corollary to the "how to make friends" thread: what next?

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That was a good thread, as I remember it. But now I'm in college, and I don't really know what to do...I spend a lot of time in the common room, joined clubs, introduce myself to people. But the kind of interactions from those aren't real friendships, they're hanging out and then going away and having nobody care if you're there or not or if they never see you again. Is there any advice you can possibly offer for this, or is it just one of those things that has to come naturally?

I thought it would take awhile, but it's been a month and I've realized in the last couple of days that everyone else I know has made good friends, and it's kind of disarming. Should I just let it be and assume I'm slower than most people?

ps Liz if you read this please don't laugh at me or show anyone...okay I can't stop you from laughing but it's a particularly lonely night.

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't overly fret -- it took me a while to get to know people beyond simply being dormmates and people I always saw in class. And in terms of lasting friendships from college, they only started for me when I joined KLA about six, seven months after college started. If other folks seem like they're already making 'good friends,' it may well be a very basic 'hey, we have this in common and I feel really lonely, let's talk' kind of reaction.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, what Ned said. The only friend from college I'm still close with -- the only one I have any contact with at all -- I met a couple months in to the semester, when I moved into the dorms, and we probably weren't really friends until close to Christmas.

It isn't necessarily a reflection at all on how quickly you make friends; it might just be that the people who are the most "visible," the most accessible to you right now, aren't people you connect with. (That doesn't mean those people aren't there.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with all the above, but keep up the effort to be social, eventually you'll click with someone.

And don't be fooled by the "everyone else has friends already" feeling. Chances are those relationships are more tenuous then they appear. And don't fall into the passive trap of "if it doesn't happen naturally, its not meant to be."

Maybe try to get someone who seems cool to hang out with you one on one. Movies are always a good excuse for this. Or getting a bite to eat.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

what they said. i didn't make good friends at univerity until the end of my first year there. and most of the people i ended up being good friends with were years older than me.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

One thing that I've been realizing in the last year or so is that almost everybody else's (that is, all those extroverts) definition of what constituted a friend was/is much looser than mine. If I were to view friendship the way that most people apparently do, I could call all the people I now only consider casual aquaintances friends.

In as much as there can be a right answer to what is obviously purely a judgement call, I believe that I'm right. Under what twisted view of relationships can one call another person with whom they have shot the shit a couple of times and maybe know what each other do for a living or what their major is friends? It just seems like cynical goal-minded "networking" to me. If that's the secret life of the outgoing set, I'm glad I have as few friends as I do.

Dan I., Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(ha, speaking of cynicism)

Dan I., Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't think of it as a binary, think of it as a spectrum. If I vaguely know you, because you're that guy who came to that party with Amanda's boyfriend Steve, you're an acquaintance. If I know you well enough to want to catch up with you at the next party, or call you up when we're all going to see Return of the King, you're somewhere in the friend range -- even if you're not the guy I'd call when my grandfather dies or I win the lottery.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's what I think, but it seems to me that to many people "I see person X at the bar and at a couple parties = they are my friend".

Dan I., Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

If someone holds your legs while you do a keg stand are they automatically your friend?

Dan I., Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, get out of town, of course they are, that's serious bonding!

(Yeah, I don't know. I'm somewhere in the introvert area.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm horrible at this. I relate completely, Maria. It's been a little over a year since I climbed out of a vodka bottle and I was always a hole-up-in-the-apartment-don't-answer-the-phone-for-weeks-or-months kind of drinker. My interests are writing and cartooning -- very solitary activities. A.A. seemed like a place to meet folks with a common interest, but Jesus, that shit is every bit as preposterous and mind-numbing and annoying as TV satires of it make it sound. I'm underemployed with co-workers who don't relate to me and vice-versa. I'm totally fucked in the making friends department. And even when I meet people I like a lot and "connect" with I think it freaks me out ... Anyway, no advice here, and my situation is I'm sure a lot bleaker than your first-semester-at-college blues, but ... well, ya struck a chord. I should actually delete this but, fuck it.

ScottRC (ScottRC), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria - I'm one of the more socially-inept people you'll meet, and I felt like the man in college. A lot of it has to do with just showing up - spending a lot of time in the common room (what about the hallway?) sounds like a good start. And seek out people with similar interests - if you see someone wearing a t-shirt for a band you like, go up and talk to them. But also be willing to meet different people even if you think they might not be your type. Do you think a party isn't your scene? Go anyway. You sound pretty smart and self-aware but to some extent college is about figuring out who you are, and you should be willing to experiment within your boundaries.

Another phenomenon, although it may be particular to the place I went to school, involves creating a persona for yourself. You can do that through just being active in a club or activity. Or you can do it through what you wear, what you say in class, etc. While there are ways to bring your personality into public, you can also experiment with the personality you show off. You're part of a big group and if you have a label to attach to yourself you'll get recognized which is half the battle (although there are dangers involved). I somehow stumbled into winning a student government election my freshman year and thus became semi-well-known for 4 years. It's a free way to plaster your name all over campus.

Yes, these are often superficial relationships that you'll form right away. Some will grow deeper. For all the people I knew in college I had only a few very close friends. But these things take time to develop. One of my best friends lived on the other side of a wall from my bed my first year, and while we were friendly during our first year we didn't become really close until our third. You'll have first-year friends, second-year, and so on.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

that second paragraph makes me want to puke.
don't be fake. don't try to hard. you'll only meet people who do the same.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

having a persona does not = being fake, necessarily

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess not, but it's a fine line that you yourself may not even know has been crossed.
I would say to just be nice to everyone, take an interest in them, initiate conversations and 'make the first move', ie ask them if they want to hang out/go do something, ANYthing.

And don't be fooled by the "everyone else has friends already" feeling. Chances are those relationships are more tenuous then they appear.

Totally OTM. I thought that about a group of people during my freshman year. They all seemed to know each other already (they did actually--most of them went to HS together but weren't friends there) and I felt like the outsider. Once I was 'on the inside' for awhile, I saw that they were basically all just clinging onto this tenious connection they had and pretty soon I was closer to some of them then any of them were to each other.

Also, get drunk and act the fool. Everyone likes that.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

scott you make crippling loneliness sound so romantic!!

trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with most of what has been said here already, and think the key is to try and relax about it all. making new friends takes ages, in my experience.

i went to another country when i was 20, met heaps of people through work and eventually got invited to parties where i met even more people. it wasnt until i had spent 9 months 'hanging out', that i finally made real friends with people i had met along the way and felt drawn to.
now im back to starting all over again, in my home country. im almost 20 years older and still find it difficult to make new friends. however, persistence does pay off, and i am, at last, able to say truthfully i have made 4 friends here now. i havent 'chased after' anyone or been revoltingly nice all the time to everyone in sight, but just by consistently turning up to certain group-things i have managed to reach a point of being comfortable enough to feel a part of it all, and recognised for what and who i am, even liked!

my point? it takes time, and you need to be a bit brave about it too. there may be some nights and days that seem endlessly lonely, but they Will pass. dont concern yourself with how long or how many or what anyone else is doing or may think. be yourself, be open to friendship with people if they attract you in that way and trust me, it will be ok.

good luck.

donna (donna), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I could probably use some advice on this topic as well.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

whats the KLA? Kansas Livestock Association? Kosovo Liberation Army?

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria, in my first year of university I invited so many people back to my kitchen for tea and toast (Sheffield is quite a cold part of Britain) that it became a running joke with my flatmates. There are many people i met in the first few months that were nothing like me at all, but lots of others who are still great friends now. (I spoke to one on the phone this morning)
Everyone else is new too, think of it as a gathering and sifting process. You seem like an interesting and thoughtful person, don't worry, it just takes some time and the occassional bout of 'what am I doing here' is just to be expected.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Took me all three years at uni to make any 'real' friends.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria, don't forget that the great majority of people you make friends with/hang out with in the first few weeks will be just the people you're thrown together with - one or two friendships will probably come out of it, but as you each realise what these acquaintanceships can give you, there'll be a lot of natural drifting apart. You'll end up with lots of people you say hi to in the corridor, but few really close friends. These are the type of friends that will grow gradually, maybe imperceptibly, over the next 6 months or longer, and they'll seldom be friends you've gone looking for - they'll just happen organically.

So don't worry if you feel you don't have a ready-made social circle like some others seem to do. For one, comparing yourself to them is useless, and is likely to make you worry rather than look at things objectively. Two, as has been said, it's very unlikely many people have formed deep friendships yet - they might just be louder, or more open, or more desperate even.

Just enjoy hanging out with people and getting to know them, and you'll find, by and large, that friendships happen with the right ones. Also let yourself enjoy the times you have by yourself - there are often precious few of them at college.

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

As an addendum to what Anna said, cook for people, everyone likes a good friendly meal, you cook they bring something for the pot/booze. Tea and toast is a great ice breaker but stew is even better.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks guys, i feel better now. (can't cook for anyone tho, can't even have a hot pot, sniff sniff.)

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)

can you not even have a kettle and toaster in your room? isn't their a kitchen of sorts on your floor?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I think getting drunk and acting the fool did work a tiny little bit for me. Not brilliantly, but a little bit. But I had to stop drinking in order not to die a few years ago, which has, alas, resulted in the world discovering what a tedious dullard I really am.

As to cooking: I'm a whiz with ready-made dinners and boil-in-the-bag! Okay on sandwiches too. Hmmm. Yes.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

A cup of tea or coffee is fine. Or if you're going out get the people living nearest into the shared area or biggest bedroom for a bottle of wine (actually, can you do this in America? Does the drinking age change from state to state, or is it all 21?)

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all 21.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't make any lasting friendships at all at university, and there are only a couple of people that I regret not staying in touch with. My friends now (about three years after graduating) are all either a) people I went to school with and kept in touch with, b) people I've got to know through the internet c) people i've met through those people.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

This is interesting. The whole "inviting people to tea/dinner" sounds so great in theory, but I've always felt so odd attempting to do this. In some weird way it feels like I'm asking for a date! I've never really had big problems befriending males because it's somehow more accepted to go through the pick-up motions even if it just ends up as a friendship and nothing romantic ever happens. But I don't think I've ever walked up to some girl in a bar and just started talking, however much I've wanted to. Nor has anyone ever befriended me in that way. I think this might be some strange inhibition that I need to work on, god knows I could use some girlfriends.

Hanna (Hanna), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the ppl you are just about to ask to tea are generally thinking "god i hope that person break the ice and asks me to tea otherwise i will certainly die alone"

anyway they are NEVER EVER thinking "i bet that person is abt to ask me to tea, at which point i shall laugh in their face and say HAHA WHAT A CONVENTIONAL FAKE PERSONA YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTED - I UTTERLY DISDAIN YOU AND YR FORCED and CONTEMPTIBLE ATTEMPTS AT SOCIAL BONDING!!"

(or if they do actually say this, you know they are a complete idiot and probably well worth avoiding)

(or a misunderstood genius) (but these are usually worth avoiding also)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i was always good at making friend with people in common living spaces since i would flop on a couch in a common area and read/doze and just talk to everyone that came in.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

also i mean once you've talked to ppl. a few times and know who has mildly common interests invite them off to things you think you might both be interested in, or even scare up a few people from a larger group. that sorta builds friendship bonds itself coz you get to talk about some people behind the other's backs. which in general is one of the keys to friendship.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"gossip" derives from the phrase "god's sib" = "sib(ling) in god" = spiritually related!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hanna i have the same problem. my guy friends tell me it is because girl are all crazy/nuerotic. however, being one myself i tend to disagree with this theory. my personal theory is that it is because i grew up with only my brothers as playmates (i lived on a fairly secluded farm), and relate to them easier.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I have male friends who will keep up with football just so they can make small talk with other men (An example of this was when Toby met my dad, they both have a vague interest and carried on a football conversation thinking this was what the other woud feel comfortable with, they'd have been better off talking food, but there you go).

With women, I've always found 'oh I like your shoes/ lipstick/ t-shirt etc works very well as a starting point. Even if they aren't particualrly girly people because everyone likes a compliment.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all part of the Crisis of Masculinity.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

and of femininity?

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all part of the universal desire to fit in and be accepted that almost always leads to people saying what they think the other person wants to hear. It must work pretty well, too, because I'm totally rubbish at it, and my empty calendar speaks volumes...

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

my problem is how to make female friends, of either the platonic kind or other...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

there's another kind?:

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds as if you've made a decent start, Maria. It is very early days. As well as all the other sensible things said here, I can assure you that some of those who have hooked up are already wishing they hadn't, because they are realising that the other person is horrible and they will be pretty much stuck with seeing them in the same classroom/hall every day for ages and ages.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

When in doubt, break out the pasties.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Good question. I had no friends in college because I didn't go to their prep schools. Then in grad school and later New York it was very easy to make "friends" because I had this pedigree, where we could talk about how socially horrible our college was and psych everyone else out about it.

But seriously, to fill the time it may be good to undertake an activity or two that you sincerely want to do for its own sake and not just because you want to make friends, and stick with it. Do the public interest ones if you really have no particualr interests. You'll emanate an intangible air of competence and satisfaction that will attract potential friends and of course you are bound to meet people that way.

Good luck Maria and don't worry, after Thanksgiving or winter break I bet you will see how many people will be happy to see you again!

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh. Why can't we ever have a thread about how to KEEP friends? I seem to keep losing them. Well, I don't lose them, I mean, I still know where they are, they just don't talk to me or return my emails any more. :-(

kate (kate), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah no one returns my emails, even if they beg me to return theres, and i do it, they still don't reply. people, grr!

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

She like, "Why you don't buy me Reeboks no more?"

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

She like

She bop a ree bop.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I bop. You bop. Ah-they bop.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

OH! She bop.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Be bop a lula, she's my baby.
Be bop a lula, I don't mean maybe.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 26 September 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with the people that encourage you to seek out people with your interests in common. sounds like a cliche, but college is one of the few places where the social structure is set up to accomodate that. i made some friends in the dorms, a few friends at orientation, but the friends that i still talk to are from the student groups that i joined. i started trying out groups my first and second year, and had settled into several groups that i liked by my third and fourth year. even though it sounds totally dorky, my best friends from college are people that i met through student government (you don't need to run for anything, there's always stuff that needs doing) and the feminist groups that i ran...good luck!

colette (a2lette), Friday, 26 September 2003 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)


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