Sensitive people are insensitive bastards

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One meaning of sensitive:

Quick to take offence; touchy.

Another:

Susceptible to the attitudes, feelings, or circumstances of others.

The other day I read some woman saying that she avoids getting involved with sensitive men because experience has taught her that they end up hurting one the most. I assumed that by 'sensitive' she meant something close to the first definition above, perhaps laced with a layer of 'misunderstood', 'arty' or 'tortured'.

It's funny how often the word 'sensitive' is used in connection with someone without it being clear whether it's that person's sensitivity to external stimulus that is being referred to or their sensitivity to the feelings of others.

Is this because people positively correlate the two? If so, isn't that kind of odd, flying in the face of the competing archetype of say, the artist who puts his lover through hell?


N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 5 October 2003 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry - it was insensitive to start this thread so soon after Vic's. It's not aimed at you!

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 5 October 2003 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

if you're saying what I think you're saying--how could you?

if you're not saying what I think you're saying--how dare you?

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 5 October 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they go hand in hand alot of the time

jeskam, Monday, 6 October 2003 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i am an extremely sensitive person, and I'm a real asshole.
essentially because i lash out at people if they won't be honest because i find it incredibly frustating if people won't be truthful with me.
People also find me insensitive cause i'll tell them if i don't like their clothes/hair if they ask.. also i'm always the one who says eh, you've got spinach in your teeth/snot hanging out yer nose etc etc etc.

Nellie (nellskies), Monday, 6 October 2003 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, I now have carte blanche to be a drunken pig. OINK!

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 6 October 2003 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sensitive and very blunt and people hate it and so do i.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Monday, 6 October 2003 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i love your bluntness clare.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 6 October 2003 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think a sensitive asshole is much of a stretch. The way you absorb stimulus and the way you give it out are unrelated things. That is to say, they're two different skills. That is to say, N is absolutely OTM.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 6 October 2003 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The way you absorb stimulus and the way you give it out are unrelated things. That is to say, they're two different skills.

this is wrong. they are related intimately. they may be different skills but they belong to the same system - the proverbial different-sides-of-the-same-coin...

i think sensitive people can be assholes cause they feel like they're being treated like shit a lot of the time/misunderstood/judged incorrectly and so respond, sometimes preemptively, quite harsly in retaliation/defence. i suppose i am speaking about myself here, but i have seen this in other people like me.

very simple semiotics notes the connection between receiving and transmitting messages. you make sense of messages using your own rubric of interpretation, which is basically your personality/mind/intellect, and you rspond to them using the same 'organ'. in sensitive people i think the response is ratched up and the interpretative rubric is biased toward negative/attacking stimuli to the degree that it apprehends such messages in material that may well be mild.

thanks di, people that i get along with often like my bluntness. i still feel bad about it though. especially when i am mean to my mum, who's also sensitive.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Monday, 6 October 2003 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What I mean is, the way you handle an insult and the way you give one can be wildly different. People who are easily hurt may take pains never to hurt anyone else, or may they give it as thick as they think they get. And vice versa, and flip-flop, etc. There's certainly a relationship there, but there's no rule like, If A Then B.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 6 October 2003 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I recall an interview with Cass Browne (Delakota, Senseless Things) in NME about five years ago when he said "all these indie bands trumping up how sensitive they are, thinking that sensitive means they feel sad and cry a lot and take things to heart. Well it bloody doesn't, it means understanding how other people feel and being receptive to them. What they call sensitive is just being a selfish crybaby." I most definitely concur.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 6 October 2003 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

People who are easily hurt may take pains never to hurt anyone else

They may also not realise if they hurt or neglect other people. People who are very self-sensitive can be very other-insensitive; like anything a balance between the two has to be achieved.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 6 October 2003 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah - no rule, just higher chances (possibly) of rash responses or mappable, but not absolute, corollaries. a case in point: even though my mother is sensitive, she doesn't behave anything like me.

i don't think being sensitive and responding harshly necessarily means the sensitive meany isn't attuned to others' feelings. rather, it might be that they decide to or can't help responding harshly regardless. i think being sensitive and being harsh can result from worrying so much about how other people feel about a given thing that one just gives up and attacks - like a kinda autistic response.

i 'spose someone's gonna come on and say autism was cool in the late 90s, just like being schizoid and brilliant was cool (along with graham green) when donnie darko came out last year, or whenever it was...of course all these cultural trends in behaviour, which encourage affectation, are probably what the NME article was referring to.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Monday, 6 October 2003 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

um, not know if i'm totally following this thread, but it's cool Nick. oh, and i don't think the phrase "sensitive asshole" is particularly good to use because it makes me think of painful underwear, etc.

i sstarted that other thread out of frustration of feeling other people's feelings against my will; i'm other-sensitive to a fault, but i don't really think i'm self-sensitive often since i rarely ever feel touchy or offended or anything. i don't think there's necessarily a correlation here between the different types, but i'm glad a distinction is being made. i don't really know if i'd call myself an asshole, just insane would do, and i think most agree. i don't attack others pre-emptively; i rarely feel "attacked" myself, actually. i'm just able to pick up others opinions and feelings around me with nothing being said with regularity

i think the importance of getting drunk has to be brought up here too, no? alcohol has a lot to do sometimes with people feeling hypersensitive, regardless of how you define it

Vic (Vic), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it hard to imagine how being drunk could make me more attuned to the feelings of others.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

How do you ever really know that you're attuned to the feelings of others?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well maybe if you go up to someone and say 'are you OK?' because you've picked up on the fact that they're not and they are grateful that someone noticed and cared when no one else in the room seemed to?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Or if your girlfriend/boyfriend seems uneasy about something but hadn't said as much, and probing the issue reveals your hunch to be right.

That kind of thing.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

No I meant when you're drunk you're too sensitive to what others think of you and can start attacking them and starting brawls and setting things on fire, etc

Vic (Vic), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but that's hypersensitivity to what others think of you. You'd said 'regardless of how you define it'. That only seems to concern the self-centred type of sensitivity.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

btw Nick -

conversely you know that you're *not* well attuned to the feelings of others if you say something to a friend that's not supposed to cause offence but they turn out to be very upset by it.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Unless you're dealing with someone who is overly self-sensitive and takes everything the wrong way.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 6 October 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

After all prettyy much anything can upset some people at certain times

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 6 October 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think anyone takes everything the wrong way. Sure, some people are more sensitive (in the 'touchy' sense) than others, but I can think of one big example in my own recent life where if I'd not said something flippant to someone then I would have saved a lot of grief.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think a sensitive asshole is much of a stretch.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people who consider themselves to be sensitive, I have found, are really just selfish and self-obsessed. It's like that myth about romantics having huge hearts.

Lara (Lara), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

And people who ARE really sensitive to the feelings of others often try to please everybody and please nobody, including themselves, adding to the insecurity spiral...

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 6 October 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a label. Appropriately invoked by the sensitive, inappropriately by the insensitive.

Sensitive person: I'm really sensitive.

(Among other things my 'sensitivity' has made me sensitive to my excessive sensitivity, which can be irrational and a fucking drag. My apologies, try and bear with me.)

Insensitive person: I'm really sensitive.

(You break your leg, comedy; I get a hangnail, tragedy.)

Applied similarly as a perjorative:

Sensitive person: God you're being sensitive.

(I see what's going on here, you're taking me the wrong way, I've stumbled into a sore spot, allow me to clarify)

Insensitive person: God you're being sensitive.

(Fuck you and your delicate flowereness. No one cares.)

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people who consider themselves to be sensitive, I have found, are really just selfish and self-obsessed.

Only if they go around telling everyone that they are "sensitive". Most who are won't risk doing that (in fear of rejection, natch)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy who keeps screaming "LOOK, I"M WEARING A WHITE HAT!" is usually the one you gotta watch out for, basically.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i think its possible to be sensitive outwardly and inwardly. i get pretty stuck in my own emotions and have been known to be touchy. but i'm also a really good friend. i am good at listening to people and being there for them and empathising.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 6 October 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I am OK at that - I just don't pick up on things sometimes.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm almost completely solipsistic, but try not to be an assholre. My life is rather weird.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I am selfish and self obsessed and if you don't like it, hey, fuck off, I don't need you, you don't live in this head, you don't have to deal with it, out of my sight, peasant. (Unless you're cute.)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
Wow, I was in a bad mood there. I wonder what was going on then?

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 21 June 2004 11:34 (twenty years ago)


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