RIP Ian Macdonald?

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There's a post on Simon Reynolds' Blissblog to this effect and I was wondering, wtf, is this the Ian Macdonald (Nick Drake wheels of time, Mojo, Uncut, the father of lists &c.)?

RIP whoever you are wherever you are.

David. (Cozen), Friday, 22 August 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

shouldn't this be on ILM?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone know if this is true?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

if so it's a shame, i disagreed with a lot of what he wrote but he was always interesting to read. i've been rereading "revolution in the head" while listening to all my beatles albums in chronological order: both are better than i remembered.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy who was in King Crimson and Foreigner?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

oh ok, nevermind; obv not.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

if it is that guy that sucks 'cause i love "court of the crimson king" & the macdonald & giles album & *coughcough* some foreigner songs esp. "dirty white boy"....& if it's that other guy it sucks 'cause "revolution in the head" is pretty fuckin great...if it's some other guy called ian macdonald, that sucks too i guess, for like his family & his mates & whoever...yeah so [what cozen said]

duane, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I dunno. So yeah, what I said.

David. (Cozen), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

What Duane said except I don't like that King Crimson (yet, I eventually like pretty much anything). I love "Revolution...", it was my fav book for quite a while (replacing "The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions"). It's "Anthology" now, obv.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

andrew you like the really lame period of KC with that belew guy the best i bet! man you like some lame stuff.

duane, Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not! I like the "Lark's Tongues" to "Red" stuff, remember? I do like the Belew stuff, yes, not as much though.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

that beatle "anthology" book is sort of cool but only sort of...don't you find the sloppy sort of inaccurate use of the word "anthology" annoying? also it's really hard to read, just physically , the size of it & stuff.

duane, Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i knew that really, i was just dickin w/ ya

duane, Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I just didn't want anyone thinking I liked the 80s stuff that much. Yeah I just like the pictures and it's clearly NOT really an anthology (tho the TV series was worse in that respect) and why they felt the need to tie it all in so closely w/the records (which were properly an anthology, I guess) I don't know, it's not like Beatles stuff needs help selling. And actually none of these have ever really been my favourite book, except maybe the recording one when I was 13.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually it's still not that great a use of "anthology" really, and it's an ugly title anyway. Stupid Beatles.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

this friend of mine who is a real slick theif stole me a copy of that book but then she stole it back off me & sold it

duane, Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Just read the orbituary in the times this morning.

He wrote 'Revolution in the head' and a book abt shostakovich (sp?), which apparently caused a lot of controversy among classical crits at the time but his son thought it was the best thing written abt him.

The orbit notes that, while at the NME, he was abt the only one that gave neil young's 'on the beach' a positive review.

he was 54 and 'died by his own hand'.

I've read little by him and the only thing I remember was a review of Coltrane's 'Last concert'. It was lame (it was 'late period' and so you know, that's that) but it was published in Uncut mag, which only gives a couple of paras max. I hate that fucking mag.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised by that, he knew/loved jazz pretty well... fuck, suicide, that really is depressing. Thanks for sorting out the identity crisis, though. Poor sad man.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

well that's the thing that surprised me. he loved lots of types of music but i don't have that ish with me (I couldn't buy it after reading that). maybe it was the appalling recording.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

He really did, and knew a fuck of a lot about all of them. Damn I really love "Revolution", this is so GRIM. He liked the Pet Shop Boys a lot, too... Uncut didn't suit him AT ALL, his reviews seemed pretty obviously trimmed hideously, they had no flow left in them and read like technical descriptions a lot of the time.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I skimmed this thread before and for some reason came to the provisional conclusion that it was someone else.

I bought Revolution In The Head in hardback at the height of my Beatles fixation and loved it to bits. I always think of him cursing the demise of craft (and rhythm guitarists) in pop and the advent of the power rock trio.

I always find it sadder when it's an older person who kills themself.

RIP.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's much sadder (well more affecting, it's sad when anyone offs themselves obv). You should have worked things out to some liveable degree by then, or so I like to think. He made me realise just how great a good rhythm guitarist is, and how it's actually a lot harder to rock without one (it's easier to ROCK, tho, but that leaves us at a Datsuns show and we don't want that)

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. This is unexpected. 'Revolution in the Head' is wonderful and I've just been reading The People's Music and enjoying that especially the Nick Drake piece. I often disagreed with what he wrote but his reviews always stood out because he came at the records from a completely different angle to all the other reviewers.

He always seemed to want to judge records not just on their own merits but where they sat in the culture as a whole and what impact they had on that culture, which is valid but sometimes you just want to enjoy music on it's own terms. I particularly remember the 2 stars he gave to the Zombies box set in Uncut rubbing me up the wrong way.

mms (mms), Monday, 25 August 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

he was 54 and 'died by his own hand'.

What the...? I liked "Revolution In the Head" and I don't even like the Beatles (sadly however his Nick Drake thing was one of the worst things I've ever read in my life). I think the fact that he was one of the first (and one of the only) British journalists in the 70s to pick up on German rock is worth noting. Shame.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 25 August 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://elidor.blogspot.com/

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Monday, 25 August 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

His Nick Drake article is one of my favourite pieces of music writing. RIP.

David. (Cozen), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

david - are you cozen that writes ±Lack?

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Monday, 25 August 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I rarely notice the names of people who write record reviews, but I always noticed his. I often disagreed with him, but was nearly always at least interested in what he had to say about specific artists or pieces of music. Mainly because, unlike most rock or pop critics, I thought he had a good enough pair of ears to know what he was hearing. Unfortunately his more generalised theories about musical or social trends were just as pretentiously bad as other pop critic's.

It may not be much given my low level of interest in rock/pop criticism but he was probably my favourite critic (ie, the only one whose opinions I ever paid any attention to).

ArfArf, Monday, 25 August 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

if you didn't know, he was also the brother of bill maccormick who played in quiet sun, matching mole and 801 (amongst others). ian (i think) played bagpipes on one of MM's records too.

i remember reading his 70s nme reviews with anticipation and glee - his opinions always seemed to match my own: when i was a teenager you needed your half baked opinions stamped with someone elses authority. his small review of robert wyatt's 'rock bottom' was the thing that drew me to it initially (and it's easy availability helped too) even if it's grand claims ('the future of music') were obviously o.t.p.

i finally picked up 'revolution in the head' last year and, even though i'm not a beatles afficianado, i loved it to bits. once again his grand essay claims were slightly ridiculous (eg modern pop is all sampled, looped music and this can never generate melodic interest... unlike the bealtes who were the masters and so on) but the bulk of the book is extremely well written and informative and the unadulterated obsessional character of it is impressive.

phil turnbull (philT), Monday, 25 August 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(jed_e_3 - yeah - why?

Should take this off thread though, respects 'n all, e-mail is here.)

David. (Cozen), Monday, 25 August 2003 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

this probably doesn't make sense, but I'm really upset about this. I never met Ian MacDonald, probably never would have, and I didn't even care much for his stuff in Uncut (apart from his brilliant essay on Dylan a couple years ago). maybe it's the fact that I'm on my fourth reading of Revolution in the Head - my first reading was as a devoted Beatles fan when I was 14. it's a book I've loved and hated, the latter because of the inescapable grimness of IMD's twin arguments, that pop has run out of steam because of a failure of imagination AND that the world is in a horrible fix for similar reasons. I can still remember reading the last paragraph of the intro to that book and thinking 'god, is he right?' I left off reading at the 'Revolution 9' section a couple days ago, it's going to be strange reading the rest of it now.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

An interview.

Barney Hoskyns' obituary.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian MacDonald's single greatest influence on me was the idea that the great revolution that came out of the 60s was in fact the product of mainstream society, and that the hippies and radical left were in fact the last gasp of an old spirit, a warning against a dawning individualist revolution, rather than the start of anything new or a significant influence on society in subsequent years ... a considerable influence on much of my recent writing, as I wrote on my blog (thanks to Jez for the link!). Looking back over the same "Fabled Foursome, Disappearing Decade" essay that Justyn refers to, I realise for the first time just how strong an influence Ian was on that aspect of my thinking ... at a moment like this, I am able to forget the way Ian infuriated me, made me feel at times he was fatally bound by the era he grew up in, because he was both "wrong" and "right"; there's a lot I can sympathise with in those theories (that final sequence to "Fabled Foursome, Disappearing Decade" haunts me as well, as does the "something in the soul of Western culture began to die in the late Sixties" line at the very end of the book itself) even if, finally, I may find them tantalising and fascinating but can counter them in my own life. I've come close, though; the state of the world has often pushed me close to the edge, and the idea of suicide (or, more likely, completely cutting myself off to the point of being a hermit, which I get the impression Ian tried to do in much of his life, retreating to his parents' home in Gloucestershire, etc, etc) has come to my mind at times.

If I had made my debt to Ian MacDonald clearer in his lifetime, maybe even tried to contact him, I wonder if I could have made him feel more optimistic about the next generation, my being 32 years his junior? Ah well, in the final analysis maybes don't really count. All I can say is thank you, Ian; you made me think harder, and although you didn't inspire me to love most of the music I chose to love, you *did* have a great effect on the way I think about it.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The times orbituary does say that he wasn't happy with the state of the world but I'd like to know how they got hold of this, or how accurate is it?

And was the world any better in the 60s, 70s or 80s ?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's accurate, Julio - I know someone who knew him professionally and it fits in with what they said.

It's very sad news - I don't agree with some of his main musical tenets (e,g the destructive influence of punk and sequenced music), but he was always worth reading. Revolution in the Head is fantastic and I loved his long-ish reviews which were in Uncut for a while. RIP.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

finished rereading it this morning. for all that I might quarrel with his view of the White Album, I'm hard-pressed to disagree with most of his comments on the songs themselves (bar "Helter Skelter," though I can understand why he hates it), and his account of why the Beatles finally fell apart is the most convincing I've ever read.

has anyone read his book on Shostakovich?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

But he was right - Helter Skelter is rubbish (as is any attempt by Paul to rock out). The one he's wrong about is Across The Universe.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It is overblown but not rubbish.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Paul had lots of good non-rubbish rock-out moments - "Back in the USSR" for one. "Helter Skelter" is fantastic because it's the only rawk number where he actually managed to sound menacing, Lennon-style, instead of just doing his Little Richard impression (which is usually fab, don't get me wrong).

The one IMacD is rilly RILLY right abt = "Let It Be."

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Back in the USSR is good, but it's too clever for me to think of it as rock-out. Also, he doesn't scream on it. I like 'Dizzy Miss Lizzy' actually.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Hang on, that's John. What am I thinking?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

'She's A Woman' - I like 'She's A Woman'.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Wrong about "Across the Universe", "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds", "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" (fuzz guitar of itself doesn't make a record "rock" - what about the time signatures?). Generally right about Shostakovich. Wrong about Nick Drake being that good, or Gaucho. Kinda right about Marvin Gaye but overstates the case. SO right about The Supremes and Filles De Kilimanjaro. Right that the quality of pop has got worse, wrong that technology or punk or lack of musical skill is to blame. Wrong that the world is a nastier place, and that lack of musical skill is a symptom thereof.

ArfArf, Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

You really like 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds?' It's the dismissal I agree with Ian MacDonald most about. God it's dreary - and Sgt Pepper is my favourite Beatles album.

A lot of Beatles obsessives got annoyed with what they claimed were errors of fact in RITH. See here for example.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

arfarf- thanks for judging all that many of the things the man had to say in one para. where would be without your shit really.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

fuzz guitar of itself doesn't make a record "rock" - what about the time signatures

I'm confused - "I Want You" isn't rock?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I think of "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" as sludge more than rock, a kind of nightmarish locked groove.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I want you sounds a little like Black Metal at the end.
I agree with N Dastoor I remember him for bemoaning the power trio and the use of volume/disortion instead of rhytham guitar.
I loved hsi writing, and his thoughts, even if i disagreed. And his mourning for a lost golden age: well we all feel like that from time to time dont we.

Geez I never knew, until today, what ILM was.
Now I know. Bit slow on the uptake, is Baal. And this time of night talks in third person as well.

Baal (Baal), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello Baal - sorry it was such a sad subject that drew you in.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 September 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Just wanted to belatedly express how depressed Ian Mac's death made me feel in September. I'm a big fan of the Beatles and Shostakovich, and he had interesting/relevant things to say on both.

Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

In reply to Justyn, i've read 'The New Shostakovich'. It's essentially IMac bigging up 'Testimony', at a time when it was somewhat discredited, and then adding his own - sometimes extreme - interpretations of the political/personal meanings in S's work (particularly the symphonies).
Anyone who loves 'Revolution' should read it.

Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Would anyone respond to a Shostakovich thread?

Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for the info, pete: i'll respond in three months when i get around to reading it!

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 20 November 2003 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

IMac speaks on Shost here: http://www.siue.edu/~aho/musov/interview.html

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 20 November 2003 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Justyn. Enjoy the book!

Pete S, Thursday, 20 November 2003 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

anyone know anything about the status of ian macdonald's last book, "birds, beasts & fishes"? it was apparently uncompleted at his death but there's a "december 2007" release date on amazon.

excerpt here: http://rfrederick.diaryland.com/ian_mac.html

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 04:08 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Been reading REVOLUTION IN THE HEAD at last.

N said: "I bought Revolution In The Head in hardback at the height of my Beatles fixation and loved it to bits. I always think of him cursing the demise of craft (and rhythm guitarists) in pop and the advent of the power rock trio."

I just read this bit, having been told about it by someone else (it's in the Helter Skelter section).

I don't get this pro-rhythm-guitar thing at all. Rhythm guitarists are not a very interesting sound and not always necessary. The most obvious contradiction to IM's view is the Smiths - OK, they did take an extra guitarist on the road for late tours, but you don't listen to their work and think 'if only this band had a Rhythm Guitarist, they'd be subtle'.

You can do a lot with one guitar on its own, never mind a rhythm section. If you have a rhythm section and an electric guitar, you have more than enough to be going on with.

the pinefox, Friday, 29 April 2011 08:42 (fourteen years ago)

(That theme is a small detail, to be sure - never mind IM's theories of Western Civilization etc)

the pinefox, Friday, 29 April 2011 08:43 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

slate has been posting a bunch of excerpts from 'revolution in the head' as part of a beatles series. not really doing more than skimming most of them since i'm way overdue for a reread anyway, but this one's a good reminder that iMac wrote about the beatles better than just about anyone:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/12/03/the_beatles_love_me_do_rises_up_the_charts_blogging_the_beatles_50_years.html

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:29 (twelve years ago)


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