MTV VMAs...and then they all lez up.

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You know what I'm talking about. The show climaxed in the opening sequence. I imagine some teenage boys might have as well.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I kept expecting Eminem and 50 Cent to lez it up, since they were being so cuddly with each other and talked about "holding each other's moon men". Ahem.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, Eminem upsatged by puppet...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39457000/jpg/_39457327_eminem_puppet200.jpg

AGAIN (cf Bob the Builder)

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030829/lthumb.sge.utz13.290803141838.photo01.default-299x327.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

that only would've been cool if they had thrown Ally's sister in the mix.
(sorry, last time, I promise)

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

holding each other's moon men

In space nobody can hear you fuck.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030829/mdf348490.jpg

i think i rather like this pic.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I like her better as a raven-haired skank than a blonde one.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

My predictable liberal self still finds it deeply annoying that the str8 world is all "oooh girls kissin' rite on" but practically trips over itself on the way to the exit when the boys start gettin' they mack on with one another

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030829/i/1062124875.3691249789.jpg

oh! you said, "MACK on", not "SMACK on."

my mistake.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030829/i/1062166397.2282111008.jpg

Is this close?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be sorry I missed this if I didn't have such a great night otherwise. And also the fact that they're going to show it on repeat for the next 1,457 hours straight.

― Ally-zay (mlescaut), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi John. I played "The Best Ever Death Metal Band In Denton" on my radio show yesterday. Because I was listening to it the other night and that line about "when you lock someone up for dreaming their dream, don't expect them to thank or forgive you" really hit me hard. So whatever, thanks.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Justin Timberlake in auditioning for off-broadway revival of "Glengarry Glen Ross" SHOCKAH

(x-post)

Thanks Horace! I've had a really shitty coupla weeks and that means a lot to me

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

JT looks coked out of his mind there.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

As Duran look on remembering, "Yes, we were like that once."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20030829/mdf348456.jpg

nice that the folks at Yahoo/AP Photo were good enough to include a large version of the pic so that we can see everything, warts & tongue & all.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude this woulda sucked if it didn't look like Britney loved it.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

what. ever.
look at their body language. that's not how people kiss when they're enjoying. people use their hands. only androids kiss with just their mouths.
Ladies, back me up here.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

*chirping crickets*

― ModJ, Friday, 29 August 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it can be really sexy to kiss someone when the only parts touching are your lips. Mmm.

(but yes, by and large you're right. There's precious little groin-grinding going on)

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it can be really sexy to kiss someone when the only parts touching are your lips. Mmm.
maybe if you're kissing your grandma...oh wait...

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Xtina did all the groin-grinding. I think Madge stipulated that, if they were to all lez up, they had to share duties; Titney on the tongues, Xtina on the drrrrty.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

when will you people understand that there is a T at the end of X???

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Justin Timberlake in auditioning for off-broadway revival of "Glengarry Glen Ross" SHOCKAH

Bahahahahaha

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

when will you people understand that there is a T at the end of X???

Dude I haven't been this confused since they booked The Ween show in the same venue as the Drag Queen Awards last year; what are you on about here?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, should we be spelling it Xina? Is that what you're saying? But then she's a warrior princess!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

those 2 making out is akin to 2 high school girls wanting attention at a party.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

people are always writing "Xtina" with the X in place of Christ, like Xmas. But they're adding a T. So what they're actually writing is ChrisTTina, which is bullshit. Bullshit I tell you!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

those 2 making out is akin to 2 high school girls wanting attention at a party.
dyson has unlocked the secret of pop culture. really. I'm not joking or making fun.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

you pronounce 'christmas' 'krist-mass'??

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

ChrisOTTtina

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Some secret.

Anyway it's a better photo op without the arms and hands getting in the way to clutter everything.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

the cloths clutter thing too much if you ask me

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

FOUND IT!

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030829/i/1062117972.3489931381.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

so do clothes.

― ModJ, Friday, 29 August 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

just go to yahoo most emailed photos

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it was a subversion of trad gender roles, a parody of the queer marriage band wagon and a weird elekra complex thing

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

what's with the photo in the middle of this page?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Anth, don't you think two female performers lezzing up for the amusement of the (male) audience is a traditional gender role?

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030829/capt.1062132018.mtv_awards_nyr176.jpg

now that would have been something!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

God, they are so NOT femme.

― ModJ, Friday, 29 August 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

modj; i hate people like u - cloths/clothes - gimme a break, i'm at work and typing fast so as to not get caught. and you're right about those 2, they belong on a rugby team together.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Not even Rugby. Like, Slamball or some shit.

― ModJ, Friday, 29 August 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, Slamball, but with mud.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

or Baby Oil. I'm easy like that.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

what's with the photo in the middle of this page?

Yes, `tis a bit disquietingly incongruous, no? It's also somewhat depressing how said image seems to have lost its inherent "shock value".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(RJG: it's in there because it accompanied the story of the emergency radio transcripts from the WTC collapse being released.)

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Wha! I didn't even know it was VMA time! They'll probably show it on Channel 4 in a few weeks, yay!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

watch me not make a joke that could be seen as being an bad taste.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

britney is wearing wedding white, madonna is butching it up in black, madonna assuming the male role and taking her student for "lessons" is really the kind of pervy we expect from boys.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

if by that you mean it was k-unimaginative, then yes.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i cant' decide what i thought of britney's vocal mannerisms rendered so obvious like that, singing someone else's song and then being followed by her biggest idol and nearest competitor.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, Eminem upsatged by puppet...
Does this mean he has to get into another pointless argument with Moby?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

chris piuma = right OTM. of course madonna's going to 'butch it up in black,' anthony, nothing surprising there -- she is in the male role (older, more experienced, "wiser") to xtina & britney's trad-trophy wife roles. (for some reason i'm getting a mental image of xtina and britney as two bunny lebowskis, you know?) there was nothing surprising about it at all, and less than nothing subversive about it (pop chiclets in pg-13 vividian shocker)

also, eminem's sub-sandlerian anger management schtick = the shark, it has been jumped.

― maura (maura), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the moment I figured out that was Xtina I realized they must've turned her microphone way, way, way down so she didn't make the others sound terrible. the bit was wrecked straightaway by Madonna's flubbing of the first NOTES of that Hollywood song. eep!

I thought Eminem was funny, and it's strange b/c there's no way that bit should've been funny, but it worked.

― daria g (daria g), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it was funny in that context b/c eminem actually tried a bit and showed some comic timing. as opposed to many of the other scripted "jokes," whose meager humor was flattened by poor readings.

as for that opening threesome, i don't think the iconography was especially well thought-out.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it just me, or doesn't everyone think Madonna needs to stop flogging the stillborn "Hollywood" single?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Madonna has only had one good song in the last 5 years, and that's the Gap advert song.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

jel you are no longer the king of pop

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

can I be the king of pop now?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

as for that opening threesome, i don't think the iconography was especially well thought-out.

ha, maybe we can get them to issue an apology for that

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"we deeply regret the facile iconography in the opening number. in the future mtv will consult with leading lights in the discipline of cultural studies before planning costuming and choreography."

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Copresenting the award for best use of iconography in music video dance number...Northrop Frye and Johnny Knoxville.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

it's still just the tired old "softcore is subversive" meme until guys with beards get to kiss on American TV, which won't be happening, because these moments are all about the hetero male gaze, which is why the whole thing registers a big "cute, but why wouldn't I just watch porn instead?"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

j0hn, there have been man/man kisses on mtv awards shows too, i think. but they have had "goofy" marks around them, where the lesbian stuff has the cheesy solemnity of, as you say, soft core porn.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

'and lo, thousands of boners were born'

― maura (maura), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah amateurist that's my point - the whole "girls kissing = HOTT!!!" whistle whistle wolf-call wolf-call biz is not only not subversive (i.e., about as un-queer as you can get), but deeply conservative. Madonna kissing Missy Elliot might be a different matter, but Madonna kisses Britney = "Where The Boys Aren't, Part VIII: Island of the Straight MTV Director With A Vision"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

doesn't this line of argument presume that someone put in the kiss because they figured it was daring or subversive?

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Madonna to thread

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

but to answer you, no. It's a reading, not a "if they did it for this reason, fine, if for other reasons, not fine" thing. Though it does seem a little blinkered to imagine that this wasn't rehearsed, discussed in pre-VMA mtgs., etc, especially considering that it's Maddy involved, who micromanages her every gesture

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

where the lesbian stuff has the cheesy solemnity of, as you say, soft core porn.
No saw the video here and decided it was merely a passionless business transaction.
As spontaneous and irreverent as the Japanese tea ceremony.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

tea ceremonies are awesome, this was no tea ceremony.

― amateurisy (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

but the look on Justin Timberlakes face was hilarious.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

hiroshi teshigahara to thread.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

what?! he had no look! it was kushelov playing tricks on you, custos.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a really good kiss for Britney & Xtina to have done, I think. The style of kiss that is. A half-intensity open-mouthed, brush off, intimate, speed-said 'I love you, but'. If B & C had kissed, in that manner, ie not the deep-throat forced long kiss or the peck, but this style, so intimate and quick it would have hinted at weird shared emotions and relationship that would have kinda made my mind quake trying to unravel exactly what was meant by it. Obviously, I would know it was contrived but it would still look weird convincing. Whereas, M & B + M & C - I dunno, something's sticking with me when I try 'read' it, like it's some sort of motherly kiss (a bird dropping worms in its chicks beak), affectionate not sexy.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(Michael Daddino OTM, then.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Bearded man kissing on MTV = Dave Navarro, right?

― J (Jay), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I felt the creeping racism when I saw Missy come onstage in some pseudo-Stepin Fetchit lawn jockey. How come she can't get it on with the aging harridan like the two white girls?

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

what?! he had no look! it was kushelov playing tricks on you, custos.
Kushelov?
(*googling for name...*)
Check out the video I hyperlinked to. Look at his eyes. He is an unhappy camper.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

less racism than lookism is my point, though that there is a losing battle to beat all losing battles

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

ah mark! :(

I was just being EVIL.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Depends on what you consider a "battle".

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

but Missy doesn't even like Madonna. Don't you read popbitch??

all "this = lame" posters otm. it's the tatu precedent.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Somebody wake me up when and if they ever get up to the "heavy petting" part of the show.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

custos is our own neil hamburger.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't exactly consider the "lezzing up" moment that great, contrary to my possibly-slightly-sarcastic-but-sometimes-I-can't-even-tell-anymore earlier comments (on this and other threads, 'specially on ILM), but it was by far the most (ie 'only') interesting thing to happen all night on that show.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed the show -- weren't the kisses jsut part of the choreography? And totally undeserving of the attention they're getting? And thereby just another way to show that the VMA's are boring?

― J (Jay), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

that's right! I forgot that she gave Madge the Heisman during the Gap ad shoot. Faux pas par moi.

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ts: pretend lesbianism vs pretend boredom

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

vs sincere condescension

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

God bless the internet.

http://www.you-are-a-huge-nerd.com/public/freepix/britmadonna.gif

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Was that directed at me, amt? I really wasn't trying to be a jerk!

― J (Jay), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.tiiite.com/pics/justin-owned.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

custos is our own neil hamburger.
Thenk yeeu, thenk yeeu...you've been a wonderful audience...please drive safely!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 30 August 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

See! I told you he's an unhappy camper!
Does that camper look happy? Nooooooeeeuuwwwwhhh!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 30 August 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoever is behind him doesn't like thrilled either... hahaha

― The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Saturday, 30 August 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that Justin looks like a mean wiry OC racist skinhead disturbs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 30 August 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

that's either mary j blige or halle berry with anohter hair experiment

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure it's Blige, but with peroxide.
She does look a bit ill.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

daily mail finally gets round to investigating the lezzing up phenomenon:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1196636/Lipstick-lesbians-How-kiss-sparked-teenage-trend-disturb-parent.html

― joe, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 11:19 (sixteen years ago)

on katy perry: "Internet message boards in the U.S. were overloaded as mothers panicked about their daughters' slumber parties turning into vast, experimental orgies."

― joe, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 11:22 (sixteen years ago)

if only

― real men love cheeses (latebloomer), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 11:24 (sixteen years ago)

Thank fuck they didn't use this as an excuse to post lots of pictures of hot chix.

Also: Sarah Harding, left, and Nicola Roberts, the lesser known members of Girls Aloud

― Milijas now living will never die (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 11:24 (sixteen years ago)

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