Office robotism

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Do you buy into the twee ideas of 9-5 office work being soul crushing and generally an awful thing?

It struck me yesterday that offices are almost a perfect antithesis of the whole rave thing, lots of people who barely know each other not speaking about each other or showing empathy or even allowing any conversation you might get attached to or care about to take place.

The sheer volume of people communicating in a day without ever caring who they're talking to since it's about work is scary when you think about it.

Further to that offices themselves are so devoid of any single thing a human being could care about or feel attached to, hence, I guess, the pictures of relatives etc stuck to peoples cubicles.

In a way I think back to my school days and it was a bit like this too.

Is this all twee nonsense or a real thing? And if so how do you overcome it? What are the solutions? Is there a way around it for you?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see it as an awful thing at all. I need routine in my life, and if working is what I have to do then I'm quite happy to do it within these criteria.

That said, I *love* working from home, and any chance I get, I'll take it.

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is a bit hippy, I blame Glastonbury, but seriously don't you ever speak to someone for half an hour about oil rebates (or whatever) and think I wonder what their life is like?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Their life is probably like yours - once they get out of that environment, they're fully functioning, pleasant people who enjoy their leisure time.

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but that's no description of someone Mark!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

There are offices and offices Ronan. The first office I worked in was terrific - really friendly, lots of good people, lots of jokes, but still getting actual work done and not much politics. I've come to realise that was probably the best it's ever going to get, though, but if you find something like that stick with it. Everywhere else I've worked is a bit soulless - but to be fair if you make the social effort you'll get on fine, it's just I can't be bothered and so I dick about on the net instead.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

lots of people who barely know each other not speaking about each other or showing empathy or even allowing any conversation you might get attached to or care about to take place

That'll be at 6 am after the rave has finished then, in my general albeit long-gone experience.

My schooldays were great, though; the complete antithesis of the whole office thing, which only makes me grateful that I have my own office so I don't really have to get involved. I admit that this may be part of the underlying problem.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 29 August 2003 09:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh the people are ok really, there are jokes and stuff, it's more the notion of people working all day and communicating info which only matters for the purposes of making money or doing a job which kind of interests me.

It doesn't really upset me, I'm here for 3 more weeks or something, I just think it would be impossible to do for a long time. The bank was slightly worse, very pokey and only 11 people so very easy to get irritated. Also the environment created by hearing people talk about money and by having yourself berated by customers about money all day is kind of eerie.

More hippyism I guess, I think even the social exchanges are kind of forced, like they seem to follow patterns of holiday/football/haircuts and nothing else, yet I don't think the people involved are boring or anything, they seem nice.


(Marcello usually it takes till at least 9! you forgot the afterparty)

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

It also helps if you're actually interested in what you're working on. Market Research is quite good for that in a super-shallow way, there's always new survey results to look at and you're usually juggling 5 or 6 jobs at once so when you're bored of talking about Nigerian Toothpaste you can switch to Estonian Contraceptives with ease.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I would say that is true, even having a qualification and a proper role involves you more undoubtedly. Lots of people who work in offices don't though I guess.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan needs to come and work in my office.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think to keep my sanity I have to NOT feel like my time in the office is soul-destroying, because after all I'm there 9 - 6 (6.30 at the moment urgh) and that's a big chunk of my day. So I make myself enjoy it, to a point.

I have good conversations at work, occasionally. But I do most of my meaningful communicating on the net in one way or another I guess. I don't have a problem with needing a separate, boring, mode of interaction for work; it's just necessary.

Mark's right, people leave work and go home to lives just as rich and weird and interesting as mine, of course they do.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I now count at least 6 or 7 of the workmates at my current place as among my closest friends ever. It's amazing how much better it makes your working life, even when things are really shit.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, if you have the slightest feeling that the people you're working with are pleasant enough, there's a lot to be said for midweek after-work drinking.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I have lots of friends for lots of different offices, and I sometimes think people force this work hatred to equal hatred of everything to do with work (ie colleagues). Also people who feel that they are too good for, or not cut out for office work find themselves often playing the role of what they think an office worker is like. This is therefore not actually their personality which makes it impossible for them to socialise because they are living a lie*.

I have liked a lot of the office work I have done, but I've been pretty lucky.

*Nothing wrong with this in principle.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

work and life. church and state

gareth (gareth), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Business at the front, party at the back.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes the colleagues are part of the hatred maybe?

By the way when I said "I wonder what their lives are like" I was totally implying that they have an interesting leisure time etc, that was the entire point I was making!

I think it's a sensitive thing in a way, in the bank I used to just want to walk out when someone would get really pissy on the phone. I also find it hard to be funny at work or be myself.

Does anyone else find wearing formal clothes really affects their confidence?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

in time you will get used to it. working in offices that is, not formal clothing.

angela (angela), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

No I won't, I assure you. (and myself)

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

bear in mind this is my third summer doing it

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

when you know it's just for a few months there's no need to make an adjustment. once it becomes permanent you either adjust and stop thinking about the time-wasting ridiculousness of it all, or go mad, MAD i tell you!!!

angela (angela), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I don't really plan an adjustment, I wasn't starting a problem thread, I just wanted to see what people thought.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It struck me yesterday that offices are almost a perfect antithesis of the whole rave thing, lots of people who barely know each other not speaking about each other or showing empathy or even allowing any conversation you might get attached to or care about to take place.

You are confusing offices with indie clubs.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, or college.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

No, they both have crap music.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

sometimes i've worked in places where i've clicked with the other people there and cared about what i was doing so the time spent in work passed easily and seemed worthwhile. other times i haven't had much in common with my co-workers and have found the work pointless but it paid the bills.

when i started working i found the whole experience as odd as could be, now i really have got used to it and hardly ever think about it at all. i am robot-angela.

angela (angela), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

wearing a cool suit is one of the good things about work. i dont, however, wear a suit, or any formal clothing for that matter

gareth (gareth), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

++Does anyone else find wearing formal clothes really affects their confidence

yeah, it took me a while to get over this. something about having to tuck in my shirt eats away at my ego.

in my office, i know way too much about co-workers real lives. most of it is all the same. making babies, buying houses, vacations, spouse complaints, the red sox...
why do they speak to me when i have my headphones on??

kephm, Friday, 29 August 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i think there's a conflict between the ideas of "job" and "work". a job is what you go during the day(usually) to pays the bills. However, your life's work can be something very different.

i guess it has to do with how much you identify with your vocation. for me, personally, very little right now.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't actually mind the 9-5-ness of my job. I'm not terribly enamoured with the job itself, but I will probably remain in the 9-5 routine forever. I kind of like the routine of it, however I don't like some of the people I am stuck there with at the moment.

However I guess I'm quite lucky in that I have a fairly pleasant life outside of work, so the job is a means to an end and something I have to do to make my life outside of it better. I can get through the drudgery and the banality and whatever because it's not the main thing in my life, even if it does take up the most time. The quality of the time I spent outside of it is infinitely better than it would be if I had no job at all, and I would rather have evenings and weekends with money and a reasonable standard of living than spend all day at home impoverished and bored.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I always found it difficult to gauge the seriousness level of work-related conversation. If you took it *too* seriously it felt like being condescending and implying that their stupid jobs were all they had going for them, if not seriously enough it felt like you were openly laughing at them. Actually take the job seriously? Never entered my mind. I mean, how can you? It's just people pushing bits of paper around.

dave q, Friday, 29 August 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Solution: work in a small business where people cuss and eat all day ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Solution: work in a library! No suits!

Though, I was on my own today, and I could feel the library slowly choking the life out of me. Or, maybe I just ate something bad.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I recently proposed the idea of 'dress up Fridays' at my job. It didn't meet with much enthusiasm.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh that would be fun! work is always better if you're swishing around in a ball gown!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

eh, not always, in my experience

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I have been working in offices most of my adult life. I don't really recognise much of what is said here. I've been in the current office for four years, and I find it a very pleasant place to work. I'm not saving any lives or anything like that, but I'm making a real though small contribution towards a university running well. My colleagues are pleasant, professional, intelligent, helpful and about as good as I can hope for. I'm not terribly close friends with any of them, though the conversations go well beyond the superficial with a few.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 August 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I am in the same boat as someone before who said something.. I know everything about the 4 or 5 people that I work with, disturbingly so. Somehow I always manage to get the information I neither care to know and because of my empathetic nature I know not what to do with said information but carry it around like a sack of excrement for a while after I leave work.
My supervisor is an extremely depressed middle aged woman having trouble with her Hormone replacement therapy, she has residual aggression about her relationship with her father, who used to beat her brother,she was adopted, she feels our boss is like her father in some ways,similar name similar unloving personality...
thats the short version and just one person. welcome to my pain chamber.
I am compassionate I am kind *breathes out slowly*

ayemee, Sunday, 31 August 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

You need to be rude with these people. * came up to me yesterday morning and said "want to know what I found in my bed last night?" and I said no. And turned away. Before, when I was compassionate I would have wasted an hour on whatever madness that was about and gone home feeling slightly ill.

But having said that I really don't think 9-5 is killing my soul. This may be because I have a worthwhile job and my coworkers are mostly interesting people.

In truth, I prefer having a well-informed discussion regarding some work issue about which I can really make a difference, than a lot of the mundane blather (nice weather we're having, pity about the war) than happens when you're 'socialising'.

isadora (isadora), Sunday, 31 August 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)


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