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just watched substitute II and part of substitute III. recall ally posting some k-brill stuff about how wtf coded racist and weird these movies are. in particular, treat williams just teaches his kids about how he can kick their ass and in the third one the end is they just take down all the guys they've known about from the beginning and just followed around for the hell of it!

also remember when i saw kristofferson in knights and remembered k-brill ally stuff on its strangeness.

similarly a thread on the phillip pullman books where tom went into crazy depth about the metatron and religion.

i looked through the archives every time and could find nothing! has anybody else had that "did i dream that whole thread?" experience?

also if there's no thread on them, talk about knights and substitute!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 5 October 2003 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

If anyone did go into crazy depth about the metatron and religion it wasn't me Sterling - I don't think I've contributed much beyond "yeah, enjoyed them" to any Pullman threads.

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 5 October 2003 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't seen them, but isn't Kristofferson underrated?

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 5 October 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

in knights!? the movie about vampire robots in the year 3000 that wants to be mad max but has a budget of 2$ and ends with a cliffhanger as though there was going to be a sequel!!!?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 5 October 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway people i wanna hear about YOUR phantom threads!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 5 October 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

omfg! substitute 4: "You can teach your multiculturalism in HELL."

That movie is so great.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that was a revive.

Does Treat Williams do anything else these days?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

sweet jesus sterl - is that an actual line???

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

an actual incredible line.

treat takes on white supremacists in a military academy instead of black and latino gang kids in #4, like a redemption for all the other films. the fascists are so great -- they're all dancing around a campfire and shouting "white power" in the most k-lame way. and then in the final scene the bad guy gets shot. staggers back. talks a while, lunges forward (with a sword!) gets shot like five more times. then recovers enough to shout "racial supremacy forever" before he gets shot again and finally dies.

there are great touching educator scenes where treat wakes the kids up to the joy of learning and knowledge that the holocaust actually happened and stuff. but with fantastic logic like: "and okay, say only thirty thousand did die. no, say only ten. but they were killed simply because of their race. what would you call it then, besides a holocaust?"

smirking dumb white supremacist: "uh, i'd call it bad luck."

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

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