Lesbians being upset by holding the door?

in no way had i ever considered letting a door close behind me on *anyone* male or female. i didnt know it was considered to be something that only men do for women, like say pulling out a charir in a restaurant .
imagine ! 'oh hang on here's a man coming, if i hold the door for him he might think i'm one of them fruits' (SLAMS DOOR IN HIS FACE).

I've never had a problem with men holding the door open for me. Some people (male and female) do it in a really unpleasant, unctious way, of course, which sort of makes me want to deck them, but isn't it just common courtesy? It's worst when people are right in front of you and don't hold it open, even though they know you're there, because O they are Just Too Busy And Important, and that does tend to be middle-aged men. Perhaps they just have really good 'dar and think I'd be upset if they did.

Eh, I'll still open doors for people whether they like it or not!

-- Blood and sparkles (trixy-cybel...), September 29th, 2003 3:35 AM. (bloodandsparkles) (later)

But then, if I do it for someone who was farther behind me than I thought then it gets awkward waiting around, so I just let it close and by that point they've actually made it to the door and I am a huge asshole.

- B-15 Project

Well I'm not. I think it's just great.

Ah, okay.

What if the door is held open by someone whose sexual preference cannot be determined?

Sam, why are you opening-up such thorny issues? I mean, where would the line be drawn between the butches and the femmes? And would there be fights? And would they be called chick fights? And would the men come to watch them? And would the women be pissed that the men were there and stake-out the doors to keep the men from opening them?

also wear a T-shirt w. "The War of All Against All Hurrah!!" on it

if this doesn't get you laid i can't think what will

when an unspoken rule delivers an unexpected and unwanted outcome it is surely time to start talking about how the rule is seen

A: attempts small politeness
B: rebuffs A (for whatever personal reason)
A: throws tantrum bcz not awarded LOCAL KING OF FARSIGHTED SOCIAL ENGINEERING badge

(i am posting and in a v.contrary mood bcz i am researching the prices of STAIR LIFTS btw and the mood-mode of the websites of same is making me v.hobbesian)

What is the proper ettiquette?

If it's someone behind you and otherwise the door is set to slam in their face, then yes, obviously one should hold it open for anyyone (as long as they're not more than about 3 seconds behind you).

The 'open the door for them and let them through first' manouevre should perhaps be reserved for joking with friends or girlfriends who are into it.

I am pretty certain that in any century's etiquette you choose, men are making a pig's ear of things if you end up having to duck under their arm.

I'll dream about struggling with open door policies.

-- Tracer Hand

Fuck you Tracer. Just fuck you.

(sorry mate)

What happens if you're approaching a glass door (into a shop, say), and you see someone approaching from the other side?

Here's what has to happen: if the door opens away from you, you must go through first, pushing the door, if this will not involve bashing your opponent on the nose. Then you hold the door open for the other person.

If the door only opens towards you, then the other person gets through first.

In the first example, that is the door that needs a push, if you try to open it to let the other person through first, and the door turns out to be heavy and stiff, then you will waste seconds through your clumsiness, and involuntarily commit molestation, and worse.

Another problem arises if you come to a heavy pull-type door with another person - of indeterminate sexuality - following close behind you. The effort of the pull, and resultant momentum, means there is a gap of a second or more between your successfully opening the door and being in a fit state to continue your journey. Therefore it is more efficient if your follower precedes you, however their politics. Trouble comes if one or both of you fail to understand this.

But trouble always comes. There are many more problems.

I make a point of slamming the door in the face of people of indeterminate sexuality. They respect that.

What about revolving doors. I let other people do all the pushing for me, often waiting in a David Blainesque glass cell for minutes until someone comes along to complete my rvolution.

BBC bosses were criticised yesterday for spending more than pounds 1,000 of licence payers' money on 3,000 leaflets explaining how to walk through revolving doors.

"I'm almost lost for words," said the Conservative media spokesman, Peter Ainsworth. "It looks like bureaucracy gone mad. Someone in the BBC is being paid to do this stuff. That person should be sought out and dismissed as a cost saving."

His incredulity was echoed by many BBC staff who use the electronic revolving doors at Television Centre in west London. "For most of my life I have managed to get through doors without requiring written instructions," said one.

But the glossy leaflets were defended by a BBC spokesman. "Hundreds of people were getting stuck," he said. "The doors are complicated and if you don't go into them properly they start to go backwards and eject you."

The spokesman said some users were becoming stuck part-way round because the electronic mechanism would stop.

"We have important personages coming through here and it was difficult for security people to have to give them instructions on how to use the doors," he said. "The leaflet is just a more diplomatic way of going about it."

The ejecting doors were introduced in September as a security measure after an intruder jumped barriers at the centre last year and ran into the newsroom, coming within feet of Anna Ford.

Most employees do not seem to see the doors as an insurmountable problem. "Basically, all you have to do is put your fob on a little pad, then shuffle round as the doors move," said one BBC journalist.

The leaflet gives step-by-step instructions such as: "Move immediately into the available space. The door will automatically turn as you walk around - do not push ... exit the door as the opening becomes available."

The most important BBC guests and high-calibre executives such as Greg Dyke rarely use the revolving doors. Their chauffeurs take them to a discreet and simple stage door.

No BBC official could confirm whether the director general had got stuck in the doors or been electronically ejected.

"it is never bad manners to kill a yippy dog"

NA, you and I should have a little talk,I think I may have a job for you....

Obviously the ideal situation is that you see that you'll both reach the door at the same time, so you rush forwards to push it open for them, but it actually opens towards you and you break your nose all down it. It's certainly what I'd do.

What in the hell is a fob and do I have one?

Isn't shuffling one of the early signs of mental illness?

Does one shuffle round clockwise or counterclockwise? Does it matter whether you're north or south of the equator?

Fascinating stuff.

Hmmm. I wonder how you ascertain that the person for whom you are opening the door is in fact lesbian? I mean, can one just assume? My mother told me never to assume.

For the most part I'll stick with the latter; maybe it's a different here in Norway (we're wellknown as somewhat cold and introverted people, except on the boat to Denmark or at Ibiza) but the whole stopping and holding the door open for everyone who's going out next seems really unnatural to me.
The few times I've experienced someone doing it, it's felt really uncomfortable.

Welcome to my universe.
Then again, I'm NO good at doing the gentleman things either, aaaand I don't think I've ever even flirted with anyone.
Hooray for being some sort of social flotsam.

I can imagine that it is the hot issue around the watercooler and needed management action. 1000 quid to enable people to get to their desks seems reasonable to me, but is obv. political correctness gone MAD!!

This lesbian disease seems to be spreading to doors nationwide nowadays.
Is this really the sort of thing we want our families put up with when trying to enter a building?
The BBC should bring back Dirty Den, he'd give these lesbians a good bloody seeing to.
That would sort them out.

(sorry, reading an old Viz)