what do your parents think of you?

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do they feel that you bring shame on the family, or are they proud of the great achievements you have made?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Constant disappointment (I just asked).

Lara (Lara), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

They're happy with me. They wish I was better with money and they don't really understand the whole website thing but I think they're proud of me.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really sure, but they drove for 45 mins yesterday to give me a bouquet of flowers & some champagne for passing 1 exam, so I reckon they quite like me!! I'm not sure about great achievements, but they are proud of me definitely!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they have just recently come to terms with my life and career choices and now I think they are actually weighing towards the "proud" part of the scale.

But my aunt recently asked me "what do you want to be when you grow up?" even though I'm 25, work, earn money, and have an apartment.

Hanna (Hanna), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

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gobemouche, Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

they are proud i think, altho they don't really understand or take much interest in what it is that i do, but that's okay.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

there are things they don't like about me, but they love me essentially and are very proud of me.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 21 August 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Quite honestly, I don't think my mother has ever recovered from walking in on me during sex when I was in high school. I am a constant source of disappointment to her. And my dad apparently thinks I'm a bitch. When I was in high school I was talking to him about my friends one day, and Dad (I gather he was not popular as a teenager), said, with an underlying bitterness that was like a punch in the gut, "You know, if you had been in high school with me, you wouldn't have given me the time of day," and walked out of the room. Honestly, I think the fact that I'm floundering as an "adult" now has softened him toward me.

jewelly (jewelly), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Quite deeply disappointed in my lack of career cohesion, but they think I'm nice, clever and funny. I am absolutely petrified of letting them down.

Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

they want me to finish my book(s)!!

the nice thing abt the "if" book is that it's about a film they both adored as young grown-ups (ie when i was still small mark s) — my music writing makes their eyes glaze over w.bafflement) (haha join the queue i know)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a superficially good relationship with my parents, but I don't think they're able to forgive me certain things I have done with my life.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

If my son was a Tony Parsons obsessive I would have cut him out of the family.

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents think I'm an easily-led freak.

caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

They don't particularly understand why I do what I do or how I manage to make a living at it, but they're totally supportive. And my mom pretty much whooped with delight when I started writing for Publishers Weekly and the New York Times (though more when I was cited as an expert in the Times than when I actually started writing for them, curiously).

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I am a disappointment to my mom, she expected me to me a published author by now because I won a lot of writing awards when I was younger. My dad is relatively easy going and is proud of me and likes me no matter what I do.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, I've got thing to say to you: BADGE

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they are quite happy with me now. I visit them quite regularly, which helps. Possibly they liked me least when I'd just finished university - I think they thought I'd become too philosophical and opinionated.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I think my parents are proud of me insofar as they think I'm relatively bright and considerate and nice and stuff, they've probably been less thrilled about things like abortive uni attempts and lengthy periods of directionless unemployment but I've been more consistent for the last year or so and college thing next month has them slightly reassured that I'm now headed in 'right' direction.

My brother is always very keen that I acknowledge that it's MY FAULT that my mum is on antidepressants, however.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

My mum is proud of me as a person I think, but worries about my lack of ambition/confidence/money when it comes to career stuff. I don't know what my dad thinks of me. Stepdad thinks I'm great, stepmum thinks I'm thoughtless and a snob I fear.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents seem to be fairly proud of me. I'm not as ambitious as either of my sisters (law school and engineering), but I've got that first-born thing going for me. And both of my parents think I'm really creative and artistic. That means I play in a band and live with my boyfriend. I really don't mind that identity. I think, if anything, my mom is disgusted that I don't keep a cleaner house. And I think both parents wish I were more religious. But nobody's perfect, huh?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"You know, if you had been in high school with me, you wouldn't have given me the time of day,"

Ouch, that's cold. :-(

Aside from some deserved tut-tutting when credit card debt spiralled up a bit for me, as best as I can tell my folks think I'm doing mighty fine. They may not listen to much of the music I do, for instance, but they thoroughly enjoyed seeing my reviews in the AMG books that have come out -- my dad said that even though he knew none of the bands he got a clear sense of what they were like through my writing, which really pleased me on a personal and professional level both. They've made it clear that they don't mind my not being settled down with someone/having a mortgage/raising kids yet, and that if it never happens it's no worry (and indeed, having mentioned that in a conversation they've never addressed those subjects again directly or obliquely). When I wrote my dad a fairly emotional letter when he had his cancer scare, he was kind enough to write back and say how proud he was of me, and considering I'm generally closer to my mom in attitude and emotional state on many matters, that was quite touching. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

they both love me but they don't understand the music i listen to or why I'm interested in the stuff I'm interested in. The fact that I'm not religious is a dissapointment too.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel a kinship with your parents, Julio, apart from the religion thing.

Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Saw my parents yesterday. They would like me to get my hair cut.

robster (robster), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm having some pretty serious problems at work and still trying to figure out what I want to do (27 y.o.), and last night my parents told me to quit my job and take some time off and figure shit out, maybe even move across the country. It was about the last thing I expected to hear. But very welcome.

nickdouglas (Nick D), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents think I am too self-indulgent and think I need to be put into the wilderness or a 3rd world country to fend for myself so I get over myself.

Also, tonight I left them unattended in my house and they used my computer and accessed my email so they may now know a number of things that I didn't want them to know.

And my mum says I'm a collectomanic.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 21 August 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

My father believes I'm going to go to Hell when I die. I'm not sure if this still makes him sad. He thinks I would have been better off without a liberal arts education, but that even the amount of history and literature you get at MIT might have been too much.

My mother is no longer as concerned with what I do as I dabble around in graduate school, and is back on the bus supporting my writing. It helps that I haven't had to borrow money in a fair while, except when I had to move on short notice. She wishes I would make more of an effort to keep in touch/visit the rest of my extended family. She doesn't understand why I've never moved back to New Hampshire, much less New England. She has begun to understand why I don't visit more often (at least, the part of the reason that's "no one's ever home when I visit, so it's like me in an empty house in the middle of nowhere all day, and then dinner with you, no offense.")

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

They think of me?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

My father wants to be me, and my mother wants to be with me.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Never realized Nick was short for Oedipus.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't been in jail for a while, so they're happy about that.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I think my parents really like me.

Mandee, Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

My dad pretty much loves me no matter what, as does my mother, but she's much sneakier and bitchier about it. She can't resist the opportunity to get a few hits in under the belt when given the chance, and then backs away from it saying, 'well, you know I love you so much...'

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents call me and ask for money to help them out. My my how the tables have turned fuckwads.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Honestly, I have no idea. My parents have never encouraged anything I did. They didn't really care. I guess they could careless nowadays too.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

toraneko, that sucks.

I have about the most perfect parents ever. They've always respected and encouraged me, and I know that by doing things that make me proud of myself, I'll make them proud as well.

I'm an only child, and I'm wondering if I should have the "would it be a big deal to you if I never had kids" talk with them...v nervous about that and still not sure if I'll change my mind on the kids issue anyway. Also I bet that they would say that it didn't matter one way or the other, being that they're perfect.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Both my parents referred to me as "shithead" most of my life, so I guess they think pretty highly of me.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents just don't think about me much at all. My brother is their pride and joy even though he's kind of a fuckup.

Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I get on fine with my parents. I'm sure they'd be happy if I got a better job, and got on with things in general. But, we're cool.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Byran is silly. His parents think quite highly of him. This is a true fact.

ac, Thursday, 21 August 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they're mostly proud, my mom shows it more and more obviously than my dad does, but he has his ways of making it known. i get the feeling sometimes that my father wishes i was more self-reliant and sees me as the product of an overly indulgent childhood, not as fully formed as he was at my age (which i'm sure is true). without getting all hallmarky, i think i tend to take for granted the freedom they've given me to make choices about my life/future career, never pushed me towards the CAREER oriented options (lately dad's starting to fret about that somewhat - he's expressed some worry about my cluelessness when it comes to making and managing money - i'm not "bad" with it, but i don't know my trust fund from my debit slip).

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 21 August 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeez Louise. I am a goddamn knob.
Bryan. Not Byran. Bryan.

ac, Thursday, 21 August 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think thye're proud. I've done more with myself than they ever did. They *might* be disappointed that i'm not married with kids but then my bro has 3 so they should be satisfied.l

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 21 August 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

my parents are proud of me, they said it a lot this spring/summer due to the whole graduation & going to college thing. so basically i haven't really done much to be not proud of yet :) also, i think they are going to miss me a bit when i move out, which somehow seems more important.

Maria (Maria), Friday, 22 August 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

My dad pretty much loves me no matter what, as does my mother, but she's much sneakier and bitchier about it. She can't resist the opportunity to get a few hits in under the belt when given the chance, and then backs away from it saying, 'well, you know I love you so much...'

Luna, your parents and my parents are almost carbon copies! My mom's not so much sneaky though as just plain out and out critical. She criticizes me about everything and anything, but then will tell me she's only doing it because she loves me and wants me to be better.

*huge sighs* I miss my dad now. I mean, not that he wasn't tough on me -- I do think I had very strict parents, not just a very strict mother -- but he never stopped loving me or made me feel like his love was conditional the way my mom's love is. He was definitely the more nurturing parent.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents have had zero influence on me since, oh, about 15 yrs old. I feel like a freak. I pretty much ignore them (well just ignore my mom, my father's dead to me). Am I a bad child? It's just I feel like they had so little to do with who I am now that I don't need to involve them in my life.

As a mother, I would either be mommie dearest or a smothering type. Neither good.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I get along with my parents so well it freaks me out sometimes. Since I moved out I haven't had one argument or even slightly heated disagreement with them. We hang out all the time. They're very supportive of stuff I do; with my son, with music, with work, with my home, etc, etc. I don't get it!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear about people like you, nick, but I never actually meet them. Good relationship with the fam? Alien to me. But maybe that's because freaks flock together, so I'm unlikely to meet many happy, well-adjusted people.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

from what i can gather my parents now like me a little more than they did about 2 years ago. back then, my father explained to me that 'every choice you have made has been the wrong one, you think you're special and you're not', and my mum kindly informed me that i was actually crazy but just really good at hiding it, so i should get some help.

i think what really happened was that i moved back to live in the same town as them, after a 17 year adult life overseas. none of us handled it very well.

now i live away again, ( but still in the same country this time ) they love my boy and have even been sort of kind and helpful to me lately. this i take to be a good sign.

donna (donna), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

See the mean, nasty shit yr parents seem to be saying to you folx would make me just say "Fuck off!!" What the hell?? Parents are nothing more than people who happened to have an "oops" moment. They are no better, smarter or more capable than you. If you're lucky, they will prove to be good, nurturing and helpful to you.

Overall though, if anyone wants to be critical to you and cut you down at the knees, you need to tell them to go fuck themselves, genetic material be damned.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll say this about my parents: they love me a lot. My dad has loved me from afar for too long, and I know he regrets this. My mom has loved me just a little too much, too closely, and too insanely, for far too long. So I have one distant loving parent, and one cold, crazy, alcoholic, control freak, batshit, rampaging, wine-glass-throwing parent who I do believe loves me, despite surface appearances.

What do they think of me? My Mom keeps describing me as a "liberal." "Oh, you're such a liberal!" Or, "Oh, you're such a critic!" She spits the words with as much anti-intellectual bile as she can muster. I once said something disparaging about the movie Pretty Woman and never heard the end of it. Mom loves me, because she's my Mom, but I think she hates everything I like or believe in.

Dad, on the other hand, is very cool, funny, goofy, and soooo not around anymore. I see him sometimes, and envy the kids that he DID raise, those of his second wife. I'm torn -- I know why he divorced my Mom. She's a complete nutcase. But he missed out on raising far higher quality children than the ones he got stuck with.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

you need to tell them to go fuck themselves, genetic material be damned.

Of course you realize, this is a lot easier said than done.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

We ain't exactly happy or well-adjusted people Kenan, but we get along with each other pretty well; I think members of my family all tend to internalize their problems rather then make some connection between their problems & each other...although we did do that while I still lived there. Me & my dad especially had issues back then.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It's even more than just the genetic connection, which makes it that much harder to just be like 'fuck you'. When you were small, they WERE more than just 'people who had an oops moment' (haha--double meaning for me there). They bathed you, wiped your ass, knew everything about everything, etc. I mean, it's almost like your were programmed to look up to them and value their opinion, so it's pretty hard to ignore it.
(I do see what you're saying though, sam)

oops (Oops), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Sam, if you can honestly disregard your parents' opinion of you, you are more than human.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i love my parents, even when they put shit on me. cant help it, and cant help still ( pathetically ) desiring their approval.

i have long become adjusted to the fact that they are 'only human' and made / make mistakes. that doesnt seem to help me much when they are mean.

i did tell them to 'go fuck themselves' actually, not in those exact words but close enough. it didnt make me feel better or stronger. i just felt really sad. now im glad we seem to be getting along ok.

donna (donna), Friday, 22 August 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I... dont know how to answer this question, which baffles me a bit. I know my parents love me very much. I know they'd do anything for me. I also know mum worries furiously about me and always has, bur more so now I'm in another state, as when I am haviung depression issues etc she cant be there for me and it makes her sad I think. I miss my parents, but when I'm around them I want to kill them, for reasons I can't work out. Mum in her worrying tends to put the guilt trip on from time to time, making me feel like I can't look after myself, but I dont think she means to, I think she feels bad that compared to my youger brothers I'm not doing as well financially etc and dont own my own place.

I dont think my parents at all approve of much of my lifestyle choices, so we sort of just dont talk about it ;) I still somehow feel guilty though.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 22 August 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

My parents have had zero influence on me since, oh, about 15 yrs old. I feel like a freak. I pretty much ignore them (well just ignore my mom, my father's dead to me). Am I a bad child? It's just I feel like they had so little to do with who I am now that I don't need to involve them in my life.

No, that's what I consider the norm -- not necessarily at 15, but certainly once you're out of the house and off the payroll, your parents only have the influence over you that you give them. Almost everyone gives them some, sure, but not like when you're a kid.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 22 August 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to have the typical adopted-kid's anxiety about not being a "real" daughter, which got worse when mom got "miraculously" pregnant with my little brother, but in the back of my mind I believed my parents and the guidance counselors, etc., who said that being adopted didn't make me any less loved. Now, in retrospect, I think they were all full of shit, actually.

jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I was adopted too. I nearly died twice in the first couple of months my parents had me - double pneumonia then my first asthma attack - and my mother decided she'd been given a defective model, and no one would take it back and give her a good one. "You've been a massive disappointment to me from the day I got you, and you always will be," "You're worthless" and "No one will ever want you" are the characteristic phrases I heard all the time through my childhood, pretty much daily. My dad didn't much join in - he was a hard-working man, a good provider, and he took me to football matches, and I have pretty fond memories of those times (he died nearly 25 years ago), but to be honest he was always on my mother's side on all that stuff. So I don't think she much likes me, no.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Geez, Martin. Well, my mother was never quite so blunt. As a kid my parents' concern over the fact that I fainted a lot seemed like their greatest expression of love. But by the time I was a teenager, no medical or psychological breakthroughs had cured me or pronounced my doom, and they seemed to conclude that I was just a mentally defective model (and never mind that I was a straight-A student at the top of my class). And when they found out I wasn't a virgin or completely drug-and-alcohol free, the environment at home was downright icy.

Dude, I'm being way to serious and depressing for ILX ...

X Post: I've been thinking of you and your eyes off and on the last few days, Martin ... hoping for the best ...

jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

but in the back of my mind I believed my parents and the guidance counselors, etc., who said that being adopted didn't make me any less loved. Now, in retrospect, I think they were all full of shit, actually.

Um, I don't think so. I feel your parents and the guidance counselors were right at least in words. Any parent whatsoever who would've loved you less for being adopted should not only feel ashamed of themselves but also has their priorities serious screwed up.

I would know this first-hand, sure.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dammit, it's seriously screwed up, not serious screwed up.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

man, i feel like i'm in the breakfast club.
shitty parents make me sad. :(

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Even though it seems like I've known more people who have had shitty parents than good ones, I'm still amazed--and saddened--by how awful people can treat their own children.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Although they don't say it, I think my parents are proud of me since they never even went to high school, and I've gotten as far as the university. Still, we rarely have much to talk about; our lives are just so different, me being a leftist anarchist atheist vegan university student, and them being ordinary middle-aged social democrat salt-of-the-earth working class folks. My mom's also religious, so me leaving the Church was probably a disappointment to her. I've got nothing against my parents, it's just that they know very little about my actual life.

Also, sometimes I suspect my mom thinks I'm gay, since almost all of my friends are girls, I've never talked her about my girlfriends, and I've told her I've kissed guys. However, these sort of things don't come up during our coffee table talks, so I have no way of knowing what she actually thinks of me.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 23 August 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I get along pretty well with them (even though i live at home our paths seldom cross) and they love me, but they don't understand my interests. I think they wish I was better with money.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 23 August 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

My stepfather just sent me a card and a picture of one of our cats! My mother emailed me about this saying "M*** got all sentimental, I guess." I think he misses me more than my mom does. I am quite certain my mother doesn't expect me to get married until I'm 40, and when we talk about how my nieces and nephew are such cute babies she tells me "don't get any ideas!" sothe settling down issue isn't really there.

rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

my mom is proud of me. that's all really.
my dad doesn't know me, and he's a freak so who cares?

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

That's so funny and unfortunate for modern boys - the problem of your parents wondering whether you're gay.

m.s (m .s), Sunday, 24 August 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm. Our relationship used to be pretty horrible, and then I moved halfway across the country for a bunch of years. In the past year I came back for a while to stay, and now they seem to be quite proud of what I'm doing and seem to finally appreciate what was always there to begin with. I love them both very much, and feel confident the next time I leave they will be more at peace about it.

The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Sunday, 24 August 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Grr, crashing ISP lost my response. . .

I haven't checked this thread since my last post b/c this is a loaded topic for me and I am, at heart, a pussy.

Quickly scanning these responses though here is my reply directed at Kenan's questions (you know I love you sweetie):

I don't pay much attention to my parents b/c my father is serving a 25 yr sentence for sexually sentencing me and my mother is recovering IV drug user. My moms stopped shooting up about my senior year of high school but I had already ran away from home and stopped speaking to her by then. We regained contact around my sophomore yr in college and she was a mere alcoholic by then.

These days she is completely clean and sober and we have a wonderful, close relationship. However we aren't allowed to discuss her drunkeness or junkieness, so the closenesss only goes to far.

Those restrictions combined with my wish that my father be anally raped by Satan with a spiked dildo result in me not giving a fuck what these two individuals think of me.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Sunday, 24 August 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"sexually sentencing" should = aggravated sexual assault via TX penal code. Thanks. duh.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Sunday, 24 August 2003 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)


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