RFI: Open E-Voting Systems

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Does anyone know if there is an Opensource or otherwise e-voting project out there. I talking about voting for governments type thing. It has occurred to me and many others out there that e-voting machines ought to be developed in the most open way possible to allow for the sort of massive peer review that would root out any nefarious intentions concealed within e-voting systems by unscrupulous people.

Searching the EFF, Freshmeat, Slashdot, Sourceforge etc. has brought up nothing but concerns about various proprietary systems used around the world.

I'd be prepared to start the project myself, but I no nothing of coding, system architecture or even how to start/run such an endeavour.

Any ideas about this anyone.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

it's interesting you should mention this... there is an e-voting initiative in Ireland, and it's likely that the next general election will be run completely electronically. In their infinite wisdom our overlords have opted for a non-open source proprietory system, and have insisted the software is very secure and reliable despite the fact that they (or anyone outside the company) has seen the source code.

this has attracted some hostile commment, but mostly from people who are have some inkling of how computers work, so the public are not very exercised by it.

to be honest, if you look at this issue in any way seriously, paper ballot papers are obviously the way to go when you are running elections.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

but given that there seems to be a forced inevitability of e-voting, shouldn't the people get control of the electronic democratic process?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The value of opensource for such a project is an excellent insight.

Heck by keeping things decentralized like that the very nature of this project would be slightly subversive isn'it?

It would also be the way to go for an e-jurisprudence

Mobile communication, pervasive computing, wireless networks are technologies that would easily and inexpensively permit to hold referendums on issues concerning everyone, back toward a true "face to face" democracy.

You could try to network with people at http://www.smartmobs.com/index.html

(digression: daydreaming of those possibilities, I'm thinking a network of coops could post their offers and demands as dynamic content on a website, members reading it in the morning or on the go could work at a different place, doing different tasks every day.
psychogeography = a theoritical approach full of potential to explore these new grounds.
heh... flash mobbing as coordinated work crews vs " communism made possible by IT" why not?
Better means communication = ppl relate to other's struggle and feel solidarity when breakthrough are making the life of their virtual co-workers easyer: it makes the pie bigger for everyone and diminish the pain! joy!

I'll try to find something a bit more concrete on "Open E-Voting Systems" asap

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

but given that there seems to be a forced inevitability of e-voting, shouldn't the people get control of the electronic democratic process?

if the overlords are forcing through e-voting inevitably you can bet they will also force it through in a rubbish manner, so no control of the process for people pranks for you.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Australian Open Source E-Voting System for Iraq?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

a friend forwarded me other good info
FreeDevelopers.net Has the Open Source Software Technology Ready for the Next Presidential Election

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3169706.stm

BUSH WINS LANDSLIDE!

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"You have registered your vote for candidate Ahnholdt. Thank you for using the Skynet e-Democracy Facilitation System"

robster (robster), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a real shame that people who care about democracy are not more worked up about this as an issue.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
from http://www.ntk.net/

NTK subscriber JASON KITCAT has been hacking away on
electronic voting systems long before they became
unfashionable. And by "hack" here, we mean, mostly, the
exact opposite: carefully investigating a secure, reliable,
open source system that might actually work, rather than the
hodge-podge of bad security and whizz-nag touchscreens that
dominate the commercial offerings. These days, as the rush
to introduce voting machines overtakes the slow pace of
getting them right, Jason's joined with cyberrights groups
across Europe to try and at least slow down the acceptance
of these sub-standard Diebold-style cheat-o-matics. Right
now, the EU's position has been (to use the rhetorical form
pioneered by Kitcat's choccie namesake) "you can't verify
your vote, you can't authenticate your privacy, you look
awful - you'll go a long way". Kitcat's resolution to
encourage voter-verifiable audit trails in European voting
machines might help stop that. You can sign it at the URL
below, and follow in the illustrious footsteps of MPs,
ukcrypto wonks and some bearded Free Software guy whose name
escapes us.
http://www.free-project.org/resolution/
- ah but how can we *prove* he signed it?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 9 November 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Douglas Ruskoff's book Open Source Democracy: How online communication is changing offline politics is published in an open access licence which allows you to download it for free (it's a 297KB pdf file).

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 29 January 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

michigan is supposedly having an internet-voting option in its primary next week. however, when i'm trying to register to use it, it isn't even working.

how mad am i?

colette (a2lette), Friday, 30 January 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

In the UK we're just trying to pilot Postal-voting, let alone e-voting (I know this cos my flatmate is actually working on that bill!!!). So it's probably a way off. If banks are run on computers, I can't see how the integrity of electronic election systems can be that much more difficult to be assured.

In america I guess this could tie in with that RFID passport thingie too.


Although from the BBC article.
An ordinary voter could alter the outcome of an election, he believes.

surely that is the point of an election.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 30 January 2004 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
http://extremedemocracy.com/

Online Book on Extreme Democracy
What is Extreme Democracy?

Preface
Foreword

1. Emergent Democracy

2. The Second Superpower

3. Power Laws, Weblogs, and Inequality

4. Deep Confidence in the People

5.Building on Experience

6. Two ways to emerge, and how to tell the difference between them.

7. From the Screen to the Streets

8. The dead hand of modern democracy: Lessons for emergent post-modern democrats

9. It's the Conversations, stupid! The Link between Social Interaction and Political Choice

10. Social Network Dynamics and Participatory Politics

11. eVoting

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)


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