I don't like Condoleeza Rice

i'm basing my comments on her earlier appearances, where i wouldn't give her a public speaking prize but compared to bush and rumsfeld she comes across as at least composed and able to construct a sentence of college-level density, even if it is a string of brazen lies.

A LIKELY STORY.

she was like a virtuoso pianist at age 4 or something, right? and graduated from college at 15. at that rate of aging, she could have turned senile a while ago, or maybe she's just a robot

Also, amateurist, Condi comes from a very upper-class black family from Birmingham. So they're not exactly the Kennedys (or the Bushes), but she's had a lot of the "world handed to her" as well. Granted, yes I think she probably deserves that more than Dubya (she does seem to have worked hard despite her background), but don't ignore her upbringing.

hstencil - my post wasnt specifically addressed to you or anyone really, in fact it was inspired by amateurist's. i just happen to know some people i'd call highly intelligent who can't communicate their thoughts verbally very well, so i always want to make this point of the danger of automatically correlating the two

i don't think you should necessarily judge people's intelligence levels by their public speaking competence, or even general articulateness, at all times. i think she appears to have a more humane side to her than the rest of BushCo, which is why she may seem more appealing or digestable to some.

would be about her! Y'know, since this is a thread about her, and all.

anyway has anyone here met any other "condoleeza"s in real life ? i never have

In fact, she has done just about everything early-the very picture of American overachievement.

She was born in Birmingham, Ala., in 1954, when Jim Crow-and that regime's local enforcer, Bull Connor-held sway. Both parents were teachers. Condi was a schoolmate of Denise McNair, one of the girls murdered in the infamous church bombing. Later the Rice family moved to Tuscaloosa, where Condi's father, John Rice, was a dean at Stillman College, a predominantly black school. Mother and father, says Rice, "felt strongly about pushing ahead in education"; their Wunderkind, as a result, "had lessons in everything-piano, skating, ballet, French . . ." She skipped first grade, and also the seventh.

When Condi was 13, the family moved to Colorado, so that John Rice could become a vice chancellor of the University of Denver, where he had earned an advanced degree. He was-and is-a Republican (as well as an ordained Presbyterian minister). For one thing, he abhorred the Dixiecrats who were the Democratic party in the South. For another, it was simply easier to register with the Republicans. (The Democrats, typically, had demanded that he guess the number of beans in a jar.)

[note, it's from the national review, so last sentence makes sense]

You know, like Obama.

Condola Rice has been a terrible NSA. The only large-scale terrorist attack in the United States happened on her watch. But its reassuring that in a country with such a large population of stupid people that one can still be rewarded for failure. It's a lesson I hope to pass on to my son (after I get him his first job).

Let's shorten that to "Uncle Tom" and we're all set...

My face lacks the musculature required to execute the cringe this information inspires.

-- Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (Mod...), November 17th, 2004.

well technically isn't she an "aunt tom" then?

her pronunciation wasn't even close!

i thought the story was that her parents named her orpah (after someone in the bible? i dunno), but the doctor wrote it down wrong on the birth certificate.

A Moabitess; daughter-in-law of Naomi, and wife of Mahlon. After the death of her husband, Orpah and her sister-in-law Ruth wished to go to Judea with Naomi. She was persuaded, however, by Naomi to return to her people and to her gods (Ruth i. 4 et seq.).

In rabbinical literature Orpah is identified with Harafa, the mother of the four Philistine giants (comp. II Sam. xxi. 22); and these four sons were said to have been given her for the four tears which she shed at parting with her mother-in-law (Soṭah 42b). She was a sister of Ruth; and both were daughters of the Moabite king Eglon (Ruth R. ii. 9). Her name was changed to "Orpah" because she turned her back on her mother-in-law (ib.; comp. Soṭah l.c.). She was killed by David's general Abishai, the son of Zeruiah (Sanh. 95a).E. C. J. Z. L.

The irony of Oprah being associated with "Philistine" giants is to sweet to ignore. I mean in the small "p" sense.

watch your language, too, michael.. what are "warlords" exactly? why not call them "leaders" "tribal chiefs"? etc.

Because I find those disculpatory and euphemistic. National unity and progress will not be achieved by needless coddling of tribal chiefs or local leaders. They are armed and they hold sway by force = warlords.

but we CAN'T, not without running into all kinds of pseudo-imperial horseshit like we're doing now. The BEST thing to do as a sovereign nation state in that situation is to wipe out those who done you wrong and then exit the stage as quickly and cleanly as possible. If we had done this, if this had been our actual purpose in going after Saddam, then the picture in Iraq would be very different indeed. There are other differences relating to our initial motive in attacking Iraq such as our inability to build a half-decent coalition but really if we could have just had the cojones to say "mission accomplished" and MEANT IT, eg we're mostly going to leave you be now, see you around, then I think the picture would be much better than it currently is.

I think your worries about Afghanistan aren't very well founded. The state is in transition, but they're on the right track towards self-reliance and independence, and they seem to like what they have. By sticking around for so long in Iraq we've only managed to muddy the situation and give the Sunnis a passel of easy targets.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), February 8th, 2005 6:28 PM. (Dan Perry)

AND HOW!

well technically isn't she an "aunt tom" then?

-- latebloomer (posercore24...), November 17th, 2004.

I think the late breaking term is Aunt Jemima; though Mammy is probably more historically correct wrt Uncle Tom, don't really think it's appropriate in this instance...

-- Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (Mod...), November 17th, 2004.

haha remember when ppl on my lefty racism thread said that nobody anywhere ever had said condi was an uncle tom/aunt jemima

-- gabbneb (gabbne...), October 5th, 2005.

But anyway, I don't like her either.

So many will be be so disappointed.

Also, still needs a little trainin' on the whole "diplomacy" bit:

Said that U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad may talk to Iranian diplomats about Iraq but that broader talks would "run the risk of granting legitimacy to a government that does not deserve" it.

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Not necessarily the best/only thread for this post but folks here at UCI have set up this new archive -- available online to all -- which might be of interest to political/modern history wonks:

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>> UCI Libraries have created a new website to showcase "The Quest for
>> Peace Interviews 1983-1989" (www.lib.uci.edu/quest/) which are
>> collections of half-hour interviews with a wide range of world-renowned
>> experts such as Condoleezza Rice, Norman Cousins, John Kenneth Galbraith
>> and Julian Bond on the pursuit of lasting world peace in a nuclear age.
>> These interviews were conducted between 1983-1989 by UCI Prof. John M.
>> Whiteley and were broadcast throughout the country on cable and public
>> access stations. This project is a collaboration of Professor Whiteley
>> with the University of California Irvine's Libraries, the Teaching,
>> Learning and Technology Center and Network and Academic Computing
>> Services.
>>
>> This site is now available through the Library Publications page
>> (http://www.lib.uci.edu/libraries/libpubs.html) under Digital
>> Collections (http://www.lib.uci.edu/libraries/pubs/digital_coll.html).

Direct link to the site:

http://www.lib.uci.edu/quest/

this needs captioning!
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i posted that on the Jazz Hands thread, that's all i got

"SLEEP"

What's the context of that photo?

code f***ing pink helping the republicans again

holy fucking christ

shes wearing an oink shirt

She was a girl from Birmingham
She just had an abortion
She was case of insanity
Her name was Pauline, she lived in a tree

Protestor painted in 'blood' accosts Condoleezza Rice

Despite the admission that errors had been made, and a Canadian inquiry which cleared him of any links to terrorism, Rice suggested Arar would remain on U.S. security watch lists.

Arar, fyi, was kidnapped and sent to Syria to be tortured for a year. (not sure how much play this is getting in the U.S.)

I assume next to none.

There were mentions -- but noticed mostly by those who were already interested in/appalled by the subject.

Despite the admission that errors had been made, and a Canadian inquiry which cleared him of any links to terrorism, Rice suggested Arar would remain on U.S. security watch lists.

Arar, fyi, was kidnapped and sent to Syria to be tortured for a year. (not sure how much play this is getting in the U.S.)

-- The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 26 October 2007 04:59 (Friday, 26 October 2007 04:59) Bookmark Link

Presumably he's on the watch lists because he now has a damn good reason to be pissed off with the US.

My government teacher gave me a quarter because I knew how to spell "Condoleezza" and he didn't. (THERE ARE TWO Z'S, PEOPLE)
-- Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:57 (Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:57) Bookmark Link

And, when I first read it, I thought that read Condolezza.
Which would explain the rumours, I guess.

"Code Pink" Protestors: Classic or Dud

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