The dark side of soy: hypothyroidism

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So, apparently, there's a little known side effect to those who consume a lot of soy products.. hypothyroidism. Here's a sane article on the issue, and here's a crazy anti-soy lobby site comprising of New Zealanders, Americans, and Brits.

All in all, it seems like soy is a bad idea if you already have family history of hypothyroidism, but this all kinda took me my surprise -- given how much I love soy products,. So, uh, there you go. Read as you will. (I'm not giving up soy by any means, but i'm glad i'm a little more aware)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(and despite the warnings from the anti-soy lobby, nope, soy intake has not negatively affected my, uh, "development down there")

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Somehow, I didn't think Soy would affect...um, performance.

"For soy to actually cause hypothyroidism, you'd have to be bordering on hypothyroidism to begin with," says naturopath Martin Milner, N.D., president of the Center for Natural Medicine in Portland, Ore., and developer of a new treatment for hypothyroidism.

How could you know? Many people eat soy for the health benefits. They may have no idea that they are allergic to the stuff until after they eat it.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

For soy to actually cause hypothyroidism, you'd have to be bordering on hypothyroidism to begin with

read: I'm not going to deny that it's an actual cause

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got hypothyroidism, and I don't eat much soy, other than the fried tofu appetizer at Thai restaurants. It's definitely something to take seriously, as if you leave it untreated long enough you could have heart damage, go into a coma, etc. The main symptoms are sleepiness and weight gain for no reason.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i am convinced that soy sent *me* over the edge. i was borderline, and went thru 3 months drinking a lot of soy milk, which i hadn't done before. i became hypothyroid AND had to get a D&C because soy increases estrogen production so also gave me little cysts in my uterus. i am *still* hypothyroid and it is not fun, though the girl stuff returned to an acceptable level of abnormality. i will not touch soy.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

sigh.. well, for me, so far so good.. I'm a software engineer so I'm always fatigued, and bleaching my hair makes it dry and course by definition.. otherwise, haven't experienced the other symptoms listed on the sites. I have a slight history of hyperthyroidism in my family, so for all i know, this is the best thing for it.

(and while i certainly take these issues seriously, i still can't get over how paranoid that anti-soy page is. )

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

to diagnose yourself, take your temperature the first thing in the morning when you wake up for a week. if it is insanely low, see your doctor. my mom told me to do this, and it was how i got diagnosed. my body temp was like 95. (98.6 being normal)

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I love soy in all its forms and if I have to sacrifice my thyroid for it then so be it

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 4 September 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

My consumption of soy is usually in the form of tofu and fruit shakes. I'd not heard of the hypothyroid connection before, though. But I don't think that I am willing to give-up these shakes anytime soon.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 4 September 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't get between me and my Kikkoman or there gonna be trouble.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 5 September 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

From the New York Times:

August 27, 2003, Wednesday

DINING IN, DINING OUT/STYLE DESK
FOOD STUFF; A Different Soy Sauce Every Day of the Week
By Florence Fabricant

Lightly seasoned soy sauces packed in cute mini milk cartons are a nice addition to the condiment shelf. Kamada Foods International in Ottawa has imported them from Japan for years and is now selling them in the United States.

There are seven flavors, including Ponzu Soy, which makes a nice dipping sauce. Salad Soy has no oil but can be used as a salad dressing. Dashi Soy, seasoned with dashi, the Japanese stock base, is convenient to add to soups and noodle dishes. There is also a Salmon Dashi sauce, flavored with smoked salmon.

Boxes of seven seven-ounce containers, all one flavor or one of each, are $15.05 to $17.50, plus shipping, from (877) 722-5769 or www.kamada.ca.

To heck with Kikkoman!


I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 5 September 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yup. I´ve inherited it from my mother, who happens to be a health nut. We´ve both quit the soy, but now are cursed FOR LIFE!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 5 September 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Every time news like this comes out, it's only another reason for me to eat whatever the hell I want. I mean, fuck it.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 5 September 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Going on the theory that we'll all croak eventually and don't want to be on your death-bed thinking 'Man, I wish that I'd eaten more cheesecake and less tofu?'

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 5 September 2003 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)

This is propaganda from the crazy raw foods people. They're like religious fanatics and so full of shit. Then there are the "fruitarians" who only eat food that falls to the ground. Ugh.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The ground is all DIRTY and stuff. Gimme a pork chop any day over that nastiness.

Oblivious Man (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't taking lots of kelp (iodine rich) sort out hypothyroidism? Or maybe an iron supplement?

Freedom Dupont, Friday, 5 September 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"fruitarians"

If they really call themselves that, they can do whatever they want to. They slipped the bonds of earth long ago.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 September 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, the reason why i started this thread was because my ex-roommate, also a vegetarian though eats fish, had just been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, and her doctor told her about soy's alleged link to it, and now feels so much better that she's getting meds/supplements to counteract it. (she didn't tell me she stopped eating soy though..) I know I know.. doctors have their own biases, etc. etc.

Still though, I don't think the soy/hypothyroidism link is all just propaganda from fruitamentalists or what have you. There is no such thing as a perfect food or drug, and I was beginning to wonder what lurked in soy's closet of skeletons. However, I'm sure the association of the Soy Lobby with Evil like that site i linked above is highly absurd and exaggerated.

(ANYBODY who likes to type out information such that every alternative word or phrase is underlined and hypertexted on their site raises crazy fondue-mentalist stylee suspicion)

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

< /u >

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"fondue-mentalist"!

That's my favorite phrase for today.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It almost sounds like an ornate way of calling someone a dip.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Strictly speaking, if fruitarians only eat food that's fallen to the ground, they can eat carrion!

"carrionian", heheh.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 September 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't taking lots of kelp (iodine rich) sort out hypothyroidism? Or maybe an iron supplement?

the problem has to do with iodine actually; i'm allergic to it.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 5 September 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

huh

janice (surm), Friday, 23 July 2010 17:17 (fifteen years ago)

well i certainly hope it doesn't kill me! oops, ate too much soy!

janice (surm), Friday, 23 July 2010 17:18 (fifteen years ago)

hypothryroidism really really can fuck you up, esp cuz it usually goes undiagnosed...took my wife probably a year to be normal after she got on the correct meds :(

my dream is to own a fly casino (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 July 2010 17:32 (fifteen years ago)

omg really

wait so does salt do that to you too

janice (surm), Friday, 23 July 2010 17:58 (fifteen years ago)

Huh. Did not know that, and it's especially interesting in light of the fact that a) my doctor suspects something may be up with my thyroid (constant tiredness, fainting, mood swings) and b) oh holy shit I eat SO MUCH SOY :(

a black white asian pine ghost who is fake (Telephone thing), Friday, 23 July 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)

(constant tiredness, fainting, mood swings)

any weight flucuations?

anyway you should get it checked

my dream is to own a fly casino (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 July 2010 18:56 (fifteen years ago)

don't know abt salt, i didn't know soy caused it until this thread was bumped....

my dream is to own a fly casino (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 July 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)

that's weird i've been feeling a little more tired than usual too and i eat a lot of soy. not excited about this idea.

janice (surm), Friday, 23 July 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)

sorry didn't mean to make u paranoid or anything...there is a test for it so if you feel like it you could get tested...but obv you could be more tired than usual for a million different reasons.

fwiw my wife did not eat like tons of soy or anything...but i think it's more common in women

my dream is to own a fly casino (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 July 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

my mom suggested that i get a baseline thyroid test so they know what normal reads for me -- thyroid probs run in my family (grandpa has hyper, mom has hypo) and so i wanted to be safe. so far no symptoms, but i was getting worried for a while there.

anyway, getting a read on your normal thyroid levels can help detect problems should they arise in the future (or so says my mom)

ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Friday, 23 July 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)

i read somewhere that soy is healthiest in a fermented state (miso, tempeh, furu, soy sauce, etc.) and you don't need to worry about this so much. not sure if that's still considered to be valid research-wise or not.

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 23 July 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)


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