Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-V, How Much Do You Use the ol' Short Cut Key

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My job involves a lot of file management and I mean A LOT. I am forever moving, copying and generally medalling with all sorts of graphics and txt files of all shapes and sizes. This morning I'm spending lots of time zipping up various types of files and sending them to someone by ftp. I'm sending a zip file of xml, one of pdfs, one of eps files etc. So all the zip files have names which differ only in the name of the type of files they contain but are otherwise the same. I always go to an old zip file, click on Rename and copy the name to the new one when I use WinZip.

BUT some ppl say "YOU CRAZY BOY! It takes all of 5 seconds to type the whole name of the file".

Anyway it all comes down to personal preference.

So, how much do you type stuff anew each time and how much do you use shortcuts like the one I've described?

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I typed "medalling" instead of "meddling".

this was prompted in part by whoever it was on here who worked in an office where somewhere printed out a Word file and retyped the contents into an email, heh.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yes and I know I'm going to get a unix user out there telling me how much better it is than Windows at file management. we just don't have it here, grr.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Not for file management, but on Excel, I'm using CTRL+C, CTRL+X, CTRL+V, CTRL+S, CTRL+W etc etc ALL the time. There's not ENOUGH shortcuts - I've had to record a macro shortcut (CTRL+SHIFT+P) for Paste as Values.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yes Johnney, I just happened to be doing file management at the time, but as a matter of fact I use them all when using all the Windows apps and when I'm doing text editing of various kinds I make a lot of use of Hone End, Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End etc. The one I wished I knew about years ago was Shift-Ctrl-End for highlighting everything to the end of the text.....I remember having to delete a long stretch of text from the document and trying to do it by holding down the mouse button and scrolling.

Mice are obviously v useful things (props to Mr Englebart) but I wouldn't dream of say, going to Paste on a Windows toolbar and I rarely use the button on the toolbar either. It just seems faster to use Ctrl-V and I feel a sense of ergonomic superiority therefrom which is possibly quite illusory!

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It really depends on the computer that I'm using, and the program that I'm using.

On my old laptop, the mouse is nearly completely shot, so I end up doing *everything* - or at least as much as possible by keyboard commands. I got really into Home and End and things like that, as well as control-shift-arrow to highlight whole words or sentances.

On MS programs, I tend to use shortcuts a LOT. Not so much on programs like Photoshop, because you end up having to have these weird claw-configurations like control-shift-alt-E and things like that which are very hard to do single-handedly.

The copy-paste into the filename thing bothers me, though. I never do it, because I'm too scared that I'll end up overwriting something important by mistake. HSA always does it and it irritates me.

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

driving a mac has always been a two handed job, mainly due to Apple's stubborn refusal to adopt two, or even three button, mice and track pads (I realise I could get a third party multi button doodad but that's not the point).

Ed (dali), Friday, 10 October 2003 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, not having a right mouse click is just patently STOOPID. I knew there was a reason I didn't get a Mac! Hah! (Some PC mice have THREE buttons or two buttons and a wheel now! I love the wheel! The wheel is aceness incarnate. I'd like to see a Mac do some of that!)

I am more addicted to right mouse clicking than I am to claw-keyboard-commands.

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

It is slightly irritating when typing a mail at work, and press ctrl+X to SEND! and then realise you've accidentally cut your whole email to the mystical pantheon of the CLIPBOARD. Argh argh ctrl+v! ctrl+v!

I use Pine for email at home.

Sarah (starry), Friday, 10 October 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Pine for home use, that's impressive.

Non MS text editors such as Ultra Edit and TextPad, whilst much better than Notepad and Wordpad in terms of functionality are ANNOYING coz the shortcut keys are DIFFERENT and it takes a while for my brain to adjust. Mind you, until recently I had a wheelie mouse on the computer on the r/h side of the desk and a non-wheelie on the l/h side, leading to ineffectual STROKING of the l/h one from time to time.


I say ineffectual - it might have enjoyed it....

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I use lots and lots of shortcut keys. When opening or creating an Excel document, for instance, I immediately, and more or less automatically, press Alt+v, z, 7 to get the zoom I like.

I've had to record a macro shortcut (CTRL+SHIFT+P) for Paste as Values
Now I feel stupid for not having done this already... although Alt+e, s, v isn't too bad.

Yeah, not having a right mouse click is just patently STOOPID.
Right-clicking is indeed ace, although I'm currently trying to teach myself to love the "right-click" key on the keyboard in order to save yet some more milliseconds and hand-movement muscle energy.

OleM (OleM), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure, Mice like to be stroked. I could see that.

(Talk about involuntary typing reflexes, when I first typed that, it said mice like to be Strokes. Sigh. Shoot me.)

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

What right click key on the keyboard?

Sarah (starry), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

mice like to be Strokes

to the Photoshop! Let's go!

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I like right clicking. What i don't like is the way that, in order to change what's on the right click menu you have to brave the perils of VER REGISTRY.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Regedit is your FRIEND!!!

Anyone who photoshops pictures of mice with fat asses or bad afros gets A BEATDOWN!!! I'm warnin' ya!

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What right click key on the keyboard?

The. :)

On my keyboard it has a picture of a drop-down menu on it, and is located on the right half of the bottom row. (The full bottom row is Ctrl, Windows, Alt, Space, AltGr, Windows, Right click, Ctrl.)

OleM (OleM), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

AAAAHHHHH!!! I have one of those on this keyboard! I never knew what it was for!

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Shortcuts are fantastic: ctrl-x, ctrl-c and ctrl-v for cutting and pasting; ctrl-z to undo; ctrl-i, ctrl-b and ctrl-u for bold, italic and underline if I need to format in MSword (and * for bullet points, cuz the autoformat will translate it); the home and end and direction keys with varying combinations of shift and ctrl; alt-F4 to shut down programmes/the computer. And of course alt-tab rather than clicking on the icons on the bottom bar.

I'd say it was for the illusion of speed, but I use alt and the direction keys for the upper menu (alt t l t = msword thesaurus), which is well slow, so I think I just have a severe case of mouse-aversion. Except in editpad and phoenix, where the right mouse button is essential for resorting/saving/refreshing/closing different tabs.

...I fear this mythical right-click key. I think I may have pressed it by accident and promptly killed whatever I was working on at some point.

cis (cis), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Who uses the "other" (oldskool?) shortcuts Shift-Ins and Shift-Del?

Also, re "Rename" shenanigans, surely there must be a way of adding a CopyFileName to the dropdown?

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 10 October 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I use the obvious ones - ctrl-C ctrl-V etc.

This reminded me of when I was doing my writing diploma though. In the DTP class one guy (who was hilarious) would always stuff up and shriek "apple Vee! Apple VEE!" when he did. I always think of that when I undo even tho I dont use a Mac.

Once when putting on lippy I sodded it up, and my first thought was "oops - undo!"

I think I use pooters too much :(

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 10 October 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

God, it was apple ZEE actually, of course.

Ive had too many Strongbows.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 10 October 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I wish life came with a Control-Z. I often catch myself trying to do it in awkward situations where I f*ck things up.

kate (kate), Friday, 10 October 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I know just what you mean :/

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 10 October 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

my mac has a two button mouse and scroll wheel.

I'm used to THREE buttons godammnit

I use shortcuts so much I spend more time thinking of better ways to do things than time saved. For file management these days I drop into unix more and more so i can grep and pipe and mv and sed away smashing.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 10 October 2003 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never actually used a computer with three buttons, so I don't know what a third button would do.

The only person I saw using a three button mouse had a computer running the RISC OS, but there again I can't remember what the third button did.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 10 October 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Weeeee! RiscOS left=select, middle=menu, right=adjust

roughly, menu is like the right mouse button on a 2-button mouse, adjust is like holding down ctrl or shift to deselect individual items in a selection

TALKING OF WHICH.

BBC News Item Man gets sued for pointing out that "Holding down shift-key disables autoruns".

Alan (Alan), Friday, 10 October 2003 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Windows key plus E
Windows key plus F
Windows key plus D

And CtrlAltDel far too often.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 10 October 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

mainly alt and Tab for me

ctrl alt del - oh yes

and then only really ctrl v and ctrl c

I use loads on sim golf though

chris (chris), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

use them constantly.

plus, since every other post i make on here either quotes or has an image in it, i use it 50% of the time on here, too.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

shortcuts roxor! though I've never made a macro. my personal favorite is shift + click when web browsing, to open the link in a new window.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

All hail the mouse wheel!

I love shortcuts, vi is shortcuts taken too far though.
CTRL J is a life saver.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 10 October 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Emacs has warped my brain & my fingers forever. I'm really glad now that macs run on a BSD base- yay terminal windows that understand Ctrl-A Ctrl-K & such!

Link to all the main keyboard shortcuts in xemacs:
http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/xemacs_33.html#SEC413

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 11 October 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm all about that shit on Excel!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 11 October 2003 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm all up in its area in Word!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm all about this intellimouse, which has four buttons, not including the wheel, which also acts as a middle click. default for the two on the side is fwd & back, but you can change if you install the fancy driver software

ron (ron), Sunday, 12 October 2003 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My dark-horse favorite is Alt+D in the browser to select the Location bar.

Also Ctrl+D to delete in Unix -- crucial in OS X.

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 12 October 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Area Man Knows All the Shortcut Keys

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 12 October 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I use Emacs. The Ctrl key is usually the first one to stop working on my keyboards.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 13 October 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Love the Ctrl-C and -V keys, never mind that I only learned to use them this year. (I'm a right click girl)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 13 October 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)


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