Feeling Old

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For those of you -- like myself -- especially feeling the passage of time.

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Just in case you weren't feeling old enough today, this will certainly
change things. Each year the staff at Beloit College in Wisconsin puts
together a list to try to give the Faculty a sense of the mindset of this
year's incoming freshman.

Here is the 2003 year's list:

The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born in
1985.

They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan Era and probably did not
know he had ever been shot.

They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged.

They were 8 when the Soviet Union broke apart and do not remember the Cold
War.

There has been only one Pope in their lifetime.

They are too young to remember the space shuttle Challenger blowing up.

Tianamen Square means nothing to them.

Bottle caps have always been screw off and plastic.

Atari predates them, as do vinyl albums. They have likely never played Pac
Man and have never heard of Pong.

They have never owned a record player. The statement "You sound like a
broken record" means nothing to them. They may have never heard of an 8
track. The Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1 year old.

They have always had an answering machine.

Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have they seen a
black and white TV. They have always had cable. There have always been
VCRs, but they have no idea what BETA was. They cannot fathom not having a
remote control.

They don't know what a cloth baby diaper is, or know about the "Help me,
I've fallen and I can't get up" commercial.

Feeling old Yet? There's more:

They were born the year that the Walkman was introduced by Sony.

Roller skating has always meant inline for them.

Michael Jackson has always been white.

Jay Leno has always been on the Tonight Show.

They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool.

Popcorn has always been cooked in the microwave.

They have never seen Larry Bird play.

They never took a swim and thought about Jaws.

The Vietnam War is as much ancient history to them as W.W.I, W.W.II and the
Civil War.

They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran.

They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are.

They don't know who Mork was or where he was from. (The correct answer, by
the way, is Ork)

They never heard: "Where's the beef?", "I'd walk a mile for a Camel," or "De
plane, Boss, de plane!" They do not care who shot J.R. and have no idea who
JR was.

Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America, and Alabama are places, not bands. There
has always been MTV.

They don't have a clue how to use a typewriter.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I somehow reckon some of those people would know some of those things.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's a bit generalised. I mean, wax cylinders had gone way before my time, but I think I'd sussed their existence by the time I finished school.

Also, have they got no TVs? Who doesn't know about Jaws by the age of 18?

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Son did you know Americans were once held hostage in Iran"


"NOT IRAN, IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH A FRIENDLY AMERICAN LOVING PLACE"

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(sorry Alex)

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

also Live Aid happened in July 85.

Some of these new uni / college starters were not even born when Killing Joke - Night Time was released, Alex.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I am building a time machine so I can go back and live in 1976, so this is not a problem.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of these new uni / college starters were not even born when Killing Joke - Night Time was released, Alex.

I know,....fucking sickening, eh?

Hey, I didn't write the thing. Someone just sent it to me, and I thought there were some interesting points in it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

This morning I had to drive into Boston to pay an excise tax bill. This is a big college move in weekend for freshman. So I took the route directly through BU's campus. I tried to be cool, rolling the windows down and playing some hot rap tunes. I even tried the head bob. Then I realized I was a 28yr old married man with a beer gut a pimple on his cheek and ten years older than half these kids. I immediately switched my station to a Phil Collins track and rolled up the windows and decided to cruise the business district.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I am building a time machine so I can go back and live in 1976, so this is not a problem.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008WJEP.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

or

http://www.planetboom.com/posters/kiss_76spirit.jpg

Choose WISELY.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

]Then I realized I was a 28yr old married man with a beer gut a pimple on his cheek and ten years older than half these kids.


It's that pimple that keeps you young!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

In that case I'm set for life.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

this is silly.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep thinking I'm 28! Oh well.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

FIFTY YEARRSS OOOOOLD!!!! FIFTY YEEEEEEEEEARRS OOOLD!!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm the same age as Alex. I don't feel old yet, but I don't feel like a teenager either.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't ever set foot in an electroclash show, you'll hide in the bathroom the whole time then walk out and shoot yourself in the face (I had to be there, I needed to see the punk band that headlined).

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh gosh, it is right to feel completely and utterly ancient now that I've read this, even though I'm only about old enough to be an incoming freshman's older sister?

Oh, don't mind me, dearest grandchildren. I'm just rambling on. You run outside and play now, ok? My stars, where ever did I leave my pill box....

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I got carded the other day but I really think the cashier was just flirting with me. He was 17 though, so hey!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I got carded too - I was out with my best friend and her parents and her parents and I ordered beer - the waitress looked at me and said, well, I have to ask...

I was secretly delighted, even if she was just trying to be flattering.

luna (luna.c), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to read your article over the weekend, Ann!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I know all of those except the Jordache jeans thing.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 29 August 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I taught "Paul Revere's Ride" by Longfellow today and not one kid in any class could tell me the year we declared indpendance. Most of them guessed between 1820-1860. The first time I heard that I asked 'well when do you think we abolished slaver?" thinking perhaps that had might have been taught at home more, little closer to the bone etc. Again, no idea.

I told them they should be ashamed of themselves and one said "we've never been taught!" I said, "well I'm teaching you now so remember! okay?"

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 29 August 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

okay i just realized this wasn't appropos to feeling old (unless yr abraham lincoln.) just a 'can't believe kids are so clueless' shocker. . .

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 29 August 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey! I´m only 20, and I´ve got chronic bronchitis! It ain´t all bad!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

[/cynicism]

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

They're off by about half a decade on the CD introduction too. I had one by then and I'm a late-adopter of technology (ie, cheap bastard). I had a sub to High Fidelity in 79-81 or so and they reviewed CD players then. Very expensive (disks too), but available to the general public.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

They're not off by that much, as far as things becoming common ... CDs weren't even sold in my area until sometime in high school (1989-1993), and I didn't make the switch until 1994.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I was surprised tonight that Ally C had never heard The Voice of the Beehive's Don't Call Me Baby (which was playing in the club at the time). He said he knew them but not that song. I said it was their most famous song. He thought about it a while and said "I thought Birdhouse In Your Soul was their most famous song". That made me feel a bit old. Earlier he had said "How old are you?" in a disparaging way when I did an over-literal dance move involving a loaded gun.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

he said that???

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

He was kind of drunk.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

When I hired a girl and her date of birth was 1987. Then I felt old. Really fucking old [/Lynskey]

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I was kinda drunk.

I hope N. never gets properly old, as without realising it he spurs me on to try and out-dance him. It's a lot of fun.

CDs were introduced in 1982 I think, not 1986.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

None of this makes me feel old, and I date back to the '50s!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 30 August 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I was asked for ID for cigarrettes yesterday and I'm 23 in less than a month. I bet I get like that dude of REM who spent half his life looking like a 16 year old and then suddenly changed into a 67 year old man.

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 30 August 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

They have never owned a record player. The statement "You sound like a broken record" means nothing to them.

You'd have to be VERY out of touch to not know what a vinyl record is even if you're ten years old.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 30 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

My perceptions of the '70s, '80s, and much of the '90s are based purely upon stereotypes and vague cultural references.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 30 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to gauge college kids' age with regards to Star Wars movies. "Man...freshmen are younger than The Empire Strikes Back!" etc. But that game is all over...The Return of the Jedi came out in 1983. It will really be depressing when I start playing that game with The Phantom Menace, etc.

I'm picturing crestfallen professors reading that email and thinking, "Well damn, I thought all my 'Where's the beef?' jokes would nicely break the ice with my students."

Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 30 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There was an end of school dance last year and the following morning I asked my kids who was supplying the music. They said there was a DJ playing "those big, black CDs".

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Saturday, 30 August 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, now I feel old (but happy).

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 30 August 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"those big, black CDs"

PMRC to thread!! Jesus!

animal wrangler (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 30 August 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

Scenes from the end of the world, #432

Int. Spiders, a popular goth nightclub with National Trust status in light of its not having changed since 1985.

Noodle is standing at the bar next to a teeny tiny girl wearing braces

Girl: How old are you?
Noodle: Too old
Girl: Yeah I was going to say that (smiles)
Noodle: I'm 41
Girl: Oh my god that's how old my dad is!
Noodle: Yeah cheers that's not making me feel any better

We Built This City on a Small Industrial Slum in Los Angeles (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 December 2009 11:13 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Today my husband and I realized we are A YEAR away from 40 (instead of thinking we were turning 40 this years). Which made us smile. "WE HAVE A YEAR! SO LONG! HURRAH!" lololol

To be honest, I don't really think about it.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

I didn't start thinking about it until I was 37 or 38, which is about ten years later than most people seem to start feeling the years drag on.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 19:29 (fourteen years ago)

This morning I had my bung knee strapped up and it needs an xray. This afternoon I am off to the ENT for hearing tests and ear exams.

BOY HOWDY IS THIS FUN.

zooey bechamel (Trayce), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:16 (fourteen years ago)

my back has been hurting!

iatee, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:17 (fourteen years ago)

young people never have back pain

iatee, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:18 (fourteen years ago)

Hangovers really blow when you get older. Oh boy.

zooey bechamel (Trayce), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:19 (fourteen years ago)

(mind u, I can hold my drink a lot better than i could then)

zooey bechamel (Trayce), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:20 (fourteen years ago)

Mine only lasts about three or four hours. I wonder why? Or is it that I haven't been drinking as long as most people my age?

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 06:37 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2013/04/genwired/

H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 13:34 (twelve years ago)

comments fairly u+k

H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 13:36 (twelve years ago)

They have always had an answering machine.

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 13:38 (twelve years ago)

Her self-display might be considered ingenuous if she were planning to be, say, a nurse, but as a Parsons junior who wants to work in “design management, strategy, and branding,” she knows what she’s doing. “I work hard to maintain a staunchly hip online persona,” which she monitors on Klout, a service that measures followers, retweets, and other signifiers of web influence.

/delete world

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 13:45 (twelve years ago)

To be 20 is to wonder why you haven’t received a response to your latest message, to live in fear that your sarcasm was misunderstood.

happens to me as i approach my 40s, bet it happened 200 years ago when hip young things didn't receive a reply to their letter the same day.

check your privy (ledge), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 13:50 (twelve years ago)

oh yeah, like somebody's gonna misunderstand my sarcasm

H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 14:25 (twelve years ago)

"Feeling Old"

It's my birthday today and I don't feel old even if I am

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 15:09 (twelve years ago)

I simultaneously feel old, because I am old**, and feel great, because it has been decades since my life felt as good to me as it does today. I have more freedom from worry atm than ever before. otoh, there is no denying my body is no longer as resilient as it was even a decade ago. Luckily for me, that creeping decrepitude is only relative and my absolute decriptude is still some distance away.

As for my attractiveness to young women, that first harbinger of age... it has def crossed the line into "cute like my grandpa" territory.

**technically I am not yet 60, so I haven't quite crossed the threshhold from middle-aged to old, but I am pushing 60 pretty hard.

Aimless, Wednesday, 17 April 2013 18:07 (twelve years ago)

eight years pass...

Whenever I read CRT my first thought is still cathode ray tube

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Thursday, 11 November 2021 05:34 (four years ago)

Luckily for me, that creeping decrepitude is only relative and my absolute decrepitude is still some distance away.

At 67 I've taken several moderate, but unmistakable strides toward decrepitude since I wrote that in 2013. Mainly... feeling older because I'm more tired.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 11 November 2021 06:03 (four years ago)

It's only very recently that I've started to feel conscious of my age. For so long I felt immature, as though I still had a way to go before I was fully fledged enough to be an adult. The "pausing" of life during lockdown has really hit home. I go out on the weekends now and often feel like the oldest person in the room. I've always been a young soul. I'm not ready to move to the suburbs and live a quiet life, but other than my immediate group of friends it can feel like I'm out of place. If I go out to a club or a gig, I have to remind myself of when I was younger and would see older people out and imagine them as "seasoned elders"; people who had lived through the scene and were still enjoying it, which I am.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2021 10:18 (four years ago)

I sometimes wonder if position in the family order also influences how old we feel. I’m the youngest of 5 and often had a default sense of being the youngest in gatherings even when that wasn’t the case. It took a while to grow out of this.

Luna Schlosser, Thursday, 11 November 2021 11:08 (four years ago)

I imagine people who have had to move back to the family home or a parent’s home during covid will feel quite mixed up, as if their maturity has been snatched away.

Luna Schlosser, Thursday, 11 November 2021 11:11 (four years ago)

Very very likely. My (recent) ex had to do this and it was very tough on her

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 11 November 2021 12:31 (four years ago)

I have a younger sibbling (in their mid 40s) who has lived with my mother more or less constantly and still does. I feel like they (sibbling) have in a way been afforded adult status since they were a teenager without too much parental judgment while my parents continue to have an infantilising view of me. I don't know why exactly, I suppose I was the first born. I know my mother just never understood or in some sense forgave my moving out of home when I was 19. I know it can be tough for parents but I needed indpendance (I had been working full time for several years already) and that's a perfectly normal age at which to need that. My parents also separated nearly 40 years ago now but have remained living close to each other and neither have visibly had a significant relationship with someone else.

I've been struggling (internally) with how to approach my relationships with all of them and more recently have stopped having contact because it's so hard to find a place in all that at the age I am. It's not for me to judge but I feel like they are and have been "stuck." I wish that my sibbling would move out, for their sake but also selfishly because I feel it would allow me to have adult relationships with them and with my mother. I'd like that to have happened decades ago. I dunno, this probably isn't relevant for the thread, just wonder if that makes any kind of sense written down. Innevitably there is all sorts of context missing.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 11 November 2021 13:12 (four years ago)

Probably a further derailing: but in a recent conversation with my eldest sister who is in her 60s, she referred to our (deceased) parents as “the adults” and gave their views greater weight, and I realised she still feels somewhat infantilised.

This business of “maturity” is more complex than it looks.

Luna Schlosser, Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:11 (four years ago)

I have a younger sibbling (in their mid 40s) who has lived with my mother more or less constantly and still does. I feel like they (sibbling) have in a way been afforded adult status since they were a teenager without too much parental judgment while my parents continue to have an infantilising view of me. I don't know why exactly, I suppose I was the first born. I know my mother just never understood or in some sense forgave my moving out of home when I was 19. I know it can be tough for parents but I needed indpendance (I had been working full time for several years already) and that's a perfectly normal age at which to need that. My parents also separated nearly 40 years ago now but have remained living close to each other and neither have visibly had a significant relationship with someone else.

I've been struggling (internally) with how to approach my relationships with all of them and more recently have stopped having contact because it's so hard to find a place in all that at the age I am. It's not for me to judge but I feel like they are and have been "stuck." I wish that my sibbling would move out, for their sake but also selfishly because I feel it would allow me to have adult relationships with them and with my mother. I'd like that to have happened decades ago. I dunno, this probably isn't relevant for the thread, just wonder if that makes any kind of sense written down. Innevitably there is all sorts of context missing.

― Noel Emits, Thursday, November 11, 2021 1:12 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i just want to sound a note of support. it's really hard to set the boundaries and afford yourself the space you need when you're dealing with this kind of dynamic - parents who "need" instead of "love". i hope it isn't too forward to suggest looking at "drama of the gifted child" by alice miller.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:20 (four years ago)


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