Fairy Tales: Search And Destroy

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Inspired by endless pub discussion on Friday with five out of six grown adults unable to remember the storyline of the Billy Goats Gruff.

Tom, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Destroy: The Little Red Hen. "Not I" said the reader.

Tom, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Search: gbros (that's the Brothers Grimm, of course)

I was going to say Destroy: Disney versions of fairy tales on the basis that they twist them about and make them un-scary, but then I remembered the Queen in Snow White who frightened me half to death, so I say Destroy: 'humourous' PC versions of fairy tales.

Madchen, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I remember it. Of course as one of you is sure to add thats because it was only a year or two ago when I heard it. Well 14 or so actually.

Ronan, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and Tom, did you remember "who's that trip-trapping over my bridge"?

Madchen, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

None of us could remember any of it. I could at least blame the mind- altering cough linctus.

Emma, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We all remembered that there were three goatXoR and a troll and a bridge but how these elements fitted together, who could say. And John only knew because he'd looked it up on the Interweb. We got further with Rapunzel but some parts remain obscured.

Emma you were easily the worst fairytale authority. You got important facts about the Princess and the Pea wrong and you got Jack And The Beanstalk weirdly merged with The Golden Goose. But as you say it was the drugs talking.

Tom, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So there I was thinking, 'oh that's so daft, everyone knows the plot to the Three Billy Goats Gruff', when I realised that I can't remember it either. I do recall it involving three goats, a bridge, a troll under the bridge and some troll-goat conflict, but that's all. This worries me.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The trouble with most fairy tales is the manner in which they were sanitised during the Victorian era. The original pre-Victorian Sleeping Beauty for example, was woken up with something considerably more substantial than a peck on the cheek...

Trevor, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE that I was wrong eh? I was totally right as I always am as everyone who knows me knows.

We have definitely had something similar to this thread before....

Emma, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Disney turns everything it touches to shit.

Hmm, search Hansel and Gretel, Rupunzel, Rumpelstiltskin, Sondheim's Into The Woods, destroy Three Little Pigs.

chris, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh for heaven's sake...

Three goats, one bridge. Goats want to cross bridge, but troll says no and wants to eat. Smallest goat tries to cross first, troll says he'll eat him, but goat fools troll by saying there's a bigger troll coming who will be a better meal. So next goat comes along and pulls same stunt.

This means troll is waiting for third and final goat, who is a badass and butts him off bridge. End of fairy tale. Moral: always eat the first goat to cross your bridge.

Easy.

Paul Strange, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Paul you are officially Better than me, Pete, Tom, John, Magnus and Tim.

Emma, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Speaking of forgotten things from childhood, can anyone recall the words to Rock-abye-baby or whatever it's called?

All I can remember is:

Rock-abye-baby in the tree tops, When the bough breaks down will come baby cradle and all

Then it kind of turns into the Skye Boat song and I sing "Onward the sailors cry, Carry the lad...".

It is rather confusing.

Tabs, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rock a Bye Baby

Rock-a-bye, baby, In the tree top. When the wind blows, The cradle will rock. When the bough breaks, The cradle will fall, And down will come baby, Cradle and all.

m jemmeson, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

arse, forgot line breaks

Rock a Bye Baby

Rock-a-bye, baby,
In the tree top.
When the wind blows,
The cradle will rock.
When the bough breaks,
The cradle will fall,
And down will come baby,
Cradle and all.

m jemmeson, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lovely words for a lullaby, aren't they? So comforting.

Tabs, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

in paul's version the goats claim a bigger TROLL is coming later: but surely they said a bigger GOAT is coming - or is under-bridge troll a cannibal troll?

mark s, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We all saw it you impolite pedant you.

Ronan, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cannibal troll obv. = most fearsome fairy tale monstah evah!

jess, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the one in "From the Beast to the Blond" (a book about fairy tales by world's cleverest person Marina Warner) where an old woman is deserted by her ungrateful children. She does a good turn to some fairy, who pays her back by turning her children into windmills and a donkey so they have to work for their mother. There's a great picture at the end of the old woman sitting on a donkey looking at her windmills with a happy smile on her face.

DV, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think my all time favourite would be The Snow Queen. It's all boy meets girl, boy gets splinter of evil mirror in eye and heart and flies off with snow queen to ice castle, girl goes on crazy rescue mission through frozen Finland etc, saves boy by crying on him.

Always liked the original Little Mermaid too (by Hans Christian Andersen?) where the undersea witch was REALLY scary, and there was no Disney-esque ending... instead she turns into sea foam and it's... so sad.

Kim, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Boy = Kim (?!); girl = Gerda (?): mark s aged six or so found this story a MAJOR TURN ON

mark s, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TROLL & GOATS

But you forgot WHY they crossed that bridge, AND that story's ACTUAL moral! They crossed it because they could see that grass on that bridge's other side looked greener. When they arrived there they discovered its complexion, taste, colour, etc. matched their own grass's attributes. Hence where we get that godawful phrase "The grass always looks greener on the other side".

Kodanshi, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surely since summary third-goat despatch of non-cannibal troll, ALL grass anywhere = greener

mark s, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fairy tales that are uninteresting and moral (such as the goat one) =dud. Fairy tales that are beautiful and have lots of places for you to fill in lovely lush imagery (so that even morals can be forgiven) =absolutely beyond classic.

Maria, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kay and Gerda. Forgot his name myself - but found it (and the whole story) here

You're right though, it did strike some deep romantic chord - but I certainly wouldn't have recognized it as being a turn on at the time. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, the entire classic fairytale abduction/rescue construct that was so often used, was pretty kinky in it's appeal. I'll admit - I was oddly fascinated.

Kim, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oops... that was supposed to link to this http://hca.gilead.org.il/snow_que.html

Kim, Tuesday, 25 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Kim, you are soooo on the button here. There's something about "The Snow Queen", there's a real chemistry in it, a battle between opposing elements that makes it very alluring. The unshakeable faith of an adolescent's passion to melt the iciest heart.

Have you ever heard that song "The Ice Maiden" by Prefab Sprout? It was directly inspired by that story and explores those themes even further.

Trevor, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What's that one where the girl is in a building where there are three rooms,a nd each has a dog in it, and the third and largest dog has "eyes the size of dinner plates"? Imagery that sticks like the 3M Spray Adhesive on my fingers. That gave little me some freak outs.

1 1 2 3 5, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Those dogs gives me the willies.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Tinderbox

(For the record, I found the Snow Queen's project to freeze everything the "hot" aspect.)

mark s, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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