Weblog Response: Proven By Science!

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OK it's here! The sixth and final (?) FT weblog, edited by Geeta and written by all sorts of ILX coves.

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/proven/

GO AND READ IT!

(The rest of the October updates including Geeta's intro article and Steve M's TOTP write-up will be put up over the weekend)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 October 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave Q's post is a thing of wonder.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 3 October 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I am disappointed this blog was not called WHIZZ FOR ATOMMS.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 3 October 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Geeta, if you invite me to yours, I'll invite you to mine.

Possible future blogs

Travel Blog
Home and Gardens
Politics Blog (Ph34r it)

Pete (Pete), Friday, 3 October 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

THIS IS A VERY GOOD BLOG AND I SHALL BE READING IT WITH BISCUITS.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 3 October 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, good start (what with dave q opening post). I'd love to contribute something but i got too much on :-(

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 3 October 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it.

I'm taking a Biology Lab course, I have been asked to bring the following itmes that may be required for each session:

Ruled Paper

Plain Paper

Icm graph Paper

Clear plastic ruler

Pencil

Simple Calculator

Rubber

User name and Password

*Scissors, Forceps and Permanent marker pen may also be useful especially for 'wet practicals' but these are not essential.



White coast are not essential, but are useful for protecting clothes.



....and for looking professional I say!

marianna, Friday, 3 October 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, good start (what with dave q opening post). I'd love to contribute something but i got too much on :-(

NUDIE BLOG NOW!

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 3 October 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I meant to post white coasts to the travel blog. Scientists nude beneath white coats!

marianna, Friday, 3 October 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

it would makes things more interesting.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 3 October 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

First person to find a relevant picture wins a small prize.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 3 October 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

N., I've heard about your 'small prize'.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 3 October 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand the point of this "weblog" And it kind of upsets me anyway

Vic (Vic), Friday, 3 October 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

why, vic?

mark s (mark s), Friday, 3 October 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Vic is a mystic.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 3 October 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

it's up hurrah!! anyone have any ideas for science links for the sidebar (besides norman's roXoRing band vietgrove of course?)

geeta (geeta), Friday, 3 October 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

and pete i just sent you mail!!

geeta (geeta), Friday, 3 October 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

mr ra mr ree mr mystery

mark s (mark s), Friday, 3 October 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

well i'd like to answer but wont ruin this thread

Vic (Vic), Friday, 3 October 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Whee, we're up! (And Pete, do keep me in mind for your future blogs; will send you mail today, in fact)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Saturday, 4 October 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm enjoying the sci blog a lot, and think Pete's suggestions are pretty good too.

Nicolars (Nicole), Saturday, 4 October 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Geeta, link to this! NASA Picture of the day.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

The other day they had this picture, and in the text they linked to an article on skateboarding!

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031001.html

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 4 October 2003 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

jel you should post!!

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 4 October 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Per Sam's question, I don't sit in a bath much (which sort of sucks until you remember that it's not actually as much fun as it was when you were tiny) but the big ideas in both theses happened in the shower. Ah, Nature's white noise generator (apart from the "Nature's").

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

awesome! there are new posts! roXoR!!

staffers who haven't yet posted should do so, lest they meet the wrath of SCIENCE!

geeta, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I will do something approaching science at some point

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

My fridge experiment is still ongoing. Bleach has not ended it!

Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

My fridge experiment - "How to actually get a working fridge installed in your flat" - is also ongoing.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

haha rick you should post it in installments!! to keep up the suspense!!

alan yr post on the dancing bear was great!! i once tried to derive g through a bunch of inclined plane experiments for an intro physics class -- i used a wooden board and slid stuff down it, but the coefficient of friction on the board was so high and uneven that it kept throwing off my results!! so i buttered the incline plane. i'm not kidding -- putting butter all over the board got rid of a lot of the problem but i still had like 14872% error

g = 9.8 m/s^2 approx obv

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

My fridge experiment - stretching space/time so that 4 blokes' worth of food fits in one freezer compartment. Where does one buy a small black hole?

robster (robster), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That Feynman autobiography has a chapter where they send him high school science books to review, and one of the physics books has no experiments to try at all except the inclined plane one, which as Geeta says doesn't actually work.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

all you need is a trans-dimensional portal ricky

(ie every time yuou have to cram something new into the space, you eat some of yr flatmate's food)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ricky = rob

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

When I did Physics in school we were just told to assume that g was 10.

robster (robster), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post!!) I love the story that Feynmann often re-told of the obviously fixed results of a ball on an inclined-plane demo in a physics textbook. The demo was to get g, but the writer had forgotten about the rotational inertia of the ball and the results were obv concocted for a perfect answer.

Apparently a lot of Galileo's experiments with pendulums and balls rolling down planes and in vertical semi-circles were also fudged. And Millikan just made all his results up "A bright white spec moving upwards at .2 ms-1" my arse.

(g is 10 to a better approximation than is wholely natural.)

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

g not to be confused with gee, the unit of astonishment when an experiment actually works, or Gee, Toby's surname.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

it's pronounced "guh" (= the sound newton made when the apple fell on his head)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Andrew what were your theses on? Fourier analysis of shower noise?

Sam (chirombo), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

One of them has a beautiful central implementation which can be demonstrated on a bar table by use of pints. :)

While doing so two years ago, I realised that I'd forgotten what the other one was about :(

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Inclined planes = zzzzzzzz.

I always thought the Millikan experiment as performed was bobbins. IIRC Feynmann wanders off into a digression about it in The Nature Of Physical Law. Apparently some other chaps tried a superior experiment not long after that got a far better result, but fudged it so it was much closer to Millikan's. Subsequent experiments gradually homed in on the better result as it became more reasonable to doubt the result of the initial experiment.

Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

In a decently run world g would be 10. Pi would be 3. Can someone please pass some laws? Light looked promising, but even that isn't exactly 3etc.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Geeta - I forwarded my scientist friend Heather the link to your intro article. She's working on a PhD that has something to do with gene theraphy as a cancer treatment. Her emailed response was:

"She rocks! I'm sending this to every scientist I know."

Thought you'd like to know.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 13 October 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a great title image!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 13 October 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

wow cool thanks anna!

those of you who signed up to be contributors who haven't posted yet -- science is calling you!! ricky how's your fridge experiment going? sarah the world needs to know abt your crystal radio!!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Serious question - does anyone else fancy organising a fossil-hunting trip in the south of England? Ideally someone with a bit more geological knowledge than me, though it can't be too hard to track down sites that are rich in fossils. I am VERY keen to do this.

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Lots of fossils on the Isle of Wight. No I'm not talking about the average age of its population.

robster (robster), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the earliest posts are now vanishing off the bottom and can no longer be accessed (i guess the PBS october archive needs to be up and running)

also when i click a PBS post's link it takes me to the FT main page, is this meant to happen?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

The Barefoot Doctor makes me foam with rage - his column this week was particularly outrageous I felt in my tender Sunday morning state...

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 24 October 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear BarefooT Doctor, I have followed all of your advice and have recently got a job in a drawing pin factory. What should I do about going barefoot on the shop floor with so much danger about.

Dear Idiot. Three sips of lavander oil a morning and repeat the mantra My Feet Are Impervious To Pins fourteen times a day. And send me a cheque.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The Barefoot Doctor is easily the worst thing in the entire Observer non-news bit, and that is saying something.

Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 24 October 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

barefoot doctor suXoRs (the post abt it was grebt tho!)-- it gives me a good idea for proven....maybe we should run an advice column every once in a while!! like 'ask dr science' except way wackier! i think it could be awesome

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 25 October 2003 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

We were talking about an FT advice column at the weekend Geeta! I can't remember how we thought it would work though. I suspect the Barefoot Doctor was the inspiration.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think an advice column is well served by the blog format, personally. ILE is a better format, but it does let any interweb mentalist respond. In fact, those are the only people who respond.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 October 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

bludy hell alang, i nearly spat coffee all over my desk on reading your saphire and steel bit, you are a bad mang ;)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
I keep finding good stories for proven by science! Is there somewhere I should submit them? or is it wise to make me a contributor? (I don't know the answer to that myself!)

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

submit them to geeta!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

she IS the boss of us

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

ok!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

every day I also come across tools and news that might be of interest for proven by science. Here's a random example : stuff that got my attention this morning

"The world's greatest single
repository on the subject of weird, gimmicky,
extinct forms of communication!"
http://www.deadmedia.org/


NYT: High-Tech Daydreamers Investing in Immortality
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/01/arts/01AGE.html

Foresight at Pop!Tech 2003. Foresight President Christine Peterson's talk at
Pop!Tech 2003,
a conference held Oct. 16-19 in Camden, Maine, on "The Impact of Technology
on People",
presented Foresight's view on the "Sea Change" to be brought by
technological transformation
over the coming decades.
http://nanodot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/31/0930244&mode=nocomment&threshold=


Enough Already By Ronald Bailey at Reason Online. A leading environmentalist
makes a foolish
case against technological innovation.
http://www.reason.com/0310/cr.rb.enough.shtml

The Physics of Extra-Terrestrial Civilizations
http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_alien_civs.shtml
Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku wonders what the physics of extraterrestrial
civilizations must be like, and argues that alien civilizations may be able to
harness the energy of galaxies and travel through the universe using wormholes.

Should We Be Scared of Superintelligence?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/nycu/tech/nextnews/archive/next031024.htm
The theme of out-of-control, supersmart computers has become a pretty common
staple of science fiction, says James M. Pethokoukis, but that hasn't stopped
speculation about the ramifications of such technology. Oxford philosopher Nick
Bostrom and artificial intelligence researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky are two
thinkers who take both the threat and promise of superintelligence very
seriously.

What Does it Mean to Be Me?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2003/10/29/ecfme2\
9.xml&sSheet=/connected/2003/10/29/ixconn.html
"Science, having done away with the soul," says Paul Broks in the Telegraph,
"has lately been turning its gaze to the soul's secular cousin: the self. There
is no ghost in the machine, it is agreed, just a machine." Indeed, where in the
brain our sense of self is born is a riddle that still vexes scientists.

Religious Opposition to Cloning
http://www.jetpress.org/volume13/bainbridge.html
Religion is among the most powerful factors shaping attitudes toward human
reproductive cloning. William Sims Bainbridge of the National Science Foundation
explores this influence with both quantitative and qualitative data from a major
online questionnaire study. The interpretations offered by Bainbridge are based
on the New Paradigm theory of religion, which stresses the strength of religion
to resist the secularizing influences of science, revealing the possibility of
heated future conflict between religion and science.


Zillions of Universes? Or Did Ours Get Lucky?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/28/science/space/28COSM.html
"Those who favor taking the anthropic principle seriously don't really like it,"
says cosmologist Steven Weinberg. "And those who argue against it recognize that
it may be unavoidable." Why is the theory that the universe is finely tuned for
intelligent life so controversial? Leading scientists explained and demonstrated
recently at "The Future of Cosmology" conference.


On the Importance of SETI for Transhumanism
http://www.jetpress.org/volume13/cirkovic.html
In this Journal of Evolution and Technology article, cosmologist and
transhumanist Milan Ćirković argues that astrobiology and the search for
extraterrestrial intelligence may be of vital importance to future humanity and
the transhumanist endeavor. Aside from the scientific import of discovering
alien life, Ćirković believes, extraterrestrial intelligences could provide us
with strategic information about how to live, survive and create value in the
universe.

The Berlin Declaration
http://www.zim.mpg.de/openaccess-berlin/berlindeclaration.html
As a subset to the Conference on Open Access to Knowledge in the Sciences and
Humanities, and in light of the radical potential for the Internet, a number of
individuals and institutions have compiled and signed The Berlin Declaration
inisting that that there be greater open access to knowledge in the sciences and
humanities. The declaration promotes the Internet "as a functional instrument
for a global scientific knowledge base and human reflection and to specify
measures which research policy makers, research institutions, funding agencies,
libraries, archives and museums need to consider."

Here's some tools that might be of use to proven by science regulars:

Create a google News Alert:
http://www.google.com/newsalerts

SCIENCEWEEK STUDENT'S EDITION
http://www.scienceweek.com/subinfo.htm

http://www.longevitymeme.org/newsletter/.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 13 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

the more i think abt it, the more i am certain that you could do a really GOOD pop science prog which wd cover most "theory of everything" territory if you shaped it entirely round THE PROBLEM OF SIZE:

eg what happens to shapes when you get v.big, what happens to matter when you get v.small, the distance between the biggest and the smallest and the points where they "join up" (black holes)

after all three eps, i maintain (against little opposition) it was fantastically badly organised, made a major boo-boo trying to use history science to clarify content of science, and employed a total complete utter idiot in the visualisation department (ie 9/10ths of the visualisation introduced extra levels of confusion, misapprehension and irrelevance)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Its been done. Erasmus Microman.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

taking sides toe vs rolf on art

Sam (chirombo), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

rolf on art wins x 1389457989182374098571093847!!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I think so too. But I suspect this is because I know less about art than physicsy things.

Sam (chirombo), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

rolf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brian greene

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolf On Art vs Ken Campbell On Science though.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just I get irritated by people dissing the rolf because I don't know the stuff he's telling me about and I'm interested, and I like the way he SHOWS me with his PEN. I don't much care if he's wrong on the finer points or if he's too populist or whatever. So I'm worried that by dissing the brian I'm falling into the same trap and missing the point.

I also think that there isn't enough of this stuff on TV and I don't want to be horrible about it in case I hurt its feelings.

Also, brian greene vs carl "beans and beans" sagan. I mean both of them are/were irritating as teevee presenters.

Sam (chirombo), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolf on art was cool cos you had Rolf trying to paint in the style of Dali (and making a decent fist of it, in fairness), while Theory of Everything woukld have been enhanced by bashing scientists together and looking at their particles when they explode.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

well the person i watched theory of everything ep 2 with - who is v.brany but allergic to all maths - just found it totally baffling and annoying: the problem isn't populism - i like and am interested in that - it wz hugely incompetent populism

the rolf thing tells you something a million non-painting critics can't, which the implications of the material act of painting - it's a really bold strike against the idealisation of art (i dobn't think non-painters talking abt painting is a bad thing at all, i just don't think it's intrinsically and obviously better than painters talking abt painting)

ps i haf always fd his huffing-and-humming-while-i-paint v.maddening BUT goya did the same only worse (he used to sing highly operatic obscenities and stamp) so meh

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

But Goya does it at us on TV rather less often.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

he presents animal streetmates martin

mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the one immediately before Pro-Celebrity Kickboxing as hosted by Fragonard?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

bah another double-blogging sorry! (but i think i worked out this time why this keeps happening) (= i am dumm)

(i edited the second to three dots)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

haha SInXor you big spanner. You're only one step away from crackign the "wild? I bet they were furious" joke.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

that joke wd go on brown wedge obv

mark s (mark s), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

re: Polish fauna, zubronie entry - it's meant to read "bull", right? Not "ox". Science doesn't go that mad.

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Sunday, 23 November 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I disagree that gel electrophoresis is 'lame' - many separations employ electrical conditions that are lethal if they should short through the experimenter. Also, what about gas chromatography? That's cool, cause you get to burn stuff, if I remember correctly.

marianna, Monday, 12 January 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i still think electrophoresis is lame if you get pre-poured gels! more hardcore if you pour your own gels, since polyacrylamide is a neurotoxin and you can spill it all over yourself

(ps. hey marianna! how's it going?)

geeta (geeta), Monday, 12 January 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
So what has been proven by science lately.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

That you are made of noodles.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

And this was proven how? I have boiling water on a pot I could use to test this proof, or I could make tea.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
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"I'm taking a Biology Lab course, I have been asked to bring the following itmes that may be required for each session:

Ruled Paper

Plain Paper

Icm graph Paper

Clear plastic ruler

Pencil

Simple Calculator

Rubber

User name and Password

*Scissors, Forceps and Permanent marker pen may also be useful especially for 'wet practicals' but these are not essential.

White coast are not essential, but are useful for protecting clothes.


....and for looking professional I say!

-- marianna (mariannamaclea...), October 3rd, 2003 9:08 AM."


Hey marianna, how did the class go?!? I see it was two years ago now, so can you tell us since enough time has passed...what on earth did you use the RUBBER for????? Was it a study in human biology and how procreation works?

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