Mormons - Correct?

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Yesterday I did a dumb thing and drank lots of coffee after dinner and I still haven't had any sleep and I feel like a bag of dogshit. On a larger level, is the Mormon 'ALL drugs are equally bad' thing correct? I always thought the hard/soft distinction was a bit bogus but how wide does the continuum stretch?

dave q, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a interpretation based on the revelation called 'the Word of Wisdom' (a revelation is something equivalent to a papal bull but often with more immediate force) -- this page can tell you more. Some key points:

Word of Wisdom is the common title for a revelation that counsels Latter-day Saints on maintaining good health and is published as Doctrine and Covenants: section
89. The practice of abstaining from all forms of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea, which may outwardly distinguish active Latter-day Saints more than any other
practice, derives from this revelation.

Called "a Word of Wisdom" in the introduction, the revelation was given to Joseph Smith at Kirtland, Ohio, on February 27, 1833, when the School of the Prophets
was meeting at his home in the Whitney Store. It came in response to the Prophet's inquiry about tobacco, which was being used by some of the men attending the
school. The revelation states that it is specifically for the latter days because of "evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men" (D&C
89:4). The Word of Wisdom limited alcohol use to wine for the Sacrament and hard liquor for washing the body. It noted tobacco as useful only for treating bruises
and sick cattle. Hot drinks (later defined as coffee and tea) were not for "the body or belly" (D&C 89:9). Additional advice was given permitting the use of meat, but
suggesting that it be restricted to winter or times of famine (D&C 89:12-13). The revelation places strong emphasis on the use of grains, particularly wheat, as the
staple of the human diet (D&C 89:14, 16-17), and upon fruits and vegetables ("herbs" verse 11; cf. 59:17-18) in season. The Word of Wisdom also states that
some "herbs" are present on the earth for the healing of human ailments (D&C 89:8-11). Church members should not consume alcohol, tobacco, tea, or coffee and
should use moderation in eating other foods.

Those who follow this counsel and keep the other commandments of God are promised that they will have "health in their navel and marrow to their bones," "shall
run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint," "shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures," and "the destroying angel shall pass
by them…and not slay them" (D&C 89:18-21; cf. Dan. 1:3-20; 2:19-30).

So now you know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I'm genuinely disappointed. I thought this came from some abstract theoretical precept, not just another arbitrary (ie meaningless) 'list'. List threads are fine, lists of prohibited drugs annoy the shit out of me. Next time I feel like coffee before bedtime I'll make sure I have some new videos for once, I've already seen 'Maniac' about 30 times.

dave q, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"the destroying angel shall pass by them…and not slay them"

But why the elipse? What will the destroying angel do to them?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Things they're not proud of.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

point and laugh.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(angel of death = mistranslation for the guy with the killer weed)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Its not the angel of death though, its the destroying angel. Destroyer Angel would have been cooler.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

'some "herbs" are present on the earth for the healing of human ailments' you betcha

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, Destroyer Angel usedta play in a garage down the street from me. they SUCKED, especially with their cover of "Toys in the Attic."

then they all got jobs at Taco Bell and moved away.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

I have never seen Mormons have music or dance at a wedding reception, and I've been to a lot of Mormon weddings. This is strange!

mascara and ties (Abbott), Friday, 20 November 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

so no drinking, no music/dancing... uhm, what do they do instead

Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:22 (fifteen years ago)

trampolines/underwear

jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago)

i think they sit and stand around and eat bland food.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

apparently a certain Lee Greenwood hit recording was being broadcast from the belltower of a certain Utah state capitol building this morning

iiiijjjj, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:27 (fifteen years ago)

nude volleyball

mayor jingleberries, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:28 (fifteen years ago)

i haven't actually been to a Mormon wedding reception - and obviously haven't been to the special secret part of the wedding - but my soon-to-be ex-bf got to take home leftovers from his aunt's reception and it was really depressingly bland food.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:30 (fifteen years ago)

but my soon-to-be ex-bf

uh oh lol

Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago)

it's kinda lol but mostly sad.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago)

but no more will I have to deal with his ultra-Mormon grandmother and Thanksgiving at her house, and having to go around in a circle and say what we're thankful for and listen to the relatives talk about God and faith and the spiritual foundation embodied by their spouses.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:35 (fifteen years ago)

:( sorry

Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:40 (fifteen years ago)

Mormons aren't allowed to dance in public because it would quickly lead to fucking right out there on the dancefloor iirc

big darn deal (Z S), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:41 (fifteen years ago)

same with coffee

big darn deal (Z S), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:41 (fifteen years ago)

coffee ---> fucking on the dancefloor?

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:46 (fifteen years ago)

again, iirc

big darn deal (Z S), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

xp Shakey: thanks - yeah, Thanksgiving with his Mormon relatives was really awful - the food was bad, too which made it worse - I think I said I was thankful for pie, because it was delicious, and goes well with ice cream, which is also delicious, and in between espoused some parodically sanctimonious platitude about how awful it was that there were starving people in the world that did not get to enjoy pie.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:50 (fifteen years ago)

I went to a Mormon ventriloquism party once. But these might have been decadent Mormons who also had tapes of Garfield and Friends.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:51 (fifteen years ago)

^^^jack mormons lol

Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago)

did they sing songs? the ventriloquists - did they sing religious songs?

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:53 (fifteen years ago)

I went to a Mormon ventriloquism party once.

o_O

lift this towel, its just a nipple (HI DERE), Friday, 20 November 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, Phillip, you've gotta give us the juicy details of this.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

i think they just talked about their dull inner life. But I don't remember them being sanctimonious at all.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

no singing?

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:58 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think they would have been mad if I made the dummy sing, but honestly I just wanted to watch their tape of Garfield and Friends.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 November 2009 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

Oh I should explain -- it's not a party where they hire ventriloquists, but a party where they teach you ventriloquism. And it's not really a party but a group ventriloquism lesson, but I felt Garfield and Friends was pretty festive.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:07 (fifteen years ago)

Your explanation only raises more questions!

lift this towel, its just a nipple (HI DERE), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago)

*dials 9, then 1, waits*

big darn deal (Z S), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago)

http://stoney321.livejournal.com/317176.html

kingfish, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

Dude, totally untrue about the dancing! Mormons are HUGE into dancing, especially of the ballroom variety.

Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago)

Every Mormon wedding reception I've been to has been in a stake center (bigger-than-average area church). They all have these big middle rooms that are the size of a basketball court with a retractable wall attached to the meeting place in case a lot of people show up. The area will sometimes has a stage, too, and it always has these hydraulic-powered basketball hoops that can go up near the ceiling when basketball isn't needed. Sometimes they're carpeted, sometimes not. I found a photo:

http://images.onset.freedom.com/yumasun/jzwz06-lds1.jpg

So these wedding receptions are always in freaking basketball courts!

mascara and ties (Abbott), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

doesn't get any more romantic than that

Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago)

Sometimes people who have (scandalous) not-temple weddings get married in the stake center and they get MARRIED in this echo-y basketball court space.

mascara and ties (Abbott), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago)

yeah the carpeted basketball courts! I always thought that was weird.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago)

Also every single one I have been to (at least 40) has involved NO music (not even background music) or dancing. Everyone sits around and eats boring food – grocery store deli items, usually – and later cake. Plus there's a receiving line. That's the reception! My brother's was at least outdoors.

mascara and ties (Abbott), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago)

There's no RULES or LAWS saying no dancing – they have dances for teens or adults all the time in stake centers with DJs and lights and everything. Just every Idaho Mormon I know chose to do it without any of that!

mascara and ties (Abbott), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago)

I went to a Mormon stake dance once. I don't think anything remotely interesting happened there though.

sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

man is anyone watching the pbs thing on THE MORMONS rite now?? harold bloom!! commentators who think it's crap!! pretty photography!! fuckin wild man

goole, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago)

I wasn't, but I am now!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 01:30 (fifteen years ago)

"joseph smith was the henry ford of revelation"

O_O

goole, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

man this is wild. massacres, polygamy...

goole, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 02:25 (fifteen years ago)


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