Would it be really unprofessional...

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...to respond to a coworker's email with an email consisting solely of the words "Fuck you, you lazy cow"? It's nicer than what I want to say to her. Thoughts?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Only if you include an animated gif of a dancing cow. Possibly wearing a polka-dotted dress.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That would require more effort than the email is worth.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

just not replying at all may be better?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the tactic I'm choosing.

The basic story is that, in short, I really can't tell what exactly this girl does besides occasional HR bullshit. She's also one of the only notaries in the company. I normally don't ask her to notarize anything because she's obnoxious about it--she sends nasty emails bitching about having to, god forbid, spend 4 seconds signing her name and date stamping something. However, the girl I normally use--a very nice and far busier than this other girl person--wasn't around the day I needed something done, so I forwarded the documents to Girl A. Girl A proceeds to lose the documentation and is now bitching me out for even daring to send her the stuff in the first place.

How do you nicely tell someone that A) you are higher than they are in the company B) you don't have time for their bullshit C) you want to stab them in the eye with a tuning fork?

I guess just ignoring the email completely is best.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe if you put it in one of those kitten cards it would be ok?!

Tell her straight, although probably keeping the swears to a minimum might be a better way to go. But you are definitely in a position to let her know that you are tired of her crap.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"Listen you little pile of pigshit, you better figure out which way the wind blows around here and figure it out damn quick! Now get me a latte!"

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, the word you have to use here is INSUBORDINATION. I know it's long and she might not understand it, but...

Telling her she's insubordinate is easily the best way to go. You haven't sworn, but you HAVE told her she's not as important as the gum on your shoe and you will do it within earshot of HER boss, who should hear about the silly bitch losing the paperwork too.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

if someone told me i was being insubordinate i'd laugh at them and walk out... regardless of whether i was or not. i really would advise against pulling words like that out of the bag. they really get people's backs up. last time this happened in my workplace, it was a with a guy and i threatened to knock him out...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

not that i'm advising that course of action either, but it worked in this instance

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but if she isn't doing her own job & is hindering Ally's progress in her role, then something has to be done.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone told me I was being insubordinate once and my reply was something along the lines of 'for that to be the case, there's wishful thinking on your part'.

Ally's annoying colleague sounds like someone in need of an ego check and, well, insubordination is the official term for what this woman is doing. Swearing at colleagues or offering them out for fights never good, although the fantasy is.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is, at least apologize for losing the bloody closing document! How on earth does someone lose something like that?

The problem is that, with this company, actually letting someone's supervisor know that their employee is, in a word, shit is about as helpful as stabbing yourself in the ear really hard with a q-tip. Actually, stabbing myself would be more helpful at this point. Her supervisor--the HR manager--mysteriously "never received" a pile of written complaints about another higher up here after an event at a Christmas party in which he went literally slap happy on some employees.

The complaints were signed and filed in her office with her watching.

I'm basically just holding my breath until December 20th, and then I never have to see these people again. I've never, ever in my entire life seen such a crew of completely incompetent, ridiculously overblown creatures in my entire life. No amount of Columbia intelligencia self-importance could even come close to rivaling the amazing amount of fatuous horn-blowing that goes around Millennium. They're too busy screaming about how important and busy they are to notice that the company is going under. Badly and quickly and no one is DOING ANYTHING to stop it cos if they're too busy to sign a notary stamp they're certainly too busy to worry about the fact that every hotel we've built in the past two years has been riddled with mold because we're using an incompetant builder.

They're all so bloody self-impressed but we haven't got one actually solid product to show for it. The hotel sector, which is my division, lost $50 million last year. $50 fucking million! If they'd fire half of these useless gits and either let the competent people work harder or hire even halfway better workers (for example, trained dogs), we'd be in less of a predicament. The problem is that now none of the competent people are willing to do a thing because why bother when you've got other people who haven't worked a full week in two years who get paid three times the salary you do.

This is basically the result of basing an entire hiring practice for a multi-million corporation on the concept of "We only hire very attractive people". Sometimes you need to look at things besides the way a person looks and dresses and they just didn't. At all. And it's very, very obvious with a lot of these people.

Wow that's a long rant. It's only three more months but god does it have to be so unbearable? Would it be more bearable if I didn't realize I was quitting six months ago?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe, but you just gotta focus on where you will be & not on where you currently are. it's tough, but if you have some sort of plan re timescales, then this is what you must do.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(xpost)

She's not being insubordinate unless she's (a) directly under Ally and (b) employed as a notary public. Since I don't think either of those are true (if I'm wrong, you know, ignore me), she's just being a bitch, because Ally is asking her to do something outside of her work role. It really is more like Ally is saying "Get me a latte!"

I mean, Ally's totally right that the woman is being a bitch, since it's neither demeaning nor time-consuming and she did decide to become a notary pubilc...

The only notary public I ever worked with acted exactly the same way (but then again also worked diligently at one of the hardest, most annoying jobs in the office, so no one was really going to call her on her bitchiness).

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Swearing at colleagues or offering them out for fights never good, although the fantasy is.

i beg to differ suzy - it really worked in my case. never agin was the guy in question insubordinate. i hate sorting thing out in a corporate way as you have to say things like: "i am your line manager and you are being un professional" instead of what you're thinking or what you'd do in the real world: "do that again, you stupid bastard, and i'll batter you..."

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Dave my innate American 'don't say or do anything in the workplace that = lawsuit' thing kicked in.

My mom is a notary. Maybe Ally should send the documents to her!

suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i am all for more workplace violence

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd probably be more reliable than sending it to anyone I work with, suzy!

I'm just going to take off Wednesday and get a bloody notary myself but if they fucking dock me a day for doing work-related business I'm going to lose my shit completely.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(in terms of the notary thing being part of her job description, she gets a higher salary because she is a notary and can be used as such, since public notaries are a necessary evil at a real estate firm. So, yes, it is part of her job to do this. Especially since she works in the sales office--the reason she can do HR as well is because WE HAVE NO SALES ALMOST EVER COS WE SUCK EGGS)

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Send her an email reiterating your request for notarization and "CC:" the person(s), if any, at your company who cares if the documents get notarized and then forget about it. There is only so much you can do.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i love CC-ing stuff

mark s (mark s), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I always include myself as a "CC:" when I ghostwrite correspondence for others.

Quiz: Do you (1) "bcc:" higher-ups on the theory they shouldn't appear to be bothered with this but are or (2) "bcc:" lower-downs on the theory that they need to know but shouldn't appear to be doing the work?

felicity (felicity), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Was this waste-of-oxygen's e-mail gratuitously offensive? If yes, respond to her politely saying something like "I wish you'd let me know that you were going to be so busy." Make sure her e-mail is included in your as a quotation. Then send it, CCing or BCCing her primary supervisor.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I never BCC.

It was gratuitiously rude and implied that a couple lower-down people in my department are basically useless and stupid because they are not notaries. It also tells me off for not being a notary (the test is at 11am on Wednesdays only; I've not been allowed to leave to take it once in the four years I've been here). Basically it's just uselessly rude for no apparent reason, especially since the company paid for her notary license and subsequent renewal and she got a salary increase on the basis of being one of only two notaries.

But I'm kind of over it, I'm just ignoring her. She often calls me for help because she's useless but self-important, so I'm just going to ignore everything but what I have to do until she gets the hint. It's childish but like I said, I'm quitting anyway, wtf do I care?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I know I've suggested this before, but have you tried saying:

"Where did you get that dress? Its awful . . . and those shoes, and that coat, geeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz."

...until she cries?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer is completely OTM.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer, you really are the west coast me, wtf. That's exactly what I'd like to do. It's better cos she's pregnant so I'm sure she already feels a bit insecure about the whole physicality.

(Oh and before anyone gets annoyed that I'm ragging on a moody pregnant girl A) that's not an excuse B) she was like this three years ago so it's not like it's why she's doing it anyway)

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

that's a shame about her reproducing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know :(

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Forward her "helpful" links about horrific birth stories.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"Mmm, hope it goes well. Have you seen Alien?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Quiz: Do you (1) "bcc:" higher-ups on the theory they shouldn't appear to be bothered with this but are or (2) "bcc:" lower-downs on the theory that they need to know but shouldn't appear to be doing the work?

I BCC peers in similar situations as a "heads up" if it's something they may want to be aware of. Sometimes I do it as an "I told you so" along the same lines. Then again, you can always forward from your sent folder but I guess that's not as fun as "BCC".

Most of the times I'm BCC'ed is on huge chain joke emails.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)


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