1 in 10 6 year olds are obese

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To me this is disgraceful.
Are fast food restaurants to blame?
Are children more greedy?
Should there be health warnings on fattening foods?
I feel that the parents are to blame in these instances. I mean, are some adults really so stupid as to not realise that constant sweets, crisp, chocolate, fast food etc etc will give your child weight problems. That said, what can be done?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I worry about this in the future, as I would like to find a happy medium, as I would hate to give my children a food complex. I certainly don't want my child of 10 years of age telling me she wants to go on a diet.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

a diet can mean anything though, it's not necessarily about eating less, kids SHOULD eat a LOT but obviously everything in moderation and keeping a good balance. of course i ate quite a lot of junk in my formative years too and while i didn't get fat (thanks to hyper-metabolism) i'm sure i have some other problems either now or on the crads (mild diabates thanks to too much sugar perhaps, very bad teeth etc.)

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Kids are just more likely to be 'big boned' these days.

marianna, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of the problem is insufficient exercise. I think soda is quite dangerous as a calorie source, since it's easy to consume so much of it.

Al Andalous, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I read this horrible article a few months back about a woman who fed her 3 yr old nothing but McDonald's chicken nuggets. Her excuse was that she didn't cook and her daughter didn't like other kinds of foods. With these kinds of people raising children is it any wonder there are so many cases of childhood obesity?

Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I know that a distant relative of mine (via marriage) used to only feed their child chocolate bourbons & cheese wotsits because 'they just wont eat anything else.' I certainly will not be held to ransom by my child like that. Obviously kids wont like certain foods, as adults don't like certain foods, but my kids will get a varied, balanced diet whether they like it or not.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of the articles/news I've seen on childhood obesity lately has suggested that calorie intake is actually down, and therefore insufficient exercise is to blame. No one makes their kids walk to school anymore.

marianna, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Marianna on the money. Kids get driven everywhere by parents too scared to let them out on their own.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Fast food is possibly to blame. School cafeterias are possibly to blame. No support for healthier food initiative legislation is possibly to blame. Lazy ass parents are DEFINITELY to blame.

If you want your child to eat healthy, you provide them with food that is healthy. If they don't eat it, then they are hungry. This seems cruel (especially to non-parents or to parents-what-spoil-their-kids), but IT WORKS.

It's true (and frustrating) that children are very finicky eaters; my son is among the worst of them. You just have to keep experimenting with things; when your child wants a snack, instead of giving them access to a bag of chips/crisps, try giving them a bowl of grapes or some popcorn. Above all, don't worry about your child not eating, cuz they WILL EAT, they are very hungry.

But even more importantly STOP SHOVELING McCHUBBLIES INTO THEIR MOUTHS AND COOK THEM A MEAL ONCE IN AWHILE YOU LAZY SAD EXCUSES FOR PARENTS.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel I need to elaborate on that "don't feed them" thing...if say you finally by some amazing force of will can manage to NOT give in to your child's pleads for crisps or chocolate or McFattyBoombalattys and give them instead an apple or some carrot sticks or yoghurt or something, they will quite likely turn it down...THAT TIME. Be patient and remember that your child isn't going to die of starvation because you refused them that one Happy Meal. The next day comes along however and guess what? Junior is so hungry that maybe he/she will take you up on that offer of grapes and yoghurt.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

If you want your child to eat healthy, you provide them with food that is healthy. If they don't eat it, then they are hungry. This seems cruel (especially to non-parents or to parents-what-spoil-their-kids), but IT WORKS.
This is definitely right & it is the method that I will employ with my kids. *pink's unborn child shudders*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

1 in 106 year old children seems a suspiciously low number.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

*falls off the chair laughing*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume pinkpanther is quoting the statistic for the UK. In the US it is probably higher. Also, "obese" is bigger than merely "overweight"

fletrejet, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, sorry I should've said that, it's in the uk. Oh yeah these kids are way past being overweight.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

nickalicious your word choice makes you sound like a booming old-fashioned father :) "with you and your...your mcchubblies, well we won't be having any of those, those mcfattyboomblattys in this household!"

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, like, back in my day, if we were hungry, we didn't have no drive-thru fancy-pants deep-fried McWhatsits, we had to eat STICKS and DOG POOP. And we were glad for that too!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's why. Just one school at random. Scroll down to the menus and "meal cart". I didn't see a single ounce of fiber, it's all fat, grease, and sugar for lunch. the corporate tie-in makes it worse, as those foods are *really* fatty, and of course it will be the brand-name stuff off of the cart that the kids want, having been told by advertising that it will make them happy, cool, popular to eat these things.

http://www.bertlynn.com/about_bert_lynn.htm

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I read some stats a while ago which showed that in fact, the proportion of obese people in the UK was slightly higher than in the USA (though the proportion of just plain overweight was lower). The medical definition of 'obese' isn't really that fat, though. I think 'obese', I think "fucking hell - look at them!" whereas they used some fairly low BMI rating. Hence figures like '1 in 10'.

Maybe the USA would win again in the 'superobese' category.

I do find fat families a bit depressing.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

OK - it seems I misread those stats or they were wrong.

The figures seem to be:

65% of Americans are overweight or obese (BMI > 25)

30% are obese (BMI>30>

50% of British are overweight or obese

19% are obese

Sources:
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/nutrit/pubs/statobes.htm
http://www.aso.org.uk/apps/oric/oric_frames.asp

But as I say - you don't have to be that fat to be classified as obese. If you were 5'8", you'd have to weigh 198lb (14st 2lb).

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

And before someone inevitably brings it up, no, BMI charts don't apply to heavily muscled people.

fletrejet, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it is more than notable that "obesity" and "overweight" are very made up terms for very unscientific things backed by shady studies and shadier funding.

yes kids should be given an array of good foods to eat, and sent outside to play.

but a fat kid isn't sick or gross or sad.

(i meant to simply lurk, but this creepy attachment to...well..if not fat-phobia, completely fat-phobic language, by otherwise seemingly well educated people makes my skin crawl.)

nancy b. (nancy b.), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You object to the language, and maybe the pigeonholing, and I understand. But this bugs me:

but a fat kid isn't sick or gross or sad.

Myabe not gross or sad, but a child who has a high body fat ratio is sick. As in, unhealthy.

There's no room for sensitive PC arguing about labels when people are dying and/or leading unhappy lives because they are too fat.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

of course it will be the brand-name stuff off of the cart that the kids want, having been told by advertising that it will make them happy, cool, popular to eat these things.

Well, I don't think it's marketing that's to blame in this case. Kids will eat this stuff in huge quantities for the same reason adults do -- because it tastes good. Because humans are naturally attracted to food with a lot of fat and calories -- it's a leftover impulse from the days (not so long ago) when we all had good reason to believe that we might not be able to get another high-calorie meal for a long while, at least not until winter was over. Add that to the fact that there are huge factories that do nothing but churn out artificial flavors in order to make these things taste as good as possible... well, can you blame the kids for eating it? It's not marketing. It's far more effective than that.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

RIght. Kids aren't gonna eat something that tastes like the bottom of a shoe just because they saw Spongebob eating it on TV. I remember getting Popeye cereal when I was a kid. I tried it once. It tasted liking packing foam. I didn't have my mommy buy it again.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

but a fat kid isn't sick or gross or sad.
I for one never insinuated this. In obese children the onus in on the parents & they are the ones who should be labelled in this way. Is is sad for the child as they will no doubt get teased & potentially suffer health problems due to their weight.
I am not really sure why you have stated that this is 'amking your skin crawl'.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh & btw, I am not fat-phobic, I just know the heartache it can cause.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Pinkpanther OTM.

...very unscientific things backed by shady studies and shadier funding...

Are you suggesting that there are rich powerful skinny people somewhere funding studies designed to sell people less food? Come on.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. Perhaps they want to sell you their fat-free/low-cal products? Just a thought.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of the 'healthier options' that are available are actually worse for you than the goods that arent branded as 'low fat'.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Fat-free foods are sugar-filled foods, which is just as bad if not worse. Low-cal foods are vegetables. There's not much money in vegetables.

I'm just saying that suggesting there's some conspiracy against fat people is ridiculous, expecially in America. We're all kinda fat here. We'd all certainly like to be eating the kind of foods that make you fat. The movement toward not being fat is a movement toward restraint and conservation, not insidious evil. We're not against fat people, for Chrissakes! Hell, some of us are fat people!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

kenan is otm!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The movement toward not being fat is a movement toward restraint and conservation

I think there's more to it than that. It's not just that we eat too much food, but we eat too much of the wrong types of foods. Everyone is short on time and it's so much easier to get a Whopper than cook a healthy, well-rounded meal. We need better options; it's literally a chore trying to find and prepare tasty, healthy, fulfilling meals. (for me at least, as I have little practice in doing so).
My BIG MONEY IDEA that would probably be a total failure is to open a fast-food place that actually serves healthy, yet tasty foods. I think I've developed a sophisticated enough palette to be able to find healthy foods tasty. A spicy Thai veggie dish is just as yummy as a stuffed pizza.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

god i'm tired and incoherent

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I would definitely go to this type of fast food place.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

My sister's BIG MONEY IDEA: breakfast delivery service. No one has time to cook a big breakfast or go to a restaurant but who wouldn't like eggs benedict delivered to their door at a specified time? Well, people who don't like eggs benedict I suppose.
Does this exist anywhere?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

My BIG MONEY IDEA that would probably be a total failure is to open a fast-food place that actually serves healthy, yet tasty foods

Have you eaten from McDonald's salad menu lately? Now there
s a half-assed attempt at improving their image. There are more calories in one of those salads than in a Big Mac -- probably twice as many. It's a problem with fat contant, and sugar content, and portion sizes... it's a problem with giving people what they want, at base. People don't want to eat right. People are predisposed for a number of reasons toward eating things that are bad for them, and lots of it. And McDonald's is in the business of making money by giving people what they want.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Not sure, but I'd like to order poached eggs on toast pls.
x-post

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

So you have to attack the obesity problem from two angles at once: you have to make people aware that what they want is not what they should have, and you have to change what's available to them, perhaps at the expense of unbridled capitalism. This goes triple for children. Kids in school should not be able to buy their own Domino's pizza. That's far more irresponsible, IMO, than giving them birth control.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i think breakfast delivery is a great idea - esp. for the hot, freshly baked bread prospect

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

deliver a bacon and egg sandwich to me every morning at 9am and you'll have a customer for life

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2003 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

This is excellent news. when I'm in my late thirties I'm going to look waaaay better than the twenty year old competition.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 9 October 2003 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, why?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 9 October 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
http://www.boners.com/content/791112.1.jpg

This AP picture of a four and five year old was used (without the boners.com, obv.) to illustrate a story about research into anti-obesity drugs in yesterday's Herald. What's that in the window - Hebrew? I wonder if these kids know they are being used around the world as OMG illustration.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

it really works.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Good God, that child is like a mattress tied into a human shape with string.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if the one of the left knows he'll end up like the one on the right some day. (if he's dedicated that it!)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is the the website 'boners.com' N?

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

oi nick i am just hoping you dont feed the little sprog mcdonalds more than like once a month

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't feed him mickey dees whatsoever!

the homunculi who actually have them (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

if i have kids i'll probably take them to Mcdonalds now and then, but they can bloody well walk home afterwards

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i'm not saying that you should deny yr children all guilty pleasures, but jesus christ, it's amazing how many people in the suburbs rely on fast food as their primary food source during the week. the ill-effects arent just related to kids who look like the michilin man!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

also: FAST FOOD IN SCHOOL LUNCHROOMS MUST GO

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i seriously doubt i would have been as fat as i was when i left high school if i hadnt been eating taco bell every day for two years.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of McDonalds-reared kids look far from obese -- they look fucking scrawny, cos they aren't getting any nutrients. It's glands, or something.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I think soda as a beverage staple is a culprit as well. I always hated the stuff, kids used to make fun of me for it, but I didn't have the health & dental problems that my soda-addicted sister has struggled with.

x-post Enrique : yeah, it's not the weight (I've got some 'fat' family members who lived past 90), it's the health.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

This Atkins diet shit isn't really doing anything to help America learn how to balance their diet either. I know somebody who has put their child on it. I want to smack her upside the head exactly like I've seen her smack her child.

Good god other parents put the hate in me something fierce sometimes.

the homunculi who actually have them (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

thank god i lost 2 pounds this week.

Spoony, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

None of these faddy things do. Decent nutritional information just hasn't got the pizazz and selling-power of any of these "be as unhealthly thin as your favourite celebrity" diets. The idea of a child doing Atkins is terrifying, for the future psycological effects as well as the nutritional ones.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

me: I'm okay with having kids as long as there's no junk food or television in the house.
mr teeny: ARE YOU KIDDING???
me: not really.
mr teeny: you like tv, you just don't like kids.
me: dur.
mr teeny: okay.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

mr teeny: does it make me shallow if I don't want kids because I really really can't handle poopy diapers?
me: who cares?

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

those really do get better if you imagine a chimp in a fez saying them

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it's even better if you imagine it in bed.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

wait, while I'M in bed?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

cuz, you know, done and done.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

the novelty of bestiality fantasy is still new for some of us.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

rookie

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

None of these faddy things do. Decent nutritional information just hasn't got the pizazz and selling-power of any of these "be as unhealthly thin as your favourite celebrity" diets.

Hahaha i have an insane relative who lived through austerity and rationing and now criticizes people who haven't read the 500pp Atkins book and then go on 'what they consider to be the diet'. Of course, when I asked what was in those 500pp that isn't included in the 'no carbs' dilly, she didn't have much to say. Of course, she drives everywhere.

NRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Help, am saying 'of course' twice per par. I AM NOT MARCELLO I AM A FREE MANG.

NRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand it. McDonalds, in the long run, is certainly NOT more economical than eating a square, home-cooked meal (which really does NOT take as long as people say).

In theory this is true, but there are a number of reasons why impoverished people tend to unhealthy nutritional sources. There is the obvious calorie/cost ratio. Or maybe mom is working two jobs and going to school and really doesn't have time to feed the kids. Also, low-wage earners tend to get weekly or daily paychecks, not monthly, and so may have the money on hand to go to McDonalds, but not to buy in bulk. This also of course results in some of the more unconventional housing arrangements (eg. motels) which are the practical, if not economical, solution and may lack adequate cooking/refrigeration facilities.

Still, I personaly have little tolerance of fat and am not inclined to ignore the impact of personal choice.

mouse, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

very true. in nickel & dimed, barbara ehrenreich wonders how she (and by extension, the many subsistance-level wage earners in u.s.) is supposed to make a nutritious, low-cost, long-lasting lentil stew or similar when a) the cash outlay for kitchen utensils is beyond her weekly budget and b) there's no refrigerator in her tiny motel room to keep food in to begin with.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Barbara Ehrenreich is long on survival skills.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I've cooked in hotel rooms! Pasta in the coffee maker!

the homunculi that actually own them (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I used to work in a supermarket - not a lot of fatties working there. Mickey D's was still too expensive for most of us. Taco Bell, maybe. I guess Babs never heard of Aldi's.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Barbara Ehrenreich is long on survival skills.

i don't really, either, but i still think it's a valid point.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"I used to have friends... but I ate them."

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

fast food in school lunchrooms must go but when the management tries, the kids order-in pizza or go to the nearest fastfood place so they need to check that too. Also, fastfood day in school cafeteria is always the best seller so oops big money idea should seek that particular market! I've heard some schools are taking this problem seriously and are already working with third parties to provide that kind of service, they are also doing stuff like putting tasty and healthy stuff in their food and beverage vending machines and add a salad bar in the cafeteria to change habits of the kids.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Let everyone get fat and die. Fuck 'em.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Please don't think I was serious saying that.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

elementary schools count ketchup as a vegetable!

fast food chains have gone after school lunch contracts, resulting in hi fat foods being offered (and elem age kids can't leave to go get something else)

also, because cheap is the bottom line, and what is cheap? fats and carbs and fake oily cheese, that is what elem school kids are fed.

if the kids are poor and on the free lunch program, they are doubly likely to have hi fat school food as their only regular calorie source, and if they don't get enough to eat at home, will probably eat more of it

AND last but not least, the effect of this is train the kids to *like* hi fat foods

and with fast food marketeers aiming at kids in their ads, it is no surprise.

as for what they eat at home, did you ever notice that it is far more expensive to eat healthy than to eat not? for example salad and piece of fish costs as much as 2 weeks worth of Top Ramen, starchy and fattening.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Who are 'they'?? The topic was fast food. Lots of people who gorge on fast food have the money & time to do better.

As for 'top ramen', I thought the natives lacked kettles and such in their hotel rooms. I'm so confused .....let them eat fish.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh what to do about those poor people? I know, let's send Barbara Ehrenreich to tell us what it's like to not be able to eat fish so she can maintain a chic 110-pound frame.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

1 in 10 6 year olds are obese--here's the reason, and my point, in case you missed it:

schools start early getting people hooked on hi fat food
advertisers pick up and reinforce the trend.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

....and the ramen noodle lobby is seducing poor people, who are all fat.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

NO
I mean top ramen, purchased at the grocery store.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you talking about Aldi? Because they have vegetables 29 cents a can there. Maybe someone should do a study on it or something.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"Some of the same lawyers that brought down "Big Tobacco" are targeting America's fast-food industry as the cause of America's obesity."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Are they gonna sue La-Z-Boy next? How about suing developers for creating sprawl?

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

god you sound like c-m*n!

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh what to do about those poor people? I know, let's send Barbara Ehrenreich to tell us what it's like to not be able to eat fish so she can maintain a chic 110-pound frame

yeah! jesus christ. she's got a fucking nerve trying to point out that it can be very difficult to eat properly on a poverty level income!

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

It's about time the fast food industry assumes the social cost of it's greed.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Point out to whom, Lauren?

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

to whomever reads the book. as i said, i think it's a valid point. you don't. fair enough. but i resent the implication that because we disagree on the merit of ehrenreich's writing or the politics of fast food or whatever i'm some sort of patronizing lefty ivory-towerist.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And I don't think we can blame the fast-food industry. Supply meets demand, and none of us ever thought it was healthy.

But I really think that the exercise part is at *least* 50% of the problem. I know we're talking about different kinds of fats etc, but still: my parents and grandparents, growing up, lathered butter all over everything (lots of white bread), ate red meat about 6 nights a week (fish n chips the other night), drank a lot of beer...
Like the UK, this was (and often still is) the New Zealand diet.

BUT, their generations aren't as fat. I believe this is because they walked/rode bikes to school, played in parks/empty lots after school etc. Parents are now so paranoid about safety (and yes, the media is much to blame, cos statistically most cities aren't more dangerous now than 20 years ago)...they don't let their kids run around.
You can eat what you want, as long as you burn it off...

paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

What are books (and can we eat them)?

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing my mum got right: I'm really glad I was never allowed junk food as a child, except on very special occasions like Halloween and the holidays, school field trips, or with the 50 cents our grandfather gave us every Sunday, which first bought two candy bars and a Tangy Taffy and was not increased with inflation.

My mum has about ten dishes that she does really well, plus breakfast food. Our bread always came from the bakery (Wonder she called 'nuclear loaf'). Butter and whole milk, never ever margarine. Oranges, apples and bananas and hot buttered toast after school. Sugar cereals only happened as part of mini-boxes over the holidays, otherwise we had Cheerios, but eggy breakfasts on the weekends. Veg with dinner, lunch from the school cafeteria. My mom was partial to brownies, so we got those in from the bakers or had cinnamon rolls on Saturday, not eggs.

The important thing was that my mom had a shopping budget and she stuck to it. We all understood the food supply had to last for two weeks and we behaved accordingly. Any convenience food is bound to be expensive, so we'd have maybe a pack of hot dogs around and hamburger-based something once in that time, lots of eggs, pasta dishes, Chicken Kiev for treats (we'd split two between three people as two to a box). That kept stuff stable. Also we lived next to woods and a marsh and never came home anything other than covered in grass stains and mud.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Suing the fast-food industry vs. suing the tobacco industry: they're two very different things, considering that nicotine is a highly addictive substance. (Whereas Whoppers turn you off after one bite)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)


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