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's a bit exaggerated too, on reflection, only some pubs are bad for getting smokey clothes, lots are fine and are well ventilated.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i was arguing with a friend about this and he said: "What will they do next? Ban DRINKING in pubs?!" I gave up after this.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Some = 95%, if you don't smoke yourself.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Even if they are well ventilated, you will still come home with your hair & clothes smelling of smoke, you cannot avoid it. It is unpleasant definitely & I hate it, but it wouldn't stop me going into a pub where smoking was allowed.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Coming home smelling of smoke is classic. I want to feel dirty and minging after a night of drinking/dancing... its a pathetic subsitute for real decadence.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

He may have been being foolish Kilian but with the way things are going who knows, considering the effect McDowell's efforts to make a name for himself have already had on my social life I'm loathe to give him credit for anything.

It's now a finable offense to be drunk, at the discretion of the Garda
involved, I don't hate the police but do you honestly believe they are a just enough organisation not to make this law a total fucking disaster.

Of course drinking won't be banned in pubs but Ireland already has ludicrously strict and archaic licensing laws and this is just more of the same.

Everyone's suddenly mighty concerned about their health despite the fact they're probably drinking till they can't see every week anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

and that drinking is a problem ten thousand times more serious in Ireland than smoking.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm also backing rener and the smoking ban. it makes sense from a work-place health and safety point of view and from a general health point of view. i was in san francisco two weeks ago and really appreciated the smoke-free pubs; your eyes don't stream, your hair and clothes aren't left stinking, and you don't have a sore throat, cough, and sinus pain the next day.

the lobbying by the vinters' association against the ban is really picking up steam but it will be interesting to see who's funding it now that they have to declare donations above 127euro (or thereabouts). despite their claims that it'll bring the four horsemen of the apocalypse on the country all opinion polls show that the vast majority of people here are in favour of the ban.

― angela (angela), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Coming home smelling of smoke is classic. I want to feel dirty and minging after a night of drinking/dancing... its a pathetic subsitute for real decadence.

you really need to practise your decadence.

― angela (angela), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING BE ORGANISED FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF SMOKERS?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Predictably, I'm Nelsoning Irelands smokers. Hee.

I do not understand this post.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(haw-haw I think that's a Simpsons ref)

Someone said before that cig smoke keeps the smell of stale beer and bodies from manifesting in bars. In any case I don't mind others' smoke in bars but hate smoking in restaurants.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's reasonable to ask for smoking rooms or smoking bars, but people who don't smoke and support this ban obviously don't really care about this or alternatively feel they can justify it by making a decision as to what's in the best interests of other people.

One should be allowed to smoke while having a drink, particularly in a country where every occasion involves alcohol/bars/pubs. If this means separate rooms/bars have to be provided then fair enough. Also of course people who don't smoke are going to support such strong legislation cos it has no negative effect on their lives whatsoever, but it's not as though they were crying out for it before it was proposed.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Real decadence = a streak of dried blood down the cheek, starting from the eyeball, from when you snorted something you were too impatient to grind sufficiently

― dave q, Monday, 18 August 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

ronan, the people who don't smoke have had to put up with the negative effects of smoking on their lives to date. i love how the vintner's association have started talking about the ban in terms of giving people a choice, they never gave a fuck about giving non-smokers a choice.

― angela (angela), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

yes but be that as it may two wrongs don't make a right.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I think alot of people who smoke are constantly apologetic about it, none of my friends are too harsh about smoking thank god. It's interesting also, how many of the people saying smoking should be banned in pubs/restaurants would advocate cannabis legalisation?

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Angela, do you drive? What if non-drivers proposed a law banning car use because of the emissions and the danger to pedestrians?

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 18 August 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i wouldn't object. i reckon the manufacture and use of cars is the main form of pollution in the world.

― angela (angela), Monday, 18 August 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, and a lot of people who smoke just seem to have no idea how unpleasant it is for the rest of us. Until they give up, usually.

― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 18 August 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes i feel the pro-smoking argument is akin to that quote about how "i should be able to drive my Corvette (even tho it eats way more fuel than a more conventional, economical car), this is America!" - it is wrong to deny people their right to smoke if they so choose - and it can't be THAT common statistically as a fire hazard, but there's that old NHS treatment problem for them in later life, taking quite a chunk out of the taxpayer. I think people are more worried about passive smoking lawsuits though right?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 18 August 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That's def true Mark! You cannot be especially considerate with smoking if you smoke, as you really don't realise how bad it can be.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 August 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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Ta = thanks
Ta ta = goodbye
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― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Ta = thanks
Ta ta = goodbye
Tata = Indian industrial conglomerate

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Tatatata = ?

― the finefox, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Pear

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I fear that was too obscure.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like Tata trucks.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Tatanic.

― the finefox, Friday, 9 April 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Tata trucks the Irish for TONKA trucks?

― the tatfox, Saturday, 10 April 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

non-smoking pubs = such bullshit it hurts

― g-kit (g-kit), Saturday, 10 April 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not just give up smoking? Everyone'll be happier in the long run.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 10 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

And it'll be longer.

The run.

― the finefox, Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a Tata truck.

http://img37.photobucket.com/albums/v115/nickdastoor/decorativetatatruck.jpg

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

So, not Tonka, then.

― the tatfox, Saturday, 10 April 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that Ann Widdecombe in N's picture upthread?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 10 April 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I told you — it's a Tata truck.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

*round of applause*

I wish the run didn't seem as long and as daunting. What fool wants to live forever?

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It will get more daunting, I fear.

Perhaps we just won't care by then.

― the finefox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The word on the street is that the all-natural odour of non-smoking pubs does not universally live up to everyone's expectations.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Based on our experience in New York, it takes some six months for the mildew/stale beer/b.o. stench to either disappate or work its way so solidly into your palate that it becomes less noticable.

― Dickerson Pike (Dickerson Pike), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

rat poison is an enchanting musk.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate non smoking pubs. HATE

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate non smoking pubs. HATE!

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

if i could give up smoking i would

― CAss (CAss), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard that Irish pubs now smell of the toilets.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

BELIEVE

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you Roy Keane?

― the finefox, Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Sadly not.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The toilet smell rumour is absolutely true. I'm glad that non-smokers are finding the whole experience miserable too.

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Me too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

We're not.

We're happy for you.

― the finefox, Friday, 23 April 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad that non-smokers are finding the whole experience miserable too.

I'm not finding it that miserable. Toilet smells are nicer than smokey smells.

some pubs smell of things other than toilets. They are always things that sound very unpleasant, but are nicer than smoke.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

See?

― the bellefox, Friday, 23 April 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Judging by the smell in pubs most Irish people don't actually change their clothes after a night out. So I guess I was wrong upthread to assume.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

sure why would I be changing my clothes now there's no smoke in the pub? Not that I ever did before, wheh wheh wheh.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 23 April 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've noticed.

― the finefox, Friday, 23 April 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

what did people think of fibbers' brief stand against the ban? useful publicity stunt, yes?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 18 July 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Ireland -- too wealthy for pubs. (It's in the Washington Post, it must be true.)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 April 2008 16:20 (seventeen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Revive!

I'm probably going to be in Ireland late October/early November and will have a week free to run around.... suggestions?

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 03:37 (six years ago)

i mean...the whole of ireland or have you any particular fixed items we can hang ideas off've

― godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:32 (six years ago)

Legend has it, on the feast day of the saint (24th of July) pilgrims would crawl under the stone as a cure for arthritis. However the mythical tale also warned that the stone should not be approached by the unworthy as they risked getting stuck and trapped for their sins.

a lot of Irish holy relic tourist attractions seem to need you to do a risk assessment before approaching them!

― calzino, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:38 (six years ago)

in case you are interested that is St Declan's Stone, it's no Rock Of Cashel type draw by the sound of it but I might be tempted to see if it fixes knackered ankles as well as arthritis.

― calzino, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:45 (six years ago)

GO: to Clonmacnoise if you’re in my neck of the woods
EAT: a spice bag, fresh fish if you’re out wesht
DRINK: a pint of plain/red lemonade

But seriously, give us more detail!

― govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:05 (six years ago)

GO: to the giants causeway and the bushmills tour if you're up north
EAT: irish stew imo, we do good comfort grub
DRINK: whiskey

― godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:09 (six years ago)

GO: enjoy the eerie ambience of a Tuesday evening in Borris-in-Ossiry
EAT: a bag of curry chips
DRINK: guinness and/or murphy's stout

― . (Michael B), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:25 (six years ago)

GO: to Tubbercurry
EAT: garlic cheese chips from Supermacs, preferably in a small town centre watching drunks fight
DRINK: A whole 3l bottle of Country Spring

― govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:27 (six years ago)

mmmm Tubbercurry

― . (Michael B), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:38 (six years ago)

ignore advice to go to borris, which gained several mentions in our "worst places in ireland" discussions of yore

― godfellaz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:52 (six years ago)

We went to the Aran Islands last year and spent the day biking and hiking all over. Laid stone walls everywhere, not that many people, 5th century graveyards, neolithic stone forts!

Also highly recommend hiking in the Burren and Conemara.

Gregan's Castle Hotel is one of my favorite hotels ever. Peat fires, great food, beautiful setting, warm service.

― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 10:24 (six years ago)

one month passes...

i mean...the whole of ireland or have you any particular fixed items we can hang ideas off've

We don't really have a fixed itinerary at the moment except for getting off the plane in Dublin and then wandering around/hanging out for awhile before going over to Scotland. (the timing is such that we want to be in London for The Raincoats' 40th anniversary shows in mid-November)

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 July 2019 21:37 (six years ago)

thats still kinda vague!

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 29 July 2019 22:41 (six years ago)

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