http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/04/roy.attacked/index.html
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 4 October 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 4 October 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ed (dali), Saturday, 4 October 2003 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 4 October 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)
is this the most stupid person alive? or is it me?
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Saturday, 4 October 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Right after that, the tiger kind of turned its head and bit him on the arm," Sherman said. "Roy started taking a microphone and started whapping the tiger on the head.
oooh, get off get off get off!!
― Nellie (nellskies), Saturday, 4 October 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)
bad canadian sketch tv has just lost fully 1/3 its material
― jones (actual), Saturday, 4 October 2003 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 4 October 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Did you enjoy the white tigers? Most people love the white lions and the white tigers. Siegfried and I often fight over which of us should get the spotlight, but in the end, the star of the show is always the cats.
Uhh... whooops!
― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 4 October 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)
(if you actually watched & enjoyed the program you are on the holmes show)
― jones (actual), Saturday, 4 October 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 4 October 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 4 October 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 5 October 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Daniel (dancity), Monday, 6 October 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm sure Roy would have chosen to die being mauled by one of his tigers. Not that he's dead yet, of course.
― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 6 October 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 6 October 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)
The dude shouldn't be using the tigers in the first place.
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 6 October 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm not quite sure why, but I find the fact that they feel the need to make this distinction very funny.
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031006/s/r1652680532.jpg
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)
A career change is in order, stat.
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)
I hope he recovers, for Siegfried's sake.
― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)
Well, many people, the answer to this question is, yes, I am still so smug. In fact, if anything, I am more smug than ever before. Roy made his living taking huge, deadly wild beasts of the jungle and snapping whips at them in order to entertain corn-fed yokels vacationing in Vegas. He grossed tens of millions of dollars over the years taking majestic animals and making them balance on beach balls in between Arte Johnson and An Evening with Paul Revere & the Raiders. And I'm supposed to feel bad because one of the tigers got sick of getting smacked on the nose with a microphone and decided to put a crimp in his spine? Fuck Roy. I wish he was dead. In fact, I wish the tiger had also killed Siegfried, and then, having gotten an appetite for tangy human meat, gone to town on the gawkers in the audience and taken out a dozen or so of them. If it was up to me, that tiger would be let loose in the casino and only removed when he was too fat to walk.
However, it is true that it's not always funny or just when an animal kills a human. While I operate under the assumption that, given the fact that humans kill an uncountable number of animals every day to no one's great concern, it's perfectly okay for an animal to kill a human every so often, there are greater an lesser degrees of entertainment value to the activity. Most of the play comes in when the human is in some way hurting, provoking, teasing or exploiting the animal, which is pretty much all the time. In such situations, it is my belief that when the animal kills the person, the animal has won. Rather than being put down, it should be set free and, indeed, praised for defeating so resourceful an enemy. In the case of Roy's tiger, for example -- here is an animal who has defeated the most famous tiger-tamer in the world! It's like if a human beat up Mike Tyson! And we want to punish the animal for this? Hell, no. The tiger won. He's the king of all tigers now; he beat the man, so he should be the man. If anything, he should be put out to stud.
Now, I say this as the owner of domestic animals and an inveterate meat-eater. I am no PETAsan; but I do recognize the inherent truth of at least one of their arguments: that we are no better than animals, and the only reason we mistreat them so badly is because we can get away with it. We fetishize and rationalize all of our animal-killing, but thankfully, animals aren't sophisticated enough to do the same to us. We've arbitrarily sanctified human life to such an absurd degree that any human death is a tragedy, while simultaneously degrading animal life to a degree that we kill millions a day and don't even think about it. Well, I call bullshit on that -- not to the extent that I'll crusade against animal-killing; I love a good sausage, after all. But you won't find me crying false tears when once every blue moon, an animal manages to get us back.
Anyway, for future reference, I have put together a number of examples of animals killing humans, rated by positive value. Keep this entry handy for the next newsworthy animal attack.
SHARK EATS SWIMMER. There's not much cosmic justice at play here. The swimmer generally isn't trying to hurt the shark; she's just out for a nice dip in the ocean and isn't really doing anything to deserve having her legs bitten off. This is a mere 1 on the Scales of Animal Justice. However, we shouldn't be mad at the shark, either; eating people is what they do. Much more entertaining would be sharks eating the underwater photographers who film those omnipresent "Sharks: Nature's Most Perfect Killer" shows. They're just asking for it. The only reason anyone watches a shark show is to see someone get eaten, so I think at least one out of ever five shark cages should be defective. A National Geographic crew getting chewed to pieces by a great white would be a satisfying 5.
DOG MAULS HUMAN. Again, context is everything here. While a dog mauling a baby isn't particularly entertaining (unless there's some wierd aspect to it, like the baby's head is torn off, or the dog, or dingo, eats the baby and a Meryl Streep movie results), a dog mauling a child isn't always a bad things. There's a pretty good possibility that the child was teasing the dog. A dog killing a baby would be a miserable 1 on the Scales of Animal Justice, but a dog killing a child who was poking it with a stick would be a solid 3. Freaky scenarios, like a Nazi dog eating the face of a lesbian attorney or a dog that is trained to attack black people, will vary on the circumstance, but it's always good when specially trained dogs turn on their masters. Guard or attack dogs who injure their trainers get a 4, while dogs trained to fight who kill their owners get a robust 8. The time for this is past, but the Russian dogs in WWII who were trained to blow up German tanks and then turned around and blew up Russian tanks instead get a 9 as a particularly sweet slice of Animal Justice.
BULLS. In general, and particularly in light of the way humans slaughter cattle, there is no scenario in which a bull can kill a person that isn't entertaining. In ascending order: a person being gored by a bull at Pamplona is a 6 on the Scales of Animal Justice; a bull killing a rider in a rodeo is a 7; a cow crushing someone who was cow-tipping is an 8; a person dying of bovine spongiform encephalitis after eating infected beef is a 9; and a bull killing a matador during the organized animal torture of a bullfight rings up a perfect 10.
ANIMAL ENTERTAINMENT. Pretty much any situation in which an animal being put on display for the amusement of jaded humans lashes out and kills a bunch of them is good for a laugh. Aquarium deaths, because of the relatively harmless conditions and the rarity of injury, ranks the lowest, while circuses, easily the cruelest and most inhumane of all popular animal entertainments, is at the top of the list. Rampaging circus elephants are the second-best examples of pure animal justice at work (see below), and I'm not really satisfied unless the big fucker squashes at least half a dozen people. Zoo deaths are fairly rare, and people get all bent out of shape because they involve children, but fuck those people. They don't mind dragging their kids to throw peanuts at alligators and gawk at some poor lion snatched out of the wild and forced to live in a fucking box in Minnesota, then they have no right to complain if they drop their kid over the rail in the monkey house and it gets rogered to death by a bunch of randy gibbons.
HUNTING. The absolute pinnacle of the animals-killing-people entertainment genre, any instance of a hunter being killed by an animal rates a perfect 10 on the Scales of Animal Justice. Whether it's some ruralized asshole getting mauled to death by a bear, or someone on his way to his favorite tree stand crashing his car into a deer and running off the road into a light pole, it's good for a laugh. It's simpy ridiculous to complain when a hunter gets killed by an animal; this is exactly like crying for a murderer whose chosen victim fights back and blows his head off. Any animal who kills a hunter should be retired to a special habitat called the Bad-Ass Motherfucker Animal Preserve and given all its favorite treats of the rest of its natural life. It should also, needless to say, get to keep the hunter's head on a plaque on its favorite tree.
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 9 October 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Looks like they did, yeah. How odd. Thats not like them.
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 10 October 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)
By Roy Uwe Ludwig Horn Advertisement
Well, thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed the show. Thank you so much! We've been doing this for a long time, but I never get tired of hearing that.
Your favorite part of the show? Hmm... I really couldn't guess.
Oh, really? The giant mechanical dragon? Thank you very much. But actually, that was Siegfried's idea.
I do appreciate the kind words. If Siegfried were around, I'm sure he would appreciate them even more than I do. He loves to meet fans. Unfortunately, he had to rush home, because he's having work done on his indoor waterfall. It's really too bad he isn't here. He loves to talk about that dragon.
No, I had very little to do with it, to be perfectly honest. But of course, it takes the two of us to really make it come alive on stage. If I remember correctly, I helped to choreograph the number. I was influenced by the motion a cobra makes when it strikes... But the larger dragon concept really was Siegfried's. Though, it was my idea to give the dragon laser-beam eyes.
At the end, lasers shoot out of its eyes. It's really quite dramatic. I'm surprised that you don't remember.
Well, you might be interested to know that it was my idea to kill the dragon with a sword at the end. Siegfried wanted to use a battle axe. He thought it would look better for those sitting in the back rows, but I maintained that a sword was more traditional.
Did you enjoy the white tigers? Most people love the white lions and the white tigers. Siegfried and I often fight over which of us should get the spotlight, but in the end, the star of the show is always the cats. Everyone assumes that they work for us, but it's more the other way around! Luckily, I've always had a great rapport with those beautiful creatures. My home is filled with jungle cats of all kinds. It's truly a wonderful way to live. So, if you loved the cats, then that's thanks enough for me.
Well, I suppose that we have been "doing the tiger thing" for some time, yes.
The woman in the basket? Yes, quite a trick. Yes, Siegfried really gets everyone's attention with that one... Even though it's pretty much just a new take on the old sawing-the-woman-in-half trick.
No, she's never been hurt.
Did you like Akasha? She's my favorite. I like to find new ways to fit Akasha into the show. Oh, she's the tiger. Remember, when the evil queen transforms into a tiger?
The rope trick?
No, Siegfried hadn't met the volunteer beforehand. Yes, straight from the audience. I agree.
He does, I agree.
Do you have any other favorite parts?
Uh-huh, I see. It's too bad that Siegfried isn't here--he seems to have a real fan. Yes, that was Siegfried's idea, too. Yes, it was me inside the giant suspended smoke-filled bubble, but still Siegfried's idea. Don't worry about it, please. I'm not offended.
Not to toot my own horn, but I pick out most of the music for the show. Did you have a favorite song?
Well, if it were up to Siegfried, every song in the show would be jazz-fusion. Sometimes, Siegfried can be a little gauche. I'm only joking, of course. Siegfried is brilliant. But he doesn't know how to set an act to music to save his life.
"SARMOTI"? It stands for "Siegfried And Roy, Masters Of The Impossible." Well, that was a team effort, if I remember correctly. Siegfried didn't want to say "hocus pocus" or "ala kazaam." He wanted us to have a trademark incantation. Yeah, Siegfried--more the magic guy. Me--more the cat guy.
What is it like working with him? Well, Siegfried and I make a wonderful team. We have a very long history together. Of course, we have our disagreements from time to time, but every conflict brings us to a better way of doing things. Just the other day, Siegfried was talking about a flying horse that would swoop down and save a dancer from that precious dragon of his. We had quite a fight about that one! But in the end, we came to an understanding and... Well, I'm sure it sounds like a good idea to you, but there are many reasons, complicated reasons, why it's not right for the dragon to take on a greater role in our show. I don't really have the time to explain it, but trust me. It simply wouldn't work.
It simply wouldn't work.
Actually, I think I've added a great deal to the show. Without me, Siegfried would just be some magician with a bunch of dancing girls, laser lights, and fog machines. I was the one who added the cats, starting with our beloved Chico.
The cheetah. Everyone knows it's the cheetah, for God's sake.
Well, it may not seem like much now, but back when we started, it was something that hadn't been done before.
Like I said before, we're a team, a fusion of two separate entities. You couldn't split us up. It just wouldn't work. We create the magic in our minds and then bring it to life in front of the audience, as a team.
Making an elephant disappear? Mine. Having Siegfried transform me into an owl? Also mine. I don't know if you were listening, but it was my idea to bring in the white tigers and the white lions. It's not a big deal, of course. Contributing what sets us apart is "not a big deal." To you. But I would call it a big deal.
Well, I'm sorry that you feel that way. It was nice to have met you, but I really must go. I'll pass on your comments to Siegfried.
Yes, I promise.
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)
Shooting at Las Vegas home of entertainers Siegfried & Roy; No one hurtLAS VEGAS (AP) — A gunman opened fire on the home of former Las Vegas Strip entertainers Siegfried Fischbacher and Roy Horn, shouting they should get out of the country, police said Monday.Police initially labelled the shooting as a hate crime but said later Monday that a patrol officer had misclassified the case on paperwork.No one was hurt in the Sept. 21 drive-by shooting, during which a witness said a man fired four shots from a white van, breaking two windows and leaving a 30-centimetre hole in the stars’ home northwest of the Strip, said Officer Jose Montoya. It was not known if they were home at the time. Their spokesman declined to comment.A warrant has been issued for the gunman, who was not identified.Police announced the shooting Monday, a day after Horn and friends celebrated his 60th birthday at the home. Sunday also was the one-year anniversary of a near-fatal tiger mauling that left Horn partially paralysed and forced the closure of the illusionists’ long-running Siegfried & Roy show.Horn and Fischbacher have lived in Las Vegas for some 35 years.
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago)
― aimurchie, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago)
― adam (adam), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago)
"I FUCKING HATE GUYS WITH TIGERS! OUT OF THE US, YOU FELINE-LOVING FREAKS!
― (yes, I know) (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:38 (twenty years ago)
Why would you shoot at someone if you didn't hate them?
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:46 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago)
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― Huk-L, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago)
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago)
...as he was suffering from too much facelifting and rock-star transformation:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40079000/jpg/_40079004_horn_203.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)
― jody l'anti-vierge (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 19 June 2005 05:56 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)
The bodyguard who once protected tiger tamer Roy Horn of the Siegfried & Roy magic duo claims that Siegfried Fischbacher is a "tyrant" who overmedicates and humiliates the ailing Horn, who is still recovering from a tiger-mauling incident.
"Siegfried was a tyrant and had loud, explosive outbursts at the plaintiff and at Roy," says the civil suit filed by Louis Mydlach, a former Siegfried & Roy insider.
"[Fischbacher] forced Roy to take medication, even when Roy begged to not be medicated," the suit claims.
Siegfried is also accused of refusing to hire competent medical workers to look after Horn's day-to-day needs, and painting a picture in the media of the "amazing physical rehabilitation of Roy" when those close to the star knew "it was all propaganda."
Mydlach says his role changed from that of security guard to caretaker, "in all the undignified matters concerning his debilitating condition ... including personal care cleaning, bathing and various bathroom duties."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)
I keep misreading this thread title as "Tigger". I suspect I've already posted this. *does search, nods at confirmation of self's blatant predictability*
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)