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What's the history of these two states being the first states to have caucuses (cauci?) and primaries? Just arbitrary?

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 30 August 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

How long till they start?

Ed (dali), Saturday, 30 August 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know the history, but I do know the schedule...

Jan. 13 - DC
Jan. 19 - Iowa
Jan. 27 - New Hampshire
Feb. 3 - "Super Tuesday" (South Carolina, Arizona, more)
Feb. 7 - Michigan, Washington

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 30 August 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My answer from ILM:

New Hampshire: back inna day -- way, way back inna day -- they set the primary early to coincide with Town Meeting day (possibly it was the town meeting for just one town, like Concord; towns don't have their town meetings all on the same day anymore). After people started making such a big deal out of it being early, it was put into the state constitution that the NH primary will take place before any other: if some other state up and reschedules theirs, the NH automatically gets rescheduled so it's still first.

Iowa gets around that because theirs is a caucus, not a primary.

You would not believe what a big deal this all is up there.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 30 August 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

After people started making such a big deal out of it being early, it was put into the state constitution that the NH primary will take place before any other: if some other state up and reschedules theirs, the NH automatically gets rescheduled so it's still first.

Has there never been a primary start date war between states then? For example..

"Fuck you, New Hampshire, and your chichi state constitution, Ohio's gonna muthafuckin roll this ball a month before all'z yall snailbait in your hills o' freedom or whatever you wanna call your dirt mounds"

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 30 August 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, yeah, supposedly there has. I don't know the specifics -- people used to grumble about it when I lived in NH -- but apparently there was at least one year when the NH primary kept having to be rescheduled because of other states who kept resheduling theirs. This might be the equivalent of a NH urban legend, though.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 30 August 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Was it always so early in the the year? IIRC from Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail '72 Super Tuesday was much earlier in the year.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 30 August 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm curious because i find it funny that the rest of the country allows New Hampshire this special privilege of being the first primary every time. While i don't think any other single state deserves the honor more, I think being first should, at least, alternate every election year, or something.

I wouldn't be concerned as much if it weren't for the fact that being first does have an effect of who gets to be the party nominee. (obviously not the deciding factor ultimately, but a much bigger factor than most other states are, thanks to the anxious media coverage)

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 30 August 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
Revive! only because given Kerry's popularity in Iowa and NH, and -- in retrospect -- seeing how great he turned out to be.. there needs to be a change. Fuck Iowa and New Hampshire.

FIRST CAUCUS/PRIMARY-OF-THE-ELECTION STATE WARS NOW!

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

there's almost no chance IA and NH are going to change. what is going to change is what happens after them. there's apparently going to be a big Western primary shortly after NH (or SC), perhaps composed of two or multiple states. there's also talking of moving the Michigan primary way up in the schedule.

anyway, who should IA and NH have chosen, other than Kerry?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

There was a bit on npr a while back, i think, about how some of the state constitutions have it set that their primaries are always so many more days ahead of the next one, e.g. move up ohio, and it automatically advances the others, etc.

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

What happens if every state passes this in their constitution? Who would vote against it in each state?

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Dunno. Pissing match?

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

anyway, who should IA and NH have chosen, other than Kerry?

Howard The Dean, maybe? Oh that's right.. he broke his voice when he was passionate once. bad candidate.

Granted, IA and NH don't always call the shots.. (Gary Hart, anyone?)

But why shouldn't the first caucus and primary alternate every election year?

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Dunno. Pissing match?

mmmm golden elections.

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Howard The Dean, maybe? Oh that's right.. he broke his voice when he was passionate once.

and, y'know, acted like a nut the rest of the time.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I realize that no matter which states have the first caucus or primary, that state is going to have more influence than the other states, given the hyper-media coverage surrounding elections today, and there's no way you can pass a law to limit the media coverage obviously. So you can never have a completely fair campaign independent of state influences.

But while I don't value any single state's choice over Iowa and New Hampshire each, it seems odd that these two states have been the first for every election. And I do think that, over time, having two relatively unpopulous states always seed the snowball of hype over candidates is a bit of a ridiculous dynamic. It would be ridiculous anyway, but why not make it somewhat less ridiculous? It wouldn't be hard.

and, y'know, acted like a nut the rest of the time.

Nuts or deadwood pretty much describe every presidential candidate ever.

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Dean broke his voice after he lost the caucus.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

i know that.. that was just some superfluous garnsh of cynicism. sorry.

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm not trying to say that both states choose shitty candidates.. I'm just stating that it seems unbalanced that the same two states seed campaign hype every election year... it would be unbalanced even if the initial primary/caucus states alternated anyway, but at least you wouldn't have this situation where presidential campaign headquarters have analysis books on just Iowa and New Hampshire alone.

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Everyone I know who went to the caucuses in Iowa talked about wanting to choose a candidate that could actually get votes across the board, hence the obnoxious consensus choices instead of going for the more emotional Dean or the less experienced Edwards, etc. I wish there was less of a "civic duty" angle and more of a "I really like this guy" angle.

That said, I predicted the top two from the caucuses a couple days before they happened -- probably a result of living around here for so long. Also, Iowa is disgustingly average -- we've got a small portion of really intellectual types, a lot of middle class suburbs with decent schools, and farms that are slowly creeping into factory territory. Being relatively unpopulous is probably a boon -- most of the country is less populous than Iowa!

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
Fun times in Iowa:

According to the Hotline, an online political newsletter, U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) has visited the Hawkeye State seven times since 2005. Massachusetts Republican Gov. Mitt Romney? Nine trips. Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.)? Ten.

Cox has bumped into other Republicans: Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at a fundraising dinner in New Hampshire in March, and New York Gov. George E. Pataki at an Iowa farmhouse in August. He missed Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee by six days on his most recent trip to South Carolina.

Cox also is traveling most of the same roads, and stopping at many of the same towns, as independent Joe "Average Joe" Schriner, an Ohio freelance writer and part-time handyman; Democrat Mike Gravel, a former U.S. senator from Alaska; and Dr. Mark I. Klein, a psychiatrist based in Oakland who describes himself as a GOP "grown-up for the White House."

Even Cox is a little bewildered by all the early action.

"Lock your doors and windows. There's going to be presidential candidates coming out of the woodwork," Cox says to Corrigan, as he hands her some glossy campaign literature.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Is anyone going to refute my original claim?

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK, fuck this. Fever dream 2007, make Washington state the first state to have a primary via voter initiative. Not applicable to Iowa (caucus), but I'm not going to let New Hampshire get all this attention too without a muthafuckin fight.

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

this should provide some answers re NH

apparently, both IA and NH took on national importance through single instances of kingmaking - NH with Eisenhower, and IA with Carter

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)


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