ILX Politics: Who's right wing? Who's left wing? Who's neither?

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― djtanner, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I can speak for Momus, as is traditional on ILX. He's obviously right wing, and if he tells you different, that's just a ruse. Any resemblances to him being a free thinking, troublemaking trickster/artist with communist leanings are deluded. He's right wing because I believe it, end of story. Oh, also he's really illogical. And I'm not.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm very far to the left on most things, esp. environmental issues, but also somewhat more of a pragmatist than most people who are as far left as I am.

― Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a radical moderate.

― Dale the Titled (cprek), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm more conservative than Momus, though. And while Quentin Tarantino was considered a cool movie director, I was busy watching Meg Ryan-type romantic comedies with Mom. And my favorite musical artist of all time is Duran Duran. And I actually like pink & white outfits.

So why the bloody hell am I still here with all you cool kids, then?

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, that's right -- it's kinda fun going against the grain. Carrying around an unpopular political stance + being a hopeless square amongst a bunch of cool kids = Fun With Antagonism!

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Fun With Antagonism doesn't work when the "Cool Kids" don't find you antagonistic, though.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

OT: hey colin is your above email address valid? gotta send something to you

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i am deeply suspicious of all political ideologies.

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm well to the left. My heroes were George Orwell, Eugene Debs and Emma Goldman when I was a teenager. (And still are to a major extent, esp. Orwell, but I'm rather apathetic/nihilistic about the whole shebang, and find the modern, pansy-ass American Left to be something I want no part of.)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

deeply, frightfully, arm-the-citizenry, banish welfare, have your uncle's baby, where's my motherfucking oxycontin right wing.

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd consider myself farther to the left than most americans. however i have no plans to live in a tree or chain myself to an oil tanker any time in the near future.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Fun With Antagonism doesn't work when the "Cool Kids" don't find you antagonistic, though.

Aw man, I need to try harder then.

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

If you asked me my opinion on any political topic, I'd probably come across as pretty liberal but I don't really think about politics much. Life's too short, man. *puffs illegal substance, ignores petition to legalize illegal substance which sits in front of him*

I'm glad not everyone is as apathetic towards politics as I am. However, it's generally the people who have views totally antithetical to mine that seem to get heavily into it.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

this pretty much repeats what i've said elsewhere on ILX ...

... i consider myself to be a pragmatic liberal or (my new favorite) an angry/radical moderate. i used to think that i was further left than i really am -- but election 2000 and encounters with certain Green Party enthusiasts forever cured me of that delusion. overall, the older i get the more disgusted i become with extremists on both the right and the left -- i don't want the country in the hands of bushco or hempco.

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i want the adults and the sane to run things again. let the children and the lunatics go off and build their utopias somewhere else ... like Novaya Zemlya, Mars, or Utah (same difference).

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem there is equating radical views with the Granola Mafia. I probably had the same encounters with those types at various times, but I haven't let them change my politics, it made me want to take back 'the Left.'

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i tend to agree with socialism as an economic ideal and i like to keep the world clean, so call me a lefty. although i am done arguing politics because it is oh so tiring and goes nowhere.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes it does, you pinko.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

milo, if you can get rid of the "granola mafia" (great phrase, BTW), then you will have done yer part as a gentlemen and a citizen. i would recommend giving the lot of 'em a one-way ticket to one of those islands in the white sea where the russians dumped all of their nuclear waste and dud missiles during the cold war, but when i become Vice Dictator of Earth i've reserved that spot for the religious fanatics.

― Little Big Macher (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i find my self disgusted by the instutions of power, and those who wish to replace them. I hate convetion and nostalgia. My politics are closer to debord and foccualt then they are to anyone else. i cant change the world, i wont let the world change me.

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

From: Lord Custos, Dictator of Earth To: Little Big Macher Re: Plan for Religious Fanatics.

Very ambitious. I will now add you to my Executive Cabinet, Little Big Macher. Begin setting up the Stalag at the Island of Woe. Take as many of my Construction Minions as you feel the project requires.

(xpost)

― Lord Custos Omicron, Dictator of Earth (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, those crazy fonts do it for me every time!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ryan otm upthread

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i am deeply suspicious of all political ideologies

Bit easy innit? I mean at a certain point there are choices to be made. Perhaps not in the West, today, but this is still a crazy line of thought, and probably untenable, in that there is not such thing as 'unideological thing'.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I consider myself to be pretty far on the left on most issues, but Momus has insisted that all Americans = hardcore conservatives.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Left I guess. I am extremely left on issues of law I think. However economically I think I'm not so left, possibly through ignorance but that would be what someone arguing with me from the left would say.

On a personal level I feel slightly right, I often think people should "pull themselves together" and things like that. They should though.

I am left wing I suppose but sometimes it's so hard, I hate the wet outrage and the moralising and the intellectual snobbery and the predictable targets and same old same old books etc. I think this is a Uni thing though.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm just fed up with the concept of left and right and i'm inclined to stay in the middle as exact as possible because i can see the pros and cons and the left and right arguments on most issues as long as ALL the information is accessible

that's probably quite a lefty thing to say tho ;)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know
Is there a quizzilla for this?

I expect I have some beliefs that would fall into either camp but also beliefs that would get me barred from both.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

World's Smallest Political Quiz

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

s/smallest/most biased/

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Left-Liberal according to that. Which is as much as I'd expected. I voted Lib Dem and will continue to do so as long as our local Lib Dem counsellors and MP are decent, trustworthy people whose ideas I agree with.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"Biased" just means you're a lefty. See how well it works!

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Would anyone on ILE actually stand up and admit that they were right-wing, if they were?

I have many different beliefs which sometimes adhere to various aspects of the "wings" to the point where it's meaningless to try and fit with one. I believe that individual things should be decided on individual cases, rather than applying a blanket belief system to all. (Which makes me libertarian swinging left, I guess)

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Dee, did, up thread in the right=conservative way and she has done before.

I am a bourgeois-socialist-liberal-radical

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Parlour socialist, moi.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

anarcho-syndicalist at heart, but old, and therefore pragmatic to some extent. God it's depressing.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm closest to Todd and Tad, I think. I haven't got the patience by and large to deal with the radicals on the left whose principles are impossible to put into practice, though I may well agree with their ideals. Nationstate told me I was more pragmatic and pro-socila engineering than I expected, though.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Culturally or aesthetically conservative != politically conservative.

This is Momus's error again and again.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

armchair liberal, me. we had a new 'introduce yourselves' thread not too long ago where most ppl had their political affiliations attached. i think i said the same thing.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, right you are Mr W.

To answer the question: left, sometimes extremely so, but with caveats.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the difficulty with them quizzes is the use of language, non? To describe x-policy as 'social engineering' is already loading the dice, is it not, because the assumption is that 'the market' never engineers, that it is the hidden hand of nature, and that x-policy is unnatural. Which might not be the case.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I consider myself a liberal Republican/conservative Democrat. That quiz of bnw's I took said I was Left-Liberal.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Moderate (by American standards, which dismayingly-to-my-self-image means somewhat rightist by European ones, I guess), either because I'm in the middle of the road for an issue or because I lean one way for some things and the other for others. I've voted Republican once, when voting against Ted Kennedy for Senator; otherwise I vote Democrat for federal-level and gubernatorial elections, and Democrat or third party for local/state-level things. I'm generally disappointed with the Democratic party, annoyed by the Republican party, and bewildered or creeped out by third parties.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

dee does make the equivalence between cultural and political conservatism at leats thats the way I read her many postings.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

middle class radical, according to a rather lefty friend of mine

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

slightly left of center, altho, it ain't the easiest way to vote.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Christian Socialist.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only person that thinks it's weird to be able to describe the entirety of your political beliefs in one to five words?

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 132 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Here's Jake Plummer doing extensive NASA-funded testing on the theory of gravity!!!

http://www.ballenphotos.com/c271.jpg

― Ally-zay, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

OK I think I'm done now. Thanks for letting me get all that out of my system. Don't get me wrong, I like athletes and all. I mean, uniforms are hot.

― Ally-zay, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that really the time? Well, it's been fascinating talking about politics with you.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I figured you'd enjoy that. That actually more aptly describes my political leanings than a 700 post argument would.

― Ally-zay, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

http://onestientertainment.com/pages/morrisday&time.jpg

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm NOT finished, forgot one important statement.

http://www.driko.org/smallpics/jimmcmahon.jpg

― Ally-zay, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.gridscape.com/volosity/tailgate.jpg

god I wish that was bigger

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.utvols.com/images/band/pride.jpg

― TROMBOT, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been part of this terrible thing on multiple occasions

http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~olesen/pictures/powerT.jpg

― TOMBONE, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow how dorky!!

― Ally-zay, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

DO YOU FEEL THE POWER MOTHERFUCKERS
http://web.utk.edu/~utband/marchingbandpics/fresnostatesplit.JPG

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

What does the T stand for?

― straight man (teeny), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bleedburntorange.com/simms_horn.jpg

(missing the Oklahoma DB lurking just out of view about to knock him down and take the ball)

(haha, Texas' football futility RULES)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The T stands for "Trying really hard not to call my boyfriend a total dork"

― Ally-zay, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

take two:
http://www.bleedburntorange.com/simms_horn.jpg

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck this gridiron nonsense

here's a REAL right-winger

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/2002/08/14/euro_rdp/t1_beckham_ap.jpg

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

and on the radical left

http://www.iol.ie/~mmurphy/red_devils/profiles/photos/ph-11.jpg

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

C'mon, read Oscar Wilde's socialist tract!!!

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/hist_texts/wilde_soul.html

It'll save football uniforms from the ug, I promise...

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how my series of pics follows the actual chronology of events. Old people get drunk, we march into the stadium, march up and down, form the 'Power T' then march up and down some more and make that goofy ass hollow T for the team to run through. Playing through 107,000 screaming drunks isn't easy plus the pregame show is basically 15 minutes of speedwalking with limited chances to inhale and those uniforms are all made of wool. We had 6 days of solid rehearsal before the season started (before CLASSES started) to learn that shit. I always felt sorry for the people who couldn't memorize the songs, I only kept my lyre around for appearances and didn't even have copies of the music half the time.

I have played 'Rocky Top' over four thousand times at least.

I quit after my second year. Tee Martin and Peerless Price immediately went out and won the national championship.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

if you ever start a football thread i'm gonna flood it with Chomsky essays, i swear!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

See the funny thing is, people won't mind, the thread will stay on topic and not get hijacked because they WANT to talk about football, sports are interesting and it's something you can actually have a regular discussion about because there's not really any semantic arguments to be had.

Talking about your political ideology on ILX is 1. Hi this is the thread where you stereotype yourself horribly 2. oh and can we all misinterpret one another please and then argue about the language and the intent behind the language and oh isn't this your favorite thing in the world it's so much fun.

Vs. BOOYAH SKINS WIN AGAIN BITCHES

And that's all of my personal politics you folks need to know, I think.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Except I actually hate Steve Spurrier and the Redskins. Fuck them.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

And your views on figure skating homosexuals, TOMBOT?

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Or should I call you 'chomsky@sucks'?

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, adding to my other ideaologies, i am a pacifist (no i wont kill someone if they attack my family, i really dont care what you say about that either) and um, i am anti-gun, obv. um, pro-choice i guess, and i dont care if gay people get married, doesnt affect me. i guess that i dont care what people do as long as everyone gets a fair chance and doesnt hurt other people in the process.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, the expected dearth of right-wingers. I usually consider myself a wingles extremist (in that i believe as strongly in the abolition of the death penalty and the liberation of animals from vivisectionist labs as I do in the second ammendment and the overthrow of the federal government) but by ILX standards, I'm probably as right wing as it gets. Big fan of squatters, anarcho-punks and the like, but generally side with the militias on most things.

― roger adultery, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the topic of straight figure skating males is more interesting than gay ones. Why do it? Do they feel unmasculine? Is it to pick up chicks?

― Ally-zay, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm under the impression that they're all down on their luck hockey players teamed with stuck-up prima donnas because none of the gay guys would work with her. Then, under the watchful eye of their stern-but-sensitive coach, they learn to work together and engage in will-they-won't-they banter.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony, I kiss you.

― Ally-zay, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

how the hell did this turn into a college football thread?

― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

How did it take so long?

UT v. A&M exemplifies the cultural conflict in Texas, no?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, not really.

― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I find that it does, or did when I cared enough. The country-music afficionados and freaks who flew the battle flag were always A&M fans, the hippies and outsiders were fans of UT because Austin was I-Hate-the-Rest-of-Texas Mecca

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I for one could give a rat's ass about college football. I started rooting for the Packers when my mom finally explained to me why my family loves them so much: they're the only team in the the pros, as far as I know, that's actually owned by the citizens of its (tiny, isolated, industrial) town -- making their victories over teams like Dallas -- owned by big old asshole proprietors -- symbolic victories for the human spirit. Not to mention that QB Favre is a kind of philisopher-king within his sphere.

Yeah, I just called Dallas fans supply-siders and Bears fans failure worshippers; what of it?

Does sports fandom mesh somehow with political beliefs? Most people just root/vote for whoever their parents supported... others rebel... others think... sports being warlike, could they be an analogue to politics?

Or are people on this thread just having joke-arguments over sports because they don't feel unfriendly enough to pick at (most) ilxers' more serious beliefs?

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

ilxers' more serious beliefs?

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I for one could give a rat's ass about college football

I kiss you - mwah!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Obviously you didn't go to UT. While I agree your assessment of Austin's stereotype is correct and concede that not every UT football fan is like this (my own, country-music-afficionado-self included) rabid orangeblood sportsfreaks are usually conservative, Greek, white, Jerry Jeff Walker fans. . .hey just like A&M football fanatics!

― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom is the new jess!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Obviously you didn't go to UT.
No, thank God. (That's not to sound jealous, like "Oh, I didn't get it, so I'm glad..." - I wouldn't have lasted three minutes at a 50k strong campus.)

And I'm not talking about the actual UT fans or A&M fans - just their iconography in Texas.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

And I'm not talking about the actual UT fans or A&M fans - just their iconography in Texas.

Don't make me bust out the Ghettopoly thread!

― A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

goddamn tom your vols got fucking reamed last saturday

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm generally against stuff

― duane, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, I hate stuff, fhm, maxim, vice, all them fratmags

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i am a contextualist, operating within a socialist framework

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

pro-good! anti-bad! Abortions for some! Miniature American flags for others!

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha teeny!

"TS: Abortion vs A Miniature American flag"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Does that mean you give birth to flags? This is the weirdest image I've had in my head all day.

― Ally-zay, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, now you're talking smack about Stuff, too.

There will be blood, and not just goat blood.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Flag pills! Eat the pill and you shit out a flag!

(David Cross-inspired x-post)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I still sort've believe that the economic base determines, in the last instance, the social superstructure.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 16 October 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

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