_Conan the Barbarian_ is a film starring Arnold Schwarznegger

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And I saw it on the way over from Los Angeles to London, as part of Virgin Atlantic's Arnie film fest (no, really). First time I saw in about sixteen years, and after years of seeing so many bad knockoffs (thanks to MST3K) I was surprised at how the film -- while clearly not a *great* film -- was a good one. My thoughts are a little too incoherent right now beyond noting that by keeping Arnie quiet most of the time John Milius was a genius and dealt with his obvious limitations. And there was actually a budget spent on it! As compared to, say, The Cave Dwellers.

Speak about this film. Mock it if you like.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 October 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

contemplate it on the tree of woe, even.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 11 October 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Schwarzenegger + Nietzsche + Mishima + warrior religion of the Eurasian nomads + chunky Frazetta grandeur + Basil Pouledouris score = testosterone Smell-o-rama

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, see dem driven before you, and to hear da lamentations of deir vimmen!

Oh, Arnold, you!

I remember thinking it was a great film but it's been years since I've seen it. I might have a different opinion now, being so Arnold-weary and all. Still, he barely speaks in the film.

Oh, new message alert. Herbsmute just pretty much summed up what's classic about it.

Conan the Destroyer, the sequel, was a real let down. And I was all excited because they'd gotten Grace Jones as the female lead, but it was just a predictably cheesy fantasy/comedy Hollywood flick. Too heavy on the camp.

And hello Ned, hope you're having a blast. Sorry I didn't make it out to the Mountain Goats.

Nonny Poseidon (Arthur), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a good film. No unnecessary dialogue and a great score.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

pashmina I kiss you.

"soon there came a time when my master's victories could not easily be counted" (ie more than like five)

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"aaaye am the wellllspring from which you floooowww"

[cue amazing look of existential horror from arnold]

[cue decapitation]

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lords of Chaos" has an interview with some German Nazi rockers who feel the CTB is the greatest film ever made.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

ah yes, the beginning of Arnold's 10 Year Run of Great Movies.

Conan -> Total Recall & T2 is a pretty good run, you must admit.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It has no Keefe, though. Not a Foot O'Keefe, a Yard O'Keefe, let alone the MILES O'Keefe that Cave Dwellers provides.

I've been watching MST3K too much these days. sorry.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, your betrayal breaks my mighty, pec-protected heart. I can feel it...here.

Miles O'Keefe (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Cave Dwellers was the first ep i'd ever seen, when the Lifetime channel hosted the Cable Ace awards back in 1993, and ran a sampling of nominated programs. I taped it & lived off that tape, since Comcast didn't have Comedy Central, and I wasn't able to regularly tape/trade shows until freshman year in '94.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the DVD commentary track by Milius and Schwartzenegger is beautiful. As is the blooper reel where Arnold gets mauled by one of the dogs while trying to climb up the rocks.

Both movies are priceless. Unfortunately, the Destroyer soundtrack is something like $80 or so these days. ARRGH.

TOMBOT, Saturday, 11 October 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

great arnold flicks

Conan the Barbarian
Terminator
Raw Deal (birth of the quipping Arnold. "You should not drink, and bake.")
Predator
Running Man (w/ Richard Dawson! "WHO DO YOU LOVE?!")
T2

good:
Commando
Twins
Red Heat
Kindergarten Cop
True Lies
Last Action Hero (Featuring Death! and a Queensryche song on the soundtrack!)

enh:
C the Destroyer
Red Sonja
everything after True Lies

oh yeah, and look for him with a big 70's moustache in Altman's The Long Goodbye

(dammit, now i need to start ordering some DVDs)

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 11 October 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

pretty dead on, except I'd put True Lies on the bad side too. Maybe even Kindergarten Cop too. and maybe move Commando up to great.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 11 October 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and maybe move to T2 down to good. And you forgot Total Recall, which is great.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 11 October 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, i did. Yeah, Total Recall = great.

Kindergarten Cop = odd tone changes.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Perfect aside from Commando not making the great list.

Remeber when I said I'd kill you last?
Yeah, man! You said that!
I lied.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 12 October 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"I let him go."

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 12 October 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

enh. commando is fun, but it doesn't do all that much for me.

but hey, how often are you gunna get Arnold & Alyssa Milano with that fucked-up sideways ponytail in the same flick?

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oliver Stone also co-wrote the screenplay with Milius.

The first Conan movie and Excalibur were favorites of mine when I was thirteen.

I always figured they would make a Conan the King movie once Arnold got older. After all, it is one of his few movies where his accent works and sounds good with the character.

earlnash, Sunday, 12 October 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

well, we'll see how this whole "governor" thing works out for him...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If you like Arnold Schwarzenegger films, you'll love the new 'barbarian' collection from Jeremy Scott. You can enjoy it as kitsch and as fascism at the same time. And, no matter what an awful politician he's been, Silvio Berlusconi has made some damn fine television (if you like girls with tassles on their boobs). In Italy and California they walk it like they talk it. Whoo!

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

True Lies also equals odd tone changes. It's the whole Bill Paxton/Jamie Lee Curtis humiliation stuff that really bothers me. Oh yeah, and the mindless terrorism stuff too. Though I wouldn't mind watching Arnie ride a horse across a rooftop again.

Last Action Hero is hella underrated (though that's probably because of the weird Spielberg-stylee glamourization of youths watching mindless violence. But the action parodies are top fuckin' notch)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 12 October 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Schwarzenegger films:

Predator
Commando
Terminator

Alright Schwarzenegger films:

Terminator II

Shite Schwarzenegger films:

all the others.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 13 October 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
i watched return of the king with my parents two saturdays ago and conan the destroyer tonight.

CONAN OWNS.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 25 July 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

good things about the destroyer

- they got mako to reprise his role as AKIRO THE WIZARD
- grace jones one facial expression
- wilt chamberlin's spiky barbarian hat
- wilt chamberlin is named BAMBAATTA
- the thief
- dueling wizards
- "HIS HORN IS HIS LIFE"
- evil priestess impaled on dagos' horn
- lens flare effects on glittering treasure and dress is very "magical"
- the "god of gods", dagos, is shown to be, um, very idealized
- dagos in true form = pleasantly lovecraftian! (very gross, shades of cronenberg's FLY)
- very subtle joke about "my cousin's brother's sister" (ergo "my cousin's sister", but thief is too stupid to see the redundancy)
- the pomposity of the score
- crystal ruins are pretty cool looking too

bad things

- not barbaric enough

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 25 July 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Conan The Barbarian is the crown jewel of Arnold's career. I credit this movie with getting me into the Conan stories by Robert E. Howard which are superb testosterone-ridden frolics through dangerous lands.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 25 July 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

wilt is named bambaatta? with grace jones in it, the whole film must be an extended parable on late disco nyc clublife. it just must be.

g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

grace jones is named ZULA (nation).

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 25 July 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

they should have made a conan movie from the story where conan invades this crazy ivory tower of this cult to ransack it, hopefully without getting caught by their oracle, which is apparently some vicious bloodthirsty demon. when he gets to the top, he finds the oracle, which turns out to be this gentle, crippled elephant being with a third eye. sort of like a really beat up and mutilated ganesh. the demon has lost the will to live and isn't strong enough to get home. conan ends up feeling really sorry for it and kills it out of compassion. the ivory tower collapses. fin.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 25 July 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

or how about the one where the villain is this sorceror who's protected by the impenetrable magic of ancient gods, and conan walks into his bedroom and whips a footstool at his face, braining him. fin.

g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 25 July 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
My extended riff on the movie after a rewatching.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/80saction/80saction.html

more conan/ eighties action film review fun. Also on the site is a nice top ten crappiest black metal picks of all time.

I loved arnie films when I was a kid, I thought he was a better actor than sly, or something. who knows what rationale was behind that decision

Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

This piece = pretty good. The first two comments from Rosie = ALL TIME:

rosie
Wed 01/05/11 7:42 AM

i remember this film. i caught my husband touching himself to this all those years ago. being gay was scarce back then so he married me, apparently because my breasts weren’t very large and my hands were manly.

rosie
Wed 01/05/11 7:43 AM

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)

yoink

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)

and ty, ned (doffs cap)

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

Too kind.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)

one of the greatest works of cinematic fascism ever. i think they re-recorded the soundtrack last year, i wonder how it sounds

Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)

i guess this it it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAI_AN7SfXo

Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)

is it possible to be both fascist and individualist/anti-authoritarian? paradox of a milius

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 19:44 (fourteen years ago)

yeah i think thats milius in a nutshell. hes always been sort of playful about acknowledging it.

that EW writeup is great. seeing this when i was a kid, it played for me like a silent movie. it creeped me out how little people talked in it. well a ton of things creeped me out about it - the temple with the giant snake, james earl jones' slow transformation during the climax, the glimpses of wizardry, subotai's crappy tinny re-dubbed voice. i love the line in the EW piece about "purity of vision" - you can really see that in the way the movie is shot, every frame of it is muscular, and while the sets and costumes hold up i think it comes down to how the location shooting was incorporated into the film - the way the desolate, god-is-dead landscapes seem to invite conan to his doom but by the end he's the one dominating the frame. it's an incredibly satisfying movie to just look at.

Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

^ OTM, it's such a strange movie. ostensibly a heroic action film, it's incredibly heavy, mournful and even psychedelic (esp in the final act, at thulsa doom's palace). if you're on the proper wavelength wavelength, it's hypnotic and suitably epic, but if you're not really feeling it, it becomes this arid boulder of a film, all static gravity, time without incident.

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

wavelength wavelength?

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

i really love this movie

goole, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

tam tam otm, it's still so effective because everything in it looks like real things and real places

goole, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

^ OTM, it's such a strange movie. ostensibly a heroic action film, it's incredibly heavy, mournful and even psychedelic (esp in the final act, at thulsa doom's palace). if you're on the proper wavelength wavelength, it's hypnotic and suitably epic, but if you're not really feeling it, it becomes this arid boulder of a film, all static gravity, time without incident.

...kinda like the original stories, you mean.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)

been wondering if I should get some of those Savage Sword of Conan reprint volumes. they were suitably mysterious to me as a child

a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:23 (fourteen years ago)

...kinda like the original stories, you mean.

very much! like the 70s comics, too

also we’re divorced now and i hate this movie. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)


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