The one that I'm always surprised I don't hear much about -- granted, I'm not in this loop anymore, but ... I used to be very much in the loop -- is Eden. I mean, shit, screw the Ark of the Covenant, screw Ararat, if I thought you could go out and find all these things, Eden's the one I'd be scouting out.
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Israeli archaeology I know very little about, unfortunately; my mentor in ancient history is an Egyptologist (which is why, when it comes to this stuff, it's the Exodus I know most about). Archaeology of all sorts is politicized and fractious, but geez, it's not hard to think of reasons why that'd be even more true in Israel.
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)
it has acetate overlays that sit on top of photographs...RECREATING PLACES IN BIBLICAL TIMES.
like, babylon and shit.
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)
Oh geez, the von Daniken type stuff, that's ... the superset in which this stuff lives, I think. (Assuming I used superset correctly.)
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 8 September 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)
If you read (and accepted as true) Dante, then there'd be a very good reason to desist from bothering to find Eden. Look at what happened to Odysseus.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 September 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 8 September 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)
*resists the urge to go spout off on 14th century behavior by slightly educated peasants*
Let's just say that there were cases documented where people believed it to be true.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 September 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 8 September 2003 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― robster (robster), Monday, 8 September 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 8 September 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 8 September 2003 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)
i. 16th century: renaissance scholars look back at the classical era to free themselves somewhat from moribund church ubiquity — digging around starts ii. 17th/18th century: scholars start digging around in non-classical ruins (the gothic) and/or struggling to fit what they dig up to confirm the bible (fossils = animals lost in noah's flood) iii. late 18th/early 19th century: scholars begin to use better textual/archeological information to CHALLENGE the truth of the bible iv: late 19th century, Schliemann decides to dig for Troy on the assumption that ancient lit has truth in it, and FINDS it/radical New Age dissent in the UK declares an unbroken anti-establishment link with the DRUIDS etc v. 1921, reopening of Tut's tomb sets off world-wide amateur egypto-mania, from Art Deco to The Mummy to the Stonecutters etc
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 8 September 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 8 September 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 8 September 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 8 September 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)
For the Holy Grail/Jesus went to France and had kids story, read _Holy_Blood,_Holy_Grail_ of which there are about a million used copies floating about. Its a very entertaining book.
Not mentioned yet is the whole Mormon thing. Amerinds Indians = Lost tribe of Israel is a whole nother barrel of fun.
― fletrejet, Monday, 8 September 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)
(both books are about the Rennes-le-Chateau mythos. Andrews and Schellenberger claim that the body of Jesus is buried nearby, and that you can prove this by studying sacred geometry in the paintings of Poussin.)
― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.duran.freeserve.co.uk/arcadia7.jpg
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 8 September 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.mountaincharlie1850.org/images/ecv_evolution.gif
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)
(... do they?)
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)
so, eh, back to the basic question... yeah it's funny how politicised the past is. there was a piece in the paper the other day where some archaeological remains were accidentally discovered on some Palestinian's land. "I hope it's Roman stuff," he said. "If it's ancient Jewish stuff I'll have a settlement on top of me quicker than you can say 'Transfer Time, T-Head!'".
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)
This one has a cover story on the "James, Brother of Jesus" deal, though, which looks interesting (it's about the hoax bit, but -- again, just based on skimming -- seems to talk about why there isn't a consensus about it being a hoax.)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)
(it mostly seems to be a blog in the original here's-a-load-of-links-to-stuff-I've-read meaning.)
― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)
There's a very good article I need to reread about archaeological evidence of Israelites in Egypt, which is misleadingly -- glaringly and annoyingly misleadingly (hello captain adverb!) -- referred to in the rest of the magazine; the references imply that the article substantiates claims of a historical Exodus, and not only does it not do so, but it provides material well-suited to an argument against a hist. Ex., or at least one very unlike that of the Old Testament.
They're anti-Albright, as far as I can tell, and are accused in the letters section of "not believing in the Bible" (this in reference to the James ossuary, so phoo on the letter-writer), but seem sympathetic to Albright-type apologists. I don't know what to make of them.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 11 September 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)