TS: Philosophy: 'Get Rich or Die Tryin' Vs 'Don't Stop Livin in the Red'

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As you make your way through life, what guides you?

I'm with the latter.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

What do either of those phrases mean, for gods sake?

kate (kate), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't consider philosophy a driving force in my life so much as the commentator yelling "GOAL!" from the sidelines or occasionally groaning and yelling "are you blind? THAT WAS IN!!!" when something goes wrong.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

What do either of those phrases mean, for gods sake?

GRODT means, literally, going for the money and consequences be dammned.
DSLITR means, well, not having the self-discipline of GRODT-ers, but also not taking the boring, pinched attitude that sounder minds would advocate.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Errrr... well, for a start, having worked in accounting so long, shouldn't that second one be Don't Stop Living In The Black?

Being In The Red is accounting slang for being overdrawn because in some systems, negative figures are recorded in red ink.

So, erm, as far as financially, I wouldn't do either of them. But I'm not particularly concerned with becoming rich, either. Especially not if it involves dying. Because, as I was saying to HSA last night, there really comes a point where I wouldn't know what to do with any more money.

kate (kate), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't Stop Living In The Red is a philosphy that everyone can get with at the same time, so it wins.

kate - that's more or less what it means. Don't stop living beyond your limits (but not so much monetary limits as the red part of the speedometer)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

for a precise articulation of one of the philosophies expressed, we turn once again to the words of Andrew WK:
"Don't Stop Living In The Red"

Don't stop living in the red
Don't stop living in the red
Don't stop living in the reeeeeeeeeed

You were always living in the red
You were always living in the red
You were always living in the reeeeeeeeed

Oooooh....oooooh....oooooh......oooooh
Red, red, red, red, red, red, red

Don't stop living in the red
Don't stop living in the red
Don't stop living in the reeeeeeeeeed

Oooooh....ooooh....oooooh......oooooh
Don't stop living in the
red, red, red, red, red, red, red


Hopefully, that answers some of your questions.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED LIVING IN THE RED!!! Living in the red means living beyond your means. This is proven by mathematics! Or at least accounting, which is practically the same thing!

kate (kate), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Er, In The Red/Black isn't even slang: I'd be surprised if it wasn't in some dictionaries.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, look it up in the bloody dictionary, because I think it's wrong. Even if it is about the speedometer, going into the red would be going above the speed limit and that would be BAD, and a metaphor for living beyond your means, too.

kate (kate), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure what's going on here: living beyond your means is what DSLITR is all about.

"Don't stop living in the black" by Coldplay or suchlike is a brilliant idea.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, maybe not so much means as limits, again.

What do you think I'm saying, because I think I'm agreeing with you.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, i think that "Living in the Red" means that your speaking voice is always a constant yell, or at least at either +3 VU or -2 dB, depending on your meter.

http://software.xfx.net/activex/dxvu/images/dxvu_vu.gif

so, it's a lot like being AWK, then.

Presumably.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Outta gas - still burnin
Actually I can't even drive, but yeah, it's more a 'tude thing. I think AWK wd think me a bit soft.

"Don't stop living in the black" by Coldplay

YES!!

Dude - that picture's moving! I never thought there were so many levels to DSLITR. I thought it meant financially, but - the guy has depth, you know?

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

well, i guess it's what happens when you attempt to Not Stop Living In the Red, but don't have your compressor rack set properly.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The confusion of this thread is that Enrique explained both philosophies in a terrible fashion.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Wots a compressor rack? I missed the WK hype and all the stuff about expensive production costs passed me by. All I know is it ROCKS and any indie hataz who don't like high production costs - I gots one word, peeps, and it's a good one: 'Loveless'.

Sorry Ally, I did, can you help? Basically I was going for a protestant work ethic (50) vs Andrew WK vibe. But even that is muddying the waters.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem is, both of the philosophies espoused in the thread seem to mean essentially the same thing. And I don't want to do either!

It's not even about the Coldplay song there, it's more like "Red or Black, It's All Uninteresting To Me, I'm Going To Go Over Here And Start Playing With My Effects Racks Until The Walls Start Moving" by Spacemen 3.

kate (kate), Thursday, 9 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

50 Cent says protestant work ethic?!?!?!?!?!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 9 October 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

For serious.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The confusion of this thread is that Enrique explained both philosophies in a terrible fashion.
-- Ally (mlescau...), October 9th, 2003. (later)

This is very funny.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Why?

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it's true.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, what the fuck, I was rushed, I thought the thread wd slip away, Kate had me bang to rights... I kind of thought it was self-explanatory, you know?

Durn.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"I was rushed" = even funnier, as if your ILE boss is standing over you shouting for you to make deadline.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i need to voice something about DSLITR as a philosophy and this is because it has a particular meaning to me...

when i hear "DSLITR", i think of it as Andrew's tribute to Bulb and the Michigan Noise Axis... a deeply devotional tribute to the people that fostered his art and encouraged him to follow his dreams. it's the last song on the record, it's almost like a sad goodbye to his teenage years and an enormous "thank you" to those guys (whose music is pretty much "in the red" in terms of VU/EQ, not to mention for-profit-wise).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3817/avfeature_3817.html

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Although AWK could mean the "red" as in going in debt, maxing out credit cards, I'm wondering if maybe he means "in the red" like a race car engine guage that's going over into the red, overheating?? He seems like a NASCAR guy to me....like you've got to keep the pedal to the metal no matter what....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 October 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

crap x-post

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 October 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

http://deanna.ladyinterference.com/ilx/gordongekko.jpg

The point is, ladies and gentleman, is that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 9 October 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't understand what Kate is on about.

It's getting rich vs. being in debt.

So how should the second one be 'livin in the black'? That wouldn't make it a vs. at all.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 9 October 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't consider philosophy a driving force in my life so much as the commentator yelling "GOAL!" from the sidelines or occasionally groaning and yelling "are you blind? THAT WAS IN!!!" when something goes wrong.

A man with obvious priorities straight

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 9 October 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Rich of Die Tryin', obv. I mean nearly every track on that CD is a winner!

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 10 October 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Considering that I didn't really give you my official stance on this issue with the last post, I'll say it here:

I'm all for getting rich. I want to die a filthy, stinking rich person. I'm not too concerned if I lose out on a few possibly quality human connections along the way to becoming rich, because I lose out on some possibly quality human connections right now, even though I'm not even really trying to do anything aside from just living day to day. I also don't really care if I drive away a few people along the way, because I seem to be doing a swell job hurting driving people away, anyway. I want to live in a gorgeous house, drive beautiful vehicles, be able to get as far away from my everyday reality as I possibly can when vacation time rolls around, keep my mother the hell away from nursing homes, buy designer clothing, wear real gold or silver jewelry (whichever I choose), have plenty of money in the bank and in savings and in investments, be able to walk into a regular bookstore and buy exactly what I want, when I wanted it, eat exquisitely, live exquisitely, and die exquisitely, leaving my few heirs (mostly the people who still cared when the going got tough) with a wealth of riches. I want it all and I'm willing and ready to work my fingers to the bone for it.

If that above sentiment makes me unpopular around here -- well, not like I'd be breaking any trends or anything.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 10 October 2003 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

wealth is soo 2002.

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Friday, 10 October 2003 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

N understands, man! He knows! Felicity, you'd best believe I was rushed, the thread was slipping down...

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It's getting rich vs. being in debt.

That makes even less sense to me.

How about just living within your means? Not being rich doesn't mean you have to be in debt. That is the mistake of a conspicuous consumption society. Sigh.

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Cos my means ain't shit!

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 10 October 2003 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd really like to be in a position where I didn't have to care. Unfortunately, in this society, the only way to not have to care about money is to have way too much of it. I'd like to be able to rearrange my priorities, make myself more self sufficient, etc. etc. and make myself just not care about consuming more commodities.

I'd rather just be happy with what I've got. I just wish there were a way that I really could get the basics without stupid amounts of money.

(But this is the last sort of wishful thinking that people espouse before they run off to live in the Trinity Wilderness or the French Countryside or something.)

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, i'll live within my means soon enough.

i just need to get back into the game for one last score...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate - you're putting this dimness on!

Since when have ILE 'Taking Sides' threads been about sensibly covering all options? Of course you can just lead a fiscally prudent, relatively modest life, and that's what most of us will probably do. But one doesn't answer a 'TS: Blur vs. Oasis' by saying 'Pulp!'. Well, one can - but it's a bit obvious.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 11 October 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Dee writes:

(you all saw what she wrote)

Wow. I thought you used to be a Christian. What happened?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 13 October 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Die Trying To Stop Living In The Red seems the most befitting philosophy to most of us i figure.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 13 October 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Word. I suppose anyone who takes a mortgage is condemned to it. Maybe that's what AWK meant.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 13 October 2003 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

when he sang 'Party Til You Puke?'

stevem (blueski), Monday, 13 October 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)


I'm all for getting rich. I want to die a filthy, stinking rich person. I'm not too concerned if I lose out on a few possibly quality human connections along the way to becoming rich, because I lose out on some possibly quality human connections right now, even though I'm not even really trying to do anything aside from just living day to day. I also don't really care if I drive away a few people along the way, because I seem to be doing a swell job hurting driving people away, anyway. I want to live in a gorgeous house, drive beautiful vehicles, be able to get as far away from my everyday reality as I possibly can when vacation time rolls around, keep my mother the hell away from nursing homes, buy designer clothing, wear real gold or silver jewelry (whichever I choose), have plenty of money in the bank and in savings and in investments, be able to walk into a regular bookstore and buy exactly what I want, when I wanted it, eat exquisitely, live exquisitely, and die exquisitely, leaving my few heirs (mostly the people who still cared when the going got tough) with a wealth of riches. I want it all and I'm willing and ready to work my fingers to the bone for it.

In many cases that's coupled with a fear to lose it all.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 13 October 2003 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll have what they're having, except the jewellery (yeurgh)

stevem (blueski), Monday, 13 October 2003 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought some great "platinum" bling the other day. Two nice chains w/pendants, only a dollar each.

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Monday, 13 October 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My flow, my show brought me the dough...

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 13 October 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)


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