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suzy and norman phay dislike this advert. i think it is an incredible success, not only in its purpose (who is going to dial anything other than 118 118 now? though the 118 500 people have rallied a little recently i guess), but also creatively, i think it is very well executed. the moment this hit home was when the 192 character was handed pipe and slippers by each of the 118s, i thought that was very well done

but what say you?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 12 September 2003 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i didn't realise what it was advertising until someone pointed this out and laughed at me

*accepts pipe and slippers from gareth*

mark s (mark s), Friday, 12 September 2003 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

118 118 are banking on getting an early massive market share but I think this will be gradually eroded through word of mouth about the price - also a lot of companies are blocking 118118 for being too expensive, this may have an effect.

I very much doubt we have seen the bulk of the marketing budget for the competitors spent yet, too. They have let the 118 118 campaign do a lot of the hard work in telling consumers that 192 is being retired in the first place - a few months down the line when people have got used to 118 118 a marketing blitz on price might successfully boost the audiences for other numbers.

Aesthetically I disliked the campaign initially and now quite like it - as you say the introduction of the 192 character was the turning point.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

11 88 88 have launched a confusing tactic by not focusing on the 118 nature of the service, but may eventually shoot themselves in the foot by this means, not been associated with the 118 nature of the service.

Ed (dali), Friday, 12 September 2003 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellently executed advertising campaign (like Gareth, I was esp. impressed with the pipe and slipper moment) but I hardly ever use telephone directory enquiries, so it's a bit lost on me.

The Guardian reviewed all the 118 services on their consumer pages (not very thoroughly - each review was based on a sample of one call). 118 118 did very poorly, as did BT's 118 500.

I love that super cheapo 11 88 88 advert with the crappy jingle. They came off best in the Guardian test, too.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I never use directory enquiries.

urgent phone no. required - look up on interweb (searches on the likes of Http://www.bt.co.uk take so long tho!)

non-urgent - go to library, look it up in their phone directories which cover entire country

this is cutting out the middleperson - why pay MUNNY to get someone else to do what you can do yrself?

I much prefer the 11 88 88 ads to the 118 118 ones. Both the running number superhero type one and the opera singing one. Tho I fell in love with it prior to seeing it on TV, when I saw the running numbers in ads on the Tube.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

For the actual spread of clear, useful information, the 118 118 ad was a loser... there was just far too much going on and I reckon there were a load of people who didn't have a clue what it was about on the first few showings. Also, the concept annoyed me.

The 11 88 88 ad is loads better from that point of view - the number is everything and the crappy jingle, and therefore the number itself, sticks in your head to a ludicrous extent.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

11 88 88 have launched a confusing tactic by not focusing on the 118 nature of the service

where are these ppl who get confused by a gap between a 1 and an 8? I need to meet them! Do they still point at aeroplanes?

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i should point out i havent seen tv ads for any of the various 118ers, so am talking only about billboards.

as for the gap between the 11 and the 8 with those other guys, well, yes i agree if you are looking specifically, but advertising is meant to grab you when you are not looking, and making people do even a seconds extra work when they have mind on other things and are not concentrating is a bad idea, the numbers dont flow right, the disassociation from the 118ers was an error in my view

gareth (gareth), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

where are these ppl who get confused by a gap between a 1 and an 8? I need to meet them! Do they still point at aeroplanes?

BT? They once sold off 0800 192 192 to Scoot for a song, because Scoot applied for the number as '0800 19 21 92'.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Double one double eight double eight is such an insanely catchy jingle that it does the job better than any other ad on the telly at the moment (particularly when you've got the figures jumping around in every frame).

My two year old son goes mental whenever it comes on. If he's using directory enquiries he's sure as shit not going to be calling BT from now on. Get them while they're young.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you all really find it catchy? I find it is kind of straining to be so but lacks a tune.

Maybe it is because I have the '118' block sitting in my brain. I think I'd find it easier to remember it as '118 888'.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i can sing the jingle also, but it never occurred to me it was anything to do with directory enquiries!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you think all these adverts were just promoting certain numbers, mark?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"Coming soon, from the team that brought you 118888 : 33550336. It's not just triangular - it's perfect!"

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i assume they are all chat lines

mark s (mark s), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Well you can give it a go.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

just promoting certain numbers

well, Seasame Street shouldn't have the monopoly on that kinda thing.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

A monopoly that must be smashed by the invention of NEW NUMBERS.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the billboard campaign was exceptionally good when it started - especially that genuinely jarring one of them eating takeaway noodles while jogging through a blue-dusked scrapyard. Of course, the trick of cloning the bodies but having different heads was the magic touch.

It all got a bit chummy and less strange when they moved to telly *but* it's saved by the latest ad, which climaxes in Crystal Palace Park!

What does Dave Bedford think of it all?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 12 September 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I find the numbers arranged in threes easier to remember than three groups of two, particularly now I've got it logged in my brain that the initial 118 is a service-wide prefix. But like Mark I realised that I can sing the 11 88 88 perfectly. I always have to sing the jingle to remember that number though (even just then when I needed to type it) otherwise it gives me problems.

David (David), Friday, 12 September 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Who on earth is going to call any number other than 118 118, 118 888 or 118 500? I haven't seen any advertising at all for anything else. Are they just hoping that people will press some random numbers after 118? Corporate deals, maybe.

Oh, I seem to remember seeing a poster for 118 150 too, actually.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to say that I find this advert infuriating apart from the old guy saying 'hello!'. That aside, has anyone else noticed how revealing their shorts are on the rocky style advert? It actually makes me blush. It is repulsive!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

N. there is some number or other that we've been instructed by work to call if we need it but the incessant advertising for all the others has driven it from my brain. :(

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom is it '118 just get me my f@#king number sh#theads?'

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes thats the one.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Beer = Life

(classic)

Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Thought so! ;-)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

or was it Beer is Life ?

Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

they banned it in this office cos it costs too much apparently, the Irish equivalent I mean.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

All 118 numbers have been blocked from our work. We are to carry on dialling 192 (which the switchboard converts to the Cable & Wireless service's number). I use the net anyway.

Though if you look on BT's website for a residential number and it can't find it, it gives you the following message:


Did you know only 46% of the 27.4 million residential phone lines in the UK are listed in the phonebook, and that a further 5% are only available through calling Directory enquiries? This could well be why you cannot find the number you require.

I mean, fine about the 46% thing but I keep meaning to find out why 5% of numbers are only available by calling directory enquiries on the phone. Is this just a random selection held back for marketing reasons, or is there something about those 5%? Can you chose to be ex-directory online but not elsewhere (and why would you do that?)

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe the 5% are new since the phonebook was printed?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You can choose your level of ex-directoryness. i.e. not in the book, but available through directoty enquiries. I guess crank callers are less likely to call D/E than just pick a random number out of the phone book.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew - sorry, despite the wording this is talking about the online service. I assume this is not updated from rekeying the printed phonebook!

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It's vile market researchers who are to blame too. A random telephone sample is still mostly generated by just opening a page in the phonebook and cold calling every 5th number.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, but you couldn't do this with the online version. Sounds like they just haven't updated their practices.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I love that N. is stuck in a past that he doesn't make/never made use of.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What past?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

a dialling-192 past.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I wondered when someone would get around to this subject because (cough) I work for 118888. Nice to know our advertising is working, even if people have to sing the jingle to remember it. But it works.

Admittedly, when I was on the phones (I'm judging the quality of our operators now) just after the adverts started, I would have at least 10 calls a day of people just singing the jingle to me and laughing manically. But, hey, it was costing them to make the joke, so what's the problem? I've also had customers ring and want me to sing the jingle, and I've done that too - again, they're paying, if they want it they can have it. Indeed a radio station in Manchester rang up another of our operators and told her she was on the radio and she could win CDs if she sang the jingle on the air - and god love her, she did!

As has been pointed out, there are different levels of ex-directoryness. You can choose to be listed with a number, listed as XD by DQ, or not listed at all. I presume these 5% are the XD listings.

Anyway, all together now... DOUBLE ONE DOUBLE EIGHT DOUBLE EIGHT!

You could always try ringing us and seeing what we're like, you know!

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

just after the adverts started, I would have at least 10 calls a day of people just singing the jingle to me and laughing manically. But, hey, it was costing them to make the joke, so what's the problem? I've also had customers ring and want me to sing the jingle, and I've done that too

The only time I've called 118888 I had an insane urge to do this too. It's because saying double one double eight double eight sounds wrong and strange, it was made to be sung.

Rob M, you have my respect sir. I'm glad you're happy to humour us 118888 jingle freaks.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

So, er Rob, what's your number? heh heh!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm XD, thanks!

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Way to kill my joke dude!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

You could always ring up and find out for yerself, anyway. 8-)

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 12 September 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I rang directories today, and called 118 000 (Orange's directory enquiries) which gave me the right number (which I misheard and wrote down wrong, grr). I don't know how much it cost. If 11 88 88 is the cheapest, I spect I'll call that in future. I disagree that not focusing on its 118-ness is a mistake, though.

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 12 September 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The South Africa based 118 800 is the cheapest by minute but is apparently rubbish.
Maybe Orange is chepest if you're calling from an Orange mobile.

I am disappointed that 118 GAY does not come off well in the Guardian tests.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

> it's saved by the latest ad, which climaxes in Crystal Palace Park!

have been up the real rocky steps at philadelphia museum of art but not the faux ones.

a couple of the lesser known 118 numbers are based abroad and the operators keep asking odd questions like where Leeds is. (hint, it's in Leeds). directory enquiries in welsh could be fun.

bt is plugging it's 118 500 all over the local phone boxes but if you look at the small print it says 'calls to 118 500 not available from phone boxes'. idiots. (i'm just bitter because i got a 32 pound phone bill today, 64p of which was actual calls, the rest was standing charges and tax on same)

andy

koogs (koogs), Friday, 12 September 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

bt is plugging it's 118 500 all over the local phone boxes but if you look at the small print it says 'calls to 118 500 not available from phone boxes'.

utter mentalism! make sure you take your moby with you to the phone box, people!

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 13 September 2003 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just this moment from my landlord that as we're on NTL it is only possible to dial NTL's 118 service from here because they block the others!

which means I won't have the chance to sing the jingle to Rob M grrr.

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 13 September 2003 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you see? You are doing their marketing for them. Do you see?

Ed (dali), Saturday, 13 September 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

word-of-mouth works both ways ed: ie "yes their jingle is grebt nevertheless their service k-suXoRs"

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 13 September 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

what would be the result of calling all the OTHER 118 numbers and singing the 11 88 88 jingle to them?

MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 13 September 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't even understand...

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 13 September 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark H - get on to NTL, they're acting illegally blocking you access to other 118 numbers. Then you can sing the jingle to me all you like.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 15 September 2003 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

You could always ring up and find out for yerself, anyway. 8-)
No! You don't get it. *shakes head*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 15 September 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Bring back 192 etc.

118118 take far too long to text you the number; Orange's old automatic one on their service was like g-g-g-grease-a-grease lightning.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 15 September 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I had to phone an HSBC extortionate premium-rate line on Saturday, and got the number through 11 88 88. Which, very usefully, told me how much the call would cost per minute.

Did 192 ever do this?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 15 September 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It might not have. OK. Bring back 192 and make it better.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 15 September 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The mobile messaging is a tricky point Dave B - the DQ operators send the numbers out immediately during the call and then it's up to the individual mobile operators to get them out to the customer, which can sometimes take as long as 3 hours. In which time the customer will have rung back up, moaned like hell about it, and asked for the number again. The Orange service was probably fast as it was directly simply through Orange themselves, rather than distributed amongst the four big operators. Sigh.

And no, Pinkpanther, I didn't get the joke at all. I'm just a bit dull, that's all.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 15 September 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The other week, I saw an advert on the back of a bus for a specially Scottish 118 number. I have absolutely no idea what the number was, but I think the ad showed a man in a kilt, showing his arse. Wow, imaginative.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

was half of the number written on one cheek and the other half on t'other?

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I think he was wearing saltire underpants. Just because, you know, people might not think a man in a kilt looks very Scottish.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
Runner wins ruling against 118118

Hurrah for David Bedford!

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

yes huzzah! the 118 118 people were cowardly weaselly fuXors, denying they'd ever heard of him.

pete s, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Punishment to all people who dare to caricature people without their permission!

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

No. I liked the ads they were cool. But after Bedford worked out it was him they should have been gracious enogh to admit it and give him something in return for using his image. But as i said they responded with 'David Bedf - whoooo? Never heard of him mate'.

pete s, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Have Honda paid off those Swiss artists who did the original 'cog' film yet?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Or Volkswagen for ripping off Gillian Waring

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Who was it who made those ads where people were licking anything and everything orange in the hope it was... Fanta maybe? That idea came from an animated series called Fly Tales that I script edited in 1998-9 - the hero of the series totally adores orangeade (it's a running gag) and one episode has him try to consume, with increasingly hilarious results, everything he sees that's the colour of orangeade.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Also a feature of Kenan and Kel on Nickleodeon

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
Not a programme I usually watch, but the Money Programme was about directory enquiries this evening. The (in)accuracy rates were astonishing - of the four they tested, BT was the best at 88%, which still strikes me as awfully low. My favourite stat was the one at the end, that if we all remembered the train enquiries number, then the 118 companies would lose a million pounds a year! The BBC's article about this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3724875.stm

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)


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