I Can't Turn My Face into a Heart: The role of personality in attractiveness

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From the Maggie Gyllenhall thread:

MG is one of those people who's attractive not so much because she's physically attractive (though she is cute) but because she actually seems like a nice, talented, intelligent person somehow. Maybe it's just "acting," or maybe that's what they call "charm." This may be deserving of its own thread but I'm too doped up on cold meds to do it.
-- NA (emmaa...), September 10th, 2003 11:12 AM. (later)

ANdrew = Not necessarily. Haven't you ever met someone IRL who's not really attractive or unattractive based on their physical appearance, but their personality puts them in one category or the other?
-- NA (emmaa...), September 10th, 2003 11:17 AM. (later)

I just want to put this last question to ILX at large.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I am so fucked up on cold meds and lack of sleep.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

meow

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Well obviously it is true, how can you fancy someone if you don't know their personality?

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Every celebrity I've ever perved over to thread (please wear leather thx).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

For example, my sister?

Anyway that was not my point, I mean you can say someone is hot or whatever, I mean it's not like CHristian Bale is a good personal friend of mine but he's still hot. But like I couldn't actually fancy him, I mean he could be a total muff head for all I know.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

even crushing on celebrities is often based on perceived personality, like me crushing on Dennis Haysbert because he's so solid and decisive and compassionate. Fuck if he really is, but his President Palmer is, and that's good enough for a lusting.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

There's hot for a night and hot for... well, for more than a night.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

There're loads of ppl whose personality pushes them from unattractive->attractive.

mei (mei), Thursday, 11 September 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Please, no more pity posts. Just let it die.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Pete to thread. (Graham also)

I currently have a big crush which is why I started the fancying people you hate thread.

I don't really subscribe to the not attractive physically thing though, how can you think someone you love or fancy is ugly or not pretty. Also you don't kiss their personality or sleep with it either, to be frank.

I think people underrate the importance of physical attraction because it seems the right thing to do or the nicer thing to do. You can be crude, or blunt, or extremely verbose about it, but the fact is that physical attraction governs the relationship world without alot of mercy.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Also you don't kiss their personality or sleep with it either, to be frank.

Oh dear. Should we tell him?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's very unlikely you'll fall for someone you find repulsive. I mean, realistically, would you even give them enough time of day to find out they have this wonderful personality underneath? For me at least, it usually works like this. You see a guy (well, in my case) who has really sexy hands, or twinkley eyes, or beautiful hair, or a great smile, and that's enough to attract you to them. So you get kind of flirty and want them perhaps even just as a friend. But then you get to know them and they look even better or worse depending.

When I first met Nick (you), I thought he looked kind of like Doogie Howser's friend, but a little cuter. But after talking to him just a tiny bit I found him to be really attractive.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

If you fancy someone that you know, i would say that you find them physically attractive along with finding their personality attractive. You could fancy someone's personality (say someone you met via the internet) but then in real life their appearance makes you not fancy them anymore.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

tell me what patron?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah is otm, you don't go up to someone you find repulsive on the off chance that their personality with be amazing & stun you into fancying them!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

tell me what patron?

"Personality" is a code-word for "booty".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah obviously if someone's repulsive but I guess Nick means people who are not striking but become nicer overtime due to their personality (your increasingly manic desperation)

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, yr sister looks funny!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

As in I bet she's funny, not she's funnylooking

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan is the only person who truly understands me.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

On the other hand, there are a lot of ugly people out there having babies somehow.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, Geez. :(

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I actually kind of knew the basics of my boyfriend's personality before I met him in person and was just like, yeah, he seems cool. I had no idea what he looked like at all. Then I met him and was like, whoa, that dude is hot, I'm just going to hit on him NONSTOP. What does this say about me?

Also he told me I was in "no way [his] type" and he had no interest in sleeping with me before we met!

Andrew, my sister kind of sucks, I'll sell her to you if you wanna hang out with her.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally the Nepotistic Pimp

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

How did you meet then? (sorry if i'm prying, just curious)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, he's Millar.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

If she isn't ACTUALLY funny I am very uninterested, unless she's like $5 or something

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I'm always trying to sell my sisters, they don't really suck I just think that they'd be more useful to me as property than as family members. She's not as funny as one of my other sisters, but that sister likes Asian men only.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll work on it

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I think some people are attracted to people for talents or intelligence as a major personality thing.

I hate the fact that I love writing about music to the point that I sometimes hate it, and I wonder is it myself I am hating, for loving a job I hate. I wonder are other writers self haters, or am I merely hating myself as an extended form of self love. Either way there's some ego involved but I'd love to read a book about the psychology of the average music writer, it's a fucking weird profession.

My point I guess in a wider sense is that it's easy for someone to become an indulgence rather than a crush, ie they fit a certain desire you have for a certain type of relationship. For example if you enjoy not enjoying things then you can enjoy being irritated to the point where it becomes intensely cute and difficult to shake off. That kind of relationship is entirely about personality and yet it shapes your physical impression of the person aswell.

I am so hungover.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"I can't turn my face into an Asian man"

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I can but Sanjei began to become more popular with my friends and more successful at work

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

For example if you enjoy not enjoying things then you can enjoy being irritated to the point where it becomes intensely cute and difficult to shake off.

I adore when Ronan does this sort of analyis. He excels at it like no other.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 11 September 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I'm always trying to sell my sisters, they don't really suck

There was an old UK game show where the host kept saying "The clue is in the question". In case you're wondering why they haven't sold yet...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 September 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

My point I guess in a wider sense is that it's easy for someone to become an indulgence rather than a crush, ie they fit a certain desire you have for a certain type of relationship.

The problem comes later, doesn't it, when you outgrow that "type": unless you built a sense of respect and mutual interests within the relationship, then won't you sprint away from that person? The sharpest personality isn't enough, unless there is some other, stronger connection at play.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 11 September 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

look, is it just me, or have other people around here gotten emotionally fucked-up beyond belief for unintentionally getting "attracted" to people in their lives who they were *not* supposedto get attracted to, ie friends, solely based on personality ?

for some reason the looks thing can be totally pushed aside for me, as long as the person is not physically repulsive to me...how they are personality-wise really determines what i wind up feeling for them, in the end.

take the example of Psychobitch, in the office where i intern. she is what most people would call physically attractive - nice slim figure, radiant face, shapely hair, friendly hair. but she's also a FUCKING NIGHTMARE TO DEAL WITH IN ANY WAY AS SHE IS EXTREMELY HIGH-STRUNG AND TURNS EVERYTHING INTO A CRISIS SITUATION. THIS IS WHY EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE HATES YOU A____. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BREASTS WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A HEART YOU FUCKED UP NAZI BUFFALO WITCH

Vic, Thursday, 11 September 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

theres a balance of course. and of course physical attractiveness is subjective. i can like the look of someone but it doesn't mean i wanna fuck them. it used to. but i sort of got old and square and now i won't consider a person attractive enough to sleep with unless they can deliver the personality goods too.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 11 September 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Di, tis called 'common sense'

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 11 September 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

vic, it's more likely for bad personality to bring down good looks than for good personality to bring up bad looks, i think. at least, at the extremes.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria thats probably true, but speaking of my own experience I think deep emotional attachments to people I've felt physically neutral about - I guess that *is* still different than physically repulsed - have caused unwarranted attractions/longings to develop. Maybe personality does go a little further than we are aware of, since it's not as conscious a factor as looks and other externals (such as the ownership of a Bentley etc etc). Or maybe it's just me and I'm an emotional whore

Vic, Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I look pretty good but I'm boring as hell.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Fucked up Nazi Buffalo Witch" is possibly my favourite expression ever. As far as the importance of personality goes hell yeah. You are initially interested in someone because of looks (and also because you think they might be interested in you, if we're being honest) but beyond that if it's not there it's just not there. That sort of thing's fine for one-night stands but it just gets depressing after a bit. As do one night stands, for that matter.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 12 September 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the person who I have a crush on right now is not that pretty but she is very very attractive. This is in response to Ronan waaaay up-thread.

David. (Cozen), Friday, 12 September 2003 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought this was going to be a thread about contortionists.

Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 12 September 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

There's nothing says it can't be!

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 12 September 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you not read the FAQ Tep?

oops (Oops), Friday, 12 September 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

For example if you enjoy not enjoying things then you can enjoy being irritated to the point where it becomes intensely cute and difficult to shake off.

Ronan, are you dating Tanya Headon?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 September 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank god no.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

As of today I think as long as the heart is there, the face is secondary.

As everyone knows I have posted innumerable posts about this topic. But really it just takes the right person to say the right thing to show me how much I'd been deluding myself.

The key moment for me came last night when G asked if she could take a picture of me for her new video mobile phone. Now as most of you know I am exceptionally photophobic, and even when I am obliged to have a photo taken for passport/work ID purposes I do so under extreme sufferance. But this time I was happy to oblige...and G & I were good friends anyway, which again does make a difference...and put on my best smile. "Aw Marcello," said G, smiling at me, "that's nice! What a lovely face you have when you smile!" Not being ironic or sarcastic - she meant it! And I have to say that it hit the spot (it actually wasn't a bad picture either!).

The last person to say that to me was Laura. So you can understand how hard my spot was hit.

G is also self-conscious about her looks, and I kept telling her that she didn't have to worry, she was gorgeous and anyone who didn't see that was a blind, ignorant asshole who didn't deserve her anyway! (In turn, that kind of hit her spot...)

So there you have it. My theory scuppered, as I always hoped it would be. Maybe the whole subtext of my last two years is that I was just waiting for someone to say it to me. As well as the thousands of other things she said... :-)

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 12 September 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

ppl who haven't go much in the way of personality or looks might be doomed.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

to those people I say, turn your faces into hearts, that all the world might be your bloody ventricle

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

In person, in face-to-face contact, doesn't one's personality contribute (or possibly diminish) their physical appearance? Like, confidence, fr'instance. Someone dancing and smiling and more comfortable with themself & their body will probably seem a lot more magnetic than another "equally attractive" person all slouching and shoegazing and sitting at a table being shy, no? Unless you like the shy ones, I guess.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.rdwarf.com/~mnoel/face30.4.4.02.jpg

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

show off

oops (Oops), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

But that ain't his face.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Nickalicious: Yes, those people certainly do seem to do 'better' as I have observed - in so much as attracting more attention and being more generally palatable to a greater number of people. But, really there are no laws to attraction, and even less so for love. Actual love may be more difficult to find for people blessed with brio, looks and an excess of confidence...
Friendship can definitely be a wonderful base for a relationship; with my current girlfriend, we were friends for some months before deciding to 'go out'.
Instant attractions (had many...) are all fine and well, but they really mean little until you really get to know the person. Looking back at my adolescence - at the time inadequate and cripplingly shy - would it really have been worth it for the crushes to have materialised into a reality? Nothing can really last that long on attraction alone...

Tom May (Tom May), Saturday, 13 September 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Also you don't kiss their personality or sleep with it either, to be frank.

but you do, you really do.

do you really want to be in bed beside someone with a completely turn-off personality? it permeates everything. you *do* kiss people's personalities! the most conventionally beautiful guy on the planet could be standing there and unless the right personality is there, I wouldn't *want* to kiss him.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 14 September 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

not every personality is completely turn off or completely bullseye

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 September 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, well I'm rather opposed to the mind/body divide but also quite shallow so I like pretty girls with good personalities and sexy figures.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 September 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

not every personality is completely turn off or completely bullseye

Neither is every body!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I said that already upthread!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

omg

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 2 May 2008 20:30 (seventeen years ago)

When I first met Nick (you), I thought he looked kind of like Doogie Howser's friend, but a little cuter. But after talking to him just a tiny bit I found him to be really attractive.

-- Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:18 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Jordan, Friday, 2 May 2008 20:38 (seventeen years ago)

i think dude's name was "vinny"

La Lechera, Friday, 2 May 2008 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

apparently vinnie is in leatherheads

Jordan, Friday, 2 May 2008 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

He was in NEWSIES and god did I ever have a cruch on him:

http://members.aol.com/Wigi25/newsies.jpg

Second from left...........

Abbott, Friday, 2 May 2008 23:15 (seventeen years ago)

I was skim reading new answers and could've sworn this said 'Rank the members of Heart in order of attractiveness'.

chap, Friday, 2 May 2008 23:18 (seventeen years ago)

Vinny alright, but he was no Boner from Growing Pains.

http://www.kfcplainfield.com/tv/doogie3.jpg
http://www.omglists.com/global/radar/blog_images/46033-8.jpg

Z S, Friday, 2 May 2008 23:28 (seventeen years ago)

richard stabone

chaki, Saturday, 3 May 2008 00:33 (seventeen years ago)


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