Hackers C or D?

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There's something intensely romantic, isn't there, surrounding the idea that some 17 year old kid can hack into a website run by an all-powerful corporation (or even government)? Perhaps it's a new type of protest, of rebellion, since they've stopped listening to other kinds. it kind of fits with the *ideal* of democracy, no, that one person can make this huge impact?

But along with being rebellious obviously, there's a sort of wittiness to it. It's not really hurting anyone (usually) and it comes with an air of cleverness. Better than throwing bricks through the windows of Barnes and Noble by far.

Or not?

(www.amazon.com might disagree at the moment)

j c, Thursday, 2 October 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

the first book listed at amazon dot com as I type is a piece called "hacking tivo"!!

Part of me wishes I had the |337 sk1llz to deface websites - it would be a wonderful way of getting back at people who've fucked me over, at least, but it's probably a good thing I can't.

YU0 = 0\/\/|\|3D, Fux0R!@#!@#

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 2 October 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd say it's both classic and dud, depending on the hackers/crackers/"phreakers"(AHHAHAHAHFAHFAFASHIGOASIOGA) motive.

I really, really hate it when some really good site gets hacked by some loser, who deletse all the files. And the site gets shut down because they for some dumb reason don't have backups.
I've seen this happen to many good sites that have no political focus or anything that would lead you to believe that the hacking would be for any good reason (well, there's always the personal vendetta thing, of course!)

And the whole thing sort of lost its charm years ago when all sorts of kids got on the internet and download cracking programs from websites and go to work with those, isntead of, y'know, knowing what the hell they're doing.
The great clicknuke-wars of 98/99, anyone?

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 2 October 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

And the whole thing sort of lost its charm years ago when all sorts of kids got on the internet and download cracking programs from websites and go to work with those, isntead of, y'know, knowing what the hell they're doing.

Would have taken actual work, when "fast food hacking" is so much simpler.


Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 2 October 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

AN IMPORTANT NOTE ON NOMENCLATURE
Ahem.
First of all, a "hacker" is a clever programmer who knows clever and obscure secrets of computer networking. The act of breaking into someone elses servers is the act of a "cracker"; and is largely frowned upon by real hackers.
There is a definite heirarchy amongst the hackish and "crackers" are considered to be very low on the totem pole.

The Heirarchy (from most respected to least respected):


  • GURU
  • WIZARD
  • THE ELITE
  • HACKER
  • PROGRAMMER
  • INFORMED USER
  • UNINFORMED USER (aka L'USER)
  • CRACKER
  • WAR3Z D00D
  • (pond scum)
  • VULTURE CAPITALIST
  • (vaginal yeast)
  • POINTY HAIRED BOSSES / SKR1PT K1DD13 (tie)
  • (cockroaches)
  • MARKETROID
  • (flesh eating bacteria)
  • VIRUS BUILDER

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 3 October 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

jonny lee miller, yum. crap film though.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 3 October 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

the soundtrack was great!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 October 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Hackers just stole the source code for Half-Life 2 which is now circulating on the internet. This includes a lot of source code from Havok, a company that a lot of my friends work for. Fuck.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 3 October 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

No, see upthread at LCO's comments.. Those would be *crackers* that fuct Havok.

I'm not sure how romantic the hacker thing is in reality. I mean Lamos has a kind of romanticism about him because of the entire 'homeless hacker' thing... But, hacking is generally involves long stretches of time pounding away at security measures until something gives. Not really that glamorous.

Hackers have become much more political over the years though, and I find this much more fascinating than the old 80s phreaker stuff.

Dale the Titled (cprek), Friday, 3 October 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The hackers/crackers nomenclature wars are over, and the bad guys won. Get over it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 3 October 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

NEVER!

Dale the Titled (cprek), Friday, 3 October 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

vicky OTM re:johnny lee miller

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 3 October 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Not gonna give up until every last Skript Kiddie and every last Marketroid are cleansed from the earth by a sterilizing atomic flame!
Besides,
Hackers R Qyuuul
Cracker R Dry Southern Rednex!

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 3 October 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

the movie is totally classic!

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 3 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

no movie has aged as gracefully as 'hackers'

the sir weeze, Monday, 6 August 2007 04:20 (eighteen years ago)

"You're in the butterzone now, baby!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 August 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Vernon Kay has reassured friends and family he's alive and well after his Wikipedia entry claimed he had died.

A hacker had altered the TV star's page to say he'd drowned in a tragic yachting accident in Greece and that his funeral would be this Friday in Bolton.

A hacker had altered the TV star's page to say he'd drowned in a tragic yachting accident in Greece. Vernon was surprised to find his mates calling him to check he was okay after reading the entry.

But he's insisted he's at home and wishes he was actually on holiday in Greece.

Kay's not the first major UK figure to be targeted by Wikipedia vandals - footballer Ashley Cole was famously slurred in the past.

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 13:59 (seventeen years ago)

A hacker or a vandal? I think it's art.

Ste, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:24 (seventeen years ago)

I didn't realise that editing Wikipedia required l33t 5k1llz nowadays.

Forest Pines Mk2, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:28 (seventeen years ago)

The term "hacking" in 2008 is obviously somewhat devalued, if one can be a "hacked" by merely defacing a WP page :( Maybe leaving snotty messages in youtube comment boxes is "hacking" too. (pff x-post, FP beat me to it, obviously he is a "hacker" too)

plastic fork (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

"hacker", nor "hacked" pffff, obviously I have hacked myself too.

plastic fork (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

lol!

(I have "cracked" in my time, in the sense of "break copy-protection", but not very often. The last was a month or two when I wanted to try out a piece of rather specialist software that didn't have any sort of demo-mode)

Forest Pines Mk2, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

a month or two *ago* even

Forest Pines Mk2, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

Not sure how a sentence managed to repeat itself in that c+p by the way but you get the picture

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 15:00 (seventeen years ago)

Hack the planet!!

Adam Bruneau, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)

Did you think I was black?

html tsar (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/sslteam.JPG

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:06 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Good stuff:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/09/chinese-hacking-201109

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)

these two recent articles on stuxnet are pretty good too:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/how-digital-detectives-deciphered-stuxnet-the-most-menacing-malware-in-history.ars
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/how-digital-detectives-deciphered-stuxnet/all/1

reading schneier call stuxnet 'military grade' really makes me realize that we're entering interesting (and slightly frightening) times

ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)

and here's the schneier post i mentioned http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/08/attacking_plcs.html

ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

See I dont understand stuff like stuxnet. What the heck is a freaking nuclear power plant doing with internet access to start with!?

Rameses Street (Trayce), Thursday, 4 August 2011 07:17 (fourteen years ago)

I thought one of the things about stuxnet was that it was designed to spread without internet, precisely because the system it was designed to attack may not be online - it was initially introduced from a USB stick & then exploited intranet-type functions such as printer-networks to spread itself, rather than the usual email/website methods.

just call me brian (krakow), Thursday, 4 August 2011 08:38 (fourteen years ago)

This is the first I've heard of it, but I'm reading the Wired article and it's an utterly fascinating and exciting story.

just call me brian (krakow), Thursday, 4 August 2011 08:48 (fourteen years ago)

I just linked to the Wired article on twitter and garnered this new follower... https://twitter.com/#!/plcdrivesco

just call me brian (krakow), Thursday, 4 August 2011 09:43 (fourteen years ago)

http://dickdestiny.com/blog1/2011/08/03/the-plutocrat-of-cyberwar-speaks/

Gorge, Thursday, 4 August 2011 10:19 (fourteen years ago)

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6587214

StanM, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:40 (fourteen years ago)

That's 7.39 gb of mails about police corruption and coverups and stuff, apparently.

StanM, Saturday, 6 August 2011 22:41 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

http://gizmodo.com/5890825/lulzsec-leader-betrays-all-of-anonymous

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 15:00 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17270822

fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 15:05 (thirteen years ago)

https://img.skitch.com/20120304-kt2w2i7mtjgjjbqi9g61xw88pm.jpg

ಠ﹏ಠ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 15:22 (thirteen years ago)

"He didn't go easy," a law enforcement official involved in flipping Sabu told FoxNews.com. "It was because of his kids. He didn't want to go away to prison and leave them. That's how we got him.

um, would the fbi really come out and say something like this? all sounds fishy to me.

Summer Slam! (Ste), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 15:59 (thirteen years ago)

The actual threat was to lock him in a room with a bunch of people talking about how sad it was that Breitbart died.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 16:09 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it

diamonddave85, Friday, 1 June 2012 16:05 (thirteen years ago)

seven months pass...

BIG ruby on rails vulnerability discovered. if you have a site built on rails, it's probably a good idea to patch it up

https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2013/01/09/serialization-mischief-in-ruby-land-cve-2013-0156

big fat dictionary (diamonddave85), Friday, 11 January 2013 01:32 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

Use a Software Bug to Win Video Poker? That’s a Federal Hacking Case
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/game-king/

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:05 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

dunno if this has been posted elsewhere but it's flippin' insane

http://specialreports.dailydot.com/how-to-destroy-an-american-family

brimstead, Saturday, 5 December 2015 22:47 (nine years ago)

This one too:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/magazine/the-serial-swatter.html

ledge, Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:05 (nine years ago)

in the first one I'm strongly inclined to believe the family should be exiling their little shithead son who dragged them into this and hope that gets them off the target list

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:10 (nine years ago)

That's not what matters. Honestly what's needed is about another hundred thousand investigators, prosecutors, special agents and run-of-the-mill detectives who understand this garbage and can afford to put in the time necessary to put Lizard Squad and their ilk into the appropriate reformative institutions. Instruments of the state are falling down on the job.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:14 (nine years ago)

Otm

Article sparked me to go down a Twitter rabbit hole of disgusting black hat hacker turd wranglers. Just about the worst people alive that don't commit physical violence.

brimstead, Sunday, 6 December 2015 01:16 (nine years ago)


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