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I'm thinking of taking the plunge. I have my eye on a shiny filptop Samsung version, but what model do you recommend? More importantly, who should my service provider be? And also, what sort of plan/how many minutes do I need? I don't talk a lot. Finally, where do I buy this modern-day apparatus (near downtown)? Danke.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 August 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

AT&T Wireless was apparently the only service up and running during the first stages of the blackout, but I suspect Verizon has a better signal throughout the city and the best coverage nationwide. Sprint PCS is garbage. I don't know enough about Nextel.

If I had to suggest a brand of phone I'd say Motorola, I was a lot happier with my Timeport than I am with this fucking Samsung I have now.

NB I do not live in NYC.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read many longwinded rants about Verizon's customer service and performance on the net, but that could just be because they're incredible popular. (I live in Australia)

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 18 August 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I have AT&T's nationwide GSM plan and liked the service so much I use it as my full time phone now.

Using a Sony Ericcson T68i phone which I just love.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know why Millar is convinced I have AT&T Wireless. It was Sprint PCS that was the only one running during the first hour or so of the blackout, as both myself and my coworker "Tony" have Sprint and were the only people getting anything even remotely resembling signal. I quite dislike Sprint because of the whole thing that happened to me with the cloning but I've never had a problem otherwise. Plus my phone is the best looking phone in the universe. That being said I'm probably going to switch. AT&T is pretty decent from what I've seen.

Verizon can eat a dick, I hate them.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Get a nation-wide coverage plan so you don't have to worry about 'roaming' charges. 400 minutes is like around $40 per month. Watch out for long contracts. Try to get a free phone when you sign up. Verizon is the most reliable, has the best coverage, just pray to god you never have to deal with their customer service.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 18 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The "reliability" of Verizon is vastly overrated.

1) I have yet to see Verizon pull through in an emergency situation (on both 9/11 and during the blackout, Verizon, which is the corporate cell phone provider for my office, was the worst performer of the bunch. After 9/11 several of my coworkers got additional private, non-corporate cell phones for emergencies)
2) The main thing about the "reliability" is outside of major metro areas--and by "major metro area" I don't mean like "Oh yr phone won't work in Amherst, MA, it's the suburbs" I mean like dead centre of the midwest type of thing, like standing in the middle of the freeway. Verizon will work there where others won't. But honestly how often does anyone find themselves in that situation?
3) As noted, they have like the worst customer service of ANY of the providers.

The main thing with Verizon is that, from what I can tell, you can no longer roam on their network?? WTF is that about? Whenever I get analog roam (which is Verizon in this area, apparently) I cannot use roaming, I get James Earl Jones telling me to fuck right off with myself. This seems like it should be highly illegal (again emergency situations? Verizon phones can roam on other networks). That's the main advantage as far as I can tell--Verizon suddenly seems to be disallowing roaming from other providers.

I still say go with AT&T. Nextel is awesome in terms of advancements and clarity but their network is for shit AFAICT and their service is extremely pricey. Also, their phones are fucking ugly. AT&T and Sprint have hella cute phones.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Verizon can eat a dick, I hate them.

Chris Barrus to thread! (I gather he has complained mightily about Verizon in recent times.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Mary, there's about two blocks total in our neighborhood where my Sprint PCS cell will do jack shit. It won't work in my apartment, it won't work in my girl's apartment, it sucks on the street, etc., etc. It didn't work during the blackout, but two friends have Verizon cells, and they both did work throughout. I dunno much about AT&T, but the point is, stay away from Sprint.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha my phone always works fine in your neighborhood, Yancey--ever think of getting a local number? I've noticed that a couple of times, people with non-local numbers getting fuck all service around here.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it is important that mary shouts loudly into cell phone in public place.

gareth (gareth), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I've wondered if my VA number was it, but my roommate Pete has a NYC Sprint number and his phone sucks too. And yeah, I'd like to have a local number, but by going through my stepfather's car garage, the phone's pretty much free. That's hard to pass up. But you might be right.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Verizon customer service is horrible. Beware!

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Mary should start shouting a lot more in general. We should all just start yelling our conversations. Especially if we're in a subway.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

My Verizon phone seemed to work off and on during the blackout.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I've noticed most of my thoughts make a lot more sense with 'OMG WTF!!!111' at the end. Maybe we should yell that as well.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

All I'm saying is that 90% of my Dad's family works for Verizon. Verizon is our corporate provider. Verizon is my home phone provider. My advice: avoid Verizon as if it were the devil itself. Just trust me on this one. And as I said, I think Verizon is overpriced for Mary's purposes! OMG WTF!!!!?!@!!11111

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha actually the best Verizon story I have is when my dad worked there, pre-merger way years ago, for Ye Olde Kompanie. They have this system in customer service, right, called "Steps" (which is still there afaik and part of the reason why their customer service is like the 9th circle of hell). Every single conceivable infraction they could think of that they overheard--it could be something as simple as putting someone on hold too long while you looked stuff up--they'd put you on a "Step". Once you had X amount of "Steps", you would be fired. This sounds good except as I said, the infractions were so stupid and petty that everyone was constantly on high levels of "Steps" half the time, so they stopped giving a fuck and just did whatever they felt like, because cursing out a customer was treated as just as bad as putting them on hold 30 seconds too long! There was no differentiating, like you wouldn't be put on a HIGHER step for a worse infraction.

So my dad would sit there all day and curse out customers and go on 40 minute smoke breaks and put people on hold and never come back, etc etc until they finally fired him. This took like a year of acting like a total dick! Everyone else was doing the exact same thing, and this was years ago, before they had the massive congolorate of evil that Verizon has now (ie it's way way way busier now and there's more reason to be a pissed off dickwad at the volume of work, especially as they cut staff drastically).

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, seriously, I wish when I worked at Ticketmaster, putting people on hold was treated the same as cursing them out. Because there were an awful lot of people who deserved to be told what the fuck.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to think that the larger the phone, the sturdier it would be -- which is why a roughneck like me avoided the little tiny flip phone Zoolander things. Now my battery on my bick Nokia is held on by black camera tape.

The moral?

The things are consumeable, so get something expensive if they give it to you for free. Amazon has product reviews, etc.

ModJ, Monday, 18 August 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have thought that Verizon would REWARD its employees for putting customers on hold for too long.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't had that much cust serv experience, but my Verizon cell worked through a good chunk, but not all, of the blackout - I received a call from the UK at 5 on Thursday, left and received messages for NY/NJ people (obv?) - and maybe very briefly on 9/11. And my cell is the coolest-looking in the universe, though I paid a lot extra for it. Also, the roaming charges can be huge. Right now I'm roaming somewhere that I didn't expect to be roaming. And I'm not happy that Verizon is sending its customers notices telling them how wonderful tax cuts are (though I'm not sure if that's Verizon Wireless, which is really, or at least used to be, one of the Scandinavian companies, or Verizon, the land-line company. Anyone know the structure/relationship?).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

All of Nextel's phones are huge, they look like space pods. I need to have a phone that is thin and light.

Oh! Do not get a V60 if you do perchance totally ignore me and go on Verizon, Mary. V60s are the slipperiest phones in the universe, I cannot even tell you how many of them I had to replace at work, and only about half of those replacements were caused by the construction department hurling their phones at each other during fights.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The structure/relationshp at Verizon: "I'm sorry, that's not actually my area".

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yay for at&t wireless. boo generally for verizon (their regular phone service is the pits, and their customer service people would make the brezhnev-era soviet bureaucracy look efficient and polite in comparison!)

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 August 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm thinking of switching to AT&T Wireless when my Sprint contract is up...the price is comparable between the two and the phones are similar in style from what I've seen so far (oh and having all access to every Verizon phone ever, I'm just going to say that the Verizon phones are not half as good looking as my phone or the one with the integrated camera--the more "advanced" Verizon phones are v. bulky compared to my phone, which has the exact same features and 10x better ringtones). Tad, what kind of service do you get on AT&T?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

good service ... calls go through and all that. which is important because i have to call on the amtrak b/w nyc and philly a lot.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 August 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

service plan is $29.99/month, 400 minutes and no roaming charges. i just switched my plan, cause i discovered that i talk more on the thing than i originally planned. AT&T was very helpful in switching me to something better suited to my needs. i couldn't imagine verizon being even 1/20th as helpful.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 August 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Like I said, I've never had any problem at all with service on my phone, but I don't like the way customer service dicked me around when my phone was cloned (they still haven't cleared all the charges to Dominican Republic from my account despite NUMEROUS phone conversations in which I was told "we're clearing that right this second").

The 400 minutes are "any time" minutes right? Are nights/weekends unlimited? My plan right now is about $40 a month + taxes (which are like out the ass, wtf?), and that's 400 minutes + unlimited nights/weekends which is essential to my life, and also internet access which I just don't really need at all.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

yup, anytime minutes and unlimited weekend/evenings.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 August 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

AT&T's coverage is great. While on tour, it was only in the wilds of the remotest parts of Western Canada where I was on roam, and even then that was preferable because everyone else's cell phones didn't work in Canada, period.

My phone kinda sucks though, it's a Nokia. Looking to upgrade sometime soon.

hstencil, Monday, 18 August 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally and gabnab and everyone else who claims to have the most beautiful phone in the universe, could you like, tell me what kind of phone you have? I need something a bit more to go on than "I want the most beautiful phone in the universe" when I walk into a store. Also, what's T-Mobile? I passed two of those on my way to work today.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 August 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

T-Mobile sucks. Unless you want to help pay for their advertising budget (Catherine Zeta-Jones in ads), don't bother. Their coverage/service is horrible.

Why not just check out phones in the store? They usually have them all laid out so you can comparison shop.

hstencil, Monday, 18 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

T-Mobile dislike seconded, plus Catherine Zeta Jones is a terrible spokesperson.

I have a Samsung N400. This phone has been dropped multiple times, including into a running sink at a bar, and still works. The sink thing kind of caused a minor issue that if you snap it closed too hard, it sometimes shuts off but other than that really tiny, occasional thing, it's really durable. Also it plays "Turning Japanese".

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure if this is a dumb question, but are the stores only run by the plan people? Thus, if I want ATT, not that I do, I have to go to an ATT provider store? This is truly a brave new world, before we know it I'll be annoying people on the streets, the bus, and the train.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not a dumb question. The answer is no. There are a lot of brand-specific franchise stores but there are also a lot of combination stores, both "boutique" size stores and major chains. Your best bet, to be honest, is probably to go to a Best Buy or a Circuit City, Mary, because they will have all the competing brands and you can comparison shop. When I got my first phone (4 years ago wow!!) I went to a Circuit City and played with them until I found one that I liked enough to purchase. They will also be able to explain all sorts of different plans to you.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised that everyone seems to love at&t. I've had at&t for a few years now and have been less than thrilled. I get very little signal when I'm at home, at work, when it's windy, etc. It was sketchy on sept. 11, but it did work throughout the blackout (well until my battery died at least) and like stence said, works damned near anywhere (the latter being the reason that I hven't switched before now).

mouse, Monday, 18 August 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Cingular intrigues me, but I'm with AtandT. I used to think they sucked, then I got a different phone.

NEVER GET AN ERICSSON PHONE.

ModJ, Monday, 18 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the moral of this thread is to get a Samsung on ATT? Is Samsung + Verizon even available?

Right now I'm roaming somewhere that I didn't expect to be roaming

Explain?!

Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
I have decided on the Motorola phone. I really like the simple and Play Mobile color-coded look of the buttons, very German engineering, like I am driving a Mercedes or something. I guess my (higher-end) options are either ATT or Verizon. Is ATT the lesser of these two evils? ATT has a plan for 29.99 but they charge for roaming. Will I be doing a lot of roaming? Verizon has a plan for $35 where you can roam all you want to. Also, I see everyone charges extra for text messaging. Will about $2 worth of text messaging be enough for me? I really would have liked to the get the pre-pay plan of Trac-Fone or similar, but their phones are ugly.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(PS: What's the diff btwn GSM and TDMA?)

Mary (Mary), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

unless you're driving in Montana, chances are you won't be roaming all that much.

hstencil, Monday, 20 October 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool, thanks. Also, cell phone experts: do I need handset insurance? ATT has a promotion which expires Oct. 31 so I may take the plunge with them.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I never had Verizon but AT&T has excellent connectivity and customer support. Granted, it's by voice directory tree robots, but it works. You don't prepay for text messages. It's just a dime per outgoing and free to receive.

Here, study these text message shortcuts courtesy of the AT&T Wireless web site:

F2T Free to talk
QPSA Que Pasa?
DuR Do you remember?
PRW Parents are watching
Wan2 Want to
WUWH Wish you were here
T+ Think positive
YBS You'll be sorry
B4N Bye for now

So my vote is . . . AT&T.

Handset insurance? No I don't think you need that. What is it, anyway?

felicity (felicity), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It costs $50 per year and it insures you if you leave your phone in a cab or drop it down a well or something. I'm not big on buying insurance except for when my mom makes me. Hm...the ATT plan I looked at offered text messaging---25 for $2 and 100 for $5 ...every additional msg was 20c I think. Maybe if I don't choose a special plan they will let me do your nice one? I'll ask the nice tree robots at the nearest ATT cloning center.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

They'll squeeze you into a special plan anyhoo, Mary

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

YR NOT GOING TO LOSE YR PHONE. T+

felicity (felicity), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks everyone for the most well-informed and good-natured advice. When I get my phone I will doubly thank you by calling you at all hours. And screaming at you. And so on.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

WUWH!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 October 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Looks like problems for AT&T: up on the auction block plus a recent article in the NYT saying it performed poorly on the NYC--DC Amtrak route.

Maybe I should just suck it up and go Verizon?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, why does Cingular have a #2 market share? Does anybody have Cingular? Should I go for that? I can get plans for 29.99 from either ATT or Cingular, 35 with Verizon.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I have at&t because... well... I don't know why. But the service is pretty good as far as I'm concerned. I also have nationwide, which may or may not affect service.

ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i have at&t cell service and until last month, i used to travel the nyc-philly part of the ne corridor. i had no problem getting through to or getting calls from people, or at least no more problem than anywhere else.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

For GSM, I have to use Cingular (or T-Mobile - they share towers) instead of AT&T because identical phones (sony t616 in fact) from AT&T have zero reception in my house. Your mileage may vary completely.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
I was climbing out to my friend's fire escape last night, joining him for a cigarette. As I lurched through the window, my cell phone slipped from my sweatshirt pocket. It dropped three stories, bounced off of a plastic chair and landed in a puddle on the rooftop below.

What is the most amazing way you have broken or otherwise incapacitated yr cellular jellophone? Similarly, should I even bother replacing it? It seems that reception in NYC is pretty useless and it serves more as a transportable answering machine.

Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
what's verizon's reception in NYC?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

varies widely, but it's not that dependable. i have horrible reception at various points in my neighborhood.

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

what about gramercy park/brooklyn/washington heights?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

you'll be fine.

hstencil, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

what about hstencil's bedroom?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, I have AT&T.

hstencil, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

almost every neighborhood in NYC has a Verizon building with no windows - make of that what you will.

hstencil, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
The Motorola phone I had my eyes on last year is surprisingly no longer available. Everything is now camera-phones.

Does this phone look like it sucks? It seems you can't tell who's calling until you open it up?

https://www.attwireless.com/cell-phone-service/gophone/checkout.jhtml;dsessionid=QUMJL2UY1J5OVB4R0HZSFEY?upc=597553008893

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If anyone wasn't aware, Cingular acquired AT&T Wireless last week.
This network will be larger than Verizon, Sprint, or T-Mobile.

As for T-Mobile: their customer service is actually pretty good, but their reception is very spotty. I know entire towns in NJ where you can't get reception from them. A friend of mine who works for them can't even get reception in his own apartment on his T-Mobile phone.

They also kill you with overage charges.

cdwill, Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm thinking of getting this ugly Free2Go phone. All the other plans scare me.

https://www.attwireless.com/cell-phone-service/free2go/checkout.jhtml;dsessionid=4C2HRT2SE52HTB4R0HZSFEY?upc=797553008804

Mary (Mary), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i use t-mobile. i can only get reception in my apartment if the phone is within a few inches of a window. but to be fair i live on the first floor of a high-rise and i'm not facing the street.

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The only phone I really like at the moment is offered through T-Mobile.

http://www.t-mobile.com/products/images.asp?phoneid=195350&class=phone

But for the same 29.99/month, Cingular seems to offer a better plan.

What should I do, phone gods?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i recently switched to t-mobile from sprint, and i'm getting excellent coverage everywhere in the city, including in my LES apt, where only verizon has worked before.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer the girly T-Mob phones, but I think I am about to close on this little Cingular-Nokia number (their budget plan is just more user friendly)

http://onlinestore.cingular.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ES_PROD_PHONE_DETAILS.jsp?phoneid=437354&storeId=14701&catalogId=14701&langId=-1&storeAlias=nycbmi&svcAreaId=NY6&subOrderId=1&isPostpaid=true#

Mary (Mary), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
I haven't had service in about two weeks, no matter where I check, and including places from which I have previously had service (my home, my work, etc). The phone is charged, and all of the other functions work--alarm clock, finding people's numbers, etc. I can't receive or send text messages, nor call or receive messages. Though my mom was able to leave me a message, I can't retrieve it. At first I thought it might be some payment mix-up, but I just checked my account, and my payments are going through. Any thoughts? Could this possibly have anything to do with a yoghurt incident a few months back? Also, if you have either phoned or texted me lately, and I haven't responded, it is possibly not because I don't like you.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Mary, please report back on your adventures at ALA midwinter. Thank you.

youn, Monday, 16 January 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

Of course, and I think we will have to reprise our failed NoVa/NewHa visits for Spring 2006.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
hey, so i can get a new n91 phone for free from nokia's marketing people (retails like $500+). its a phone, 4gb mp3 player, 2mp phone, pda, has wi-fi, bluetooth, etc. http://www.engadget.com/2005/04/27/the-n91-nokias-4gb-musicphone/

but it only works for tmobile and cingular. i have verizon now, and their service is generally pretty good, but ive heard bad things about tmobile and cingular. anyone use either one lately? i heard that cingular spent a ton of money to upgrade their service, so maybe that would be ok. think it would be worth switching to get this phone for free? i have a shitty circa 1999 phone.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 3 April 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

for what it's worth, a lot of long-time cingular (slash legacy AT&T) users told me NOT to sign up with cingular. but the rest of my familar is on cingular, so it made sense for me to do it anyway. and i haven't had ANY problems. so i'd say go for it.

(ps. tell Nokia's marketing people that i would be happy to accept a n91 from them, too).

mitya's new york minute (mitya), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Does anyone else get 5 calls a day from T-Mobile when your bill is past due?

1-877-819-6042 is a number I've learned to ignore.

phil-two, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:06 (seventeen years ago)

put the # in your contacts and set the ringtone to none

mookieproof, Friday, 6 June 2008 21:09 (seventeen years ago)

oh wow! good idea, thanks!

phil-two, Friday, 6 June 2008 21:21 (seventeen years ago)


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