Madame Bovary and Gustave Flaubert

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Just finished Madame Bovary for the first time and found it fantastic, particulary the characters. I love how even though several of the characters are "types" or even stereotypes, they are fleshed out and humanized enough that they become realistic and even likeable. Also enjoyed the sadness disguised behind Flaubert's cynicism. Think it's one of those books that works better for me because I read it by choice, not forced to read it in school at an age when I wouldn't have fully appreciated it. Thoughts from others on Madame Bovary?
Are any of Flaubert's other books worth reading? Recommendations? The only one I've seen here and there is "Salamba" (sic, that's from memory), but I have no clue what it's about or if it's any good.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I love "Sentimental Education." I've tried to read "Madame Bovary" twice, and, sadly, stopped reading at the same point (about midway through) both times. I don't think I've ever stopped reading a book like that before - I don't know why I'm unable to get through MB, given how much interesting stuff I've read about it and how generally interested I am in good books.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sentimental Education" is the consensus pick as his *other* essential novel. (There's also a set of stories called "Three Short Tales," or some such, comprised of "St. Julian The Hospitalier," "A Simple Heart" and one other.) I've never read Sallambo or The Temptation of Saint Anthony (the latter being the book he scrapped before beginning Madame Bovary,) but both indulge F's passion for the exotic, and I believe are a little less inclined towards the meticulous realism of MB.

Also worth reading--really engaging, as well as intriguing from a biographical point of view--are his letters, which are wonderfully translated in English by Francis Steegmuller in two volumes. Amazing for many reasons, not least for being wonderfully vigorous and raunchy: describes trips to Egyptian bathhouses etc.

Much as I love MB--and I do--I find it somewhat cold, and can understand (though I've read it three times) why someone would stall as Sam J describes. Brilliant sentences, great psychological detail, but his own cynicism, as you refer to it, holds me at arm's length. I'd go to Balzac (who's nowhere near as gifted a stylist, but shows greater vitality) or Stendhal even (who's funnier) first. And I'd choose George Eliot or Tolstoy over the lot, but that's another post.

M Specktor (M Specktor), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yeah, he's cynical and cold, and none of the characters are even really likeable (Charles Bovary comes closest, and even he's pretty dense and pathetic), but I still left with sympathy for Emma and Charles Bovary, in addition to many of the minor characters, despite Flaubert's intentions.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

This book's concluding scene is too violent and implicates French culture on the whole

J0hn Darn1omus (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Elaborate or be guillotined.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ive only read bovary (loved for its insight but found a bit storyish) and the george sand letters which are compulsively brilliant and i highly recommend

trife(at work), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i meant compulsively readable but they are brilliant

trife f3892yrt, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd skip Salammbo if I hadn't already read it - how pleasant and accurate would you expect a 19th Century person's view of Africa to be? - but Sentimental Education is great, and the Three Tales are good, bad and mad, and well worth reading.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

revive because one wonders what "a bit storyish" means

thom west (thom w), Thursday, 16 October 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
(too given to convention for a "realistic novel"?)

do we mean "cold" to mean lacking warmth, or lacking emotion? if the latter, i don't think it's appropriate (let's leave it for flaunting pomo witfucks smugly operating above the fray) - if it were, it wouldn't be a great novel. NA comes closer when he speaks of the sadness behind the cynicism, though i think the impelling emotion was disgust.

i fear i read a bad translation, and i'm sorry j0hn isn't here to explain his comment. i mean it does, but then it's supposed to, or isn't it? or is that the problem? and what exactly does he mean by "french culture" anyway hmm?

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:06 (twenty years ago)

Anyone care to comment on the "Don Quixote" thing?

Btw, I hear good things about the Steegmuller translation.

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago)

My friend began "Sentimental Education" because of the Sneaky Feelings album with the same name. He didn't finish it.

Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Sunday, 21 November 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago)

I found Sentimental Education a lot less conventionally enjoyable than Madame Bovary, but I suppose there's no avoiding that: the former winds up devoting a great deal of time to somewhat opaque political stuff, whereas the latter is straight-up non-stop shopping and adultery!

nabiscothingy, Monday, 22 November 2004 02:33 (twenty years ago)

I just read Madame Bovary for an Introduction to Modern World Literature class I'm taking this semester, and I absolutely hated it. If you did like it though, I'd recommend The Princesse de Cleves (sometimes spelled slightly differently due to translation), which is somewhat similar but a lot better. Older too.

Mickey, Monday, 22 November 2004 04:49 (twenty years ago)

"Bouvard and Pecuchet", his last (and unfinished) novel, is highly recommended.

RR (restandrec), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:00 (twenty years ago)

It's a few years since I read Madame Bovary (and I've read it twice, so I really should remember more about it than I do), but I've just finished Zola's Therese Raquin. Whilst Zola is far more gothic and gruesome and I was struck by the similarities, in terms of plot, but also with the idea of boredom and a feeling of being trapped and supressed as an (almost) excuse for anti-societal behavior and with the thing mentioned above of stereotypes cropping up and being fleshed out in realistic novels. I know very little about French lit. but could anyone tell me which came first and of the awareness of the first book the latter author would have had? (And do any of you agree with me?)

Anna (Anna), Monday, 22 November 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago)

I tried to read Sentimental Education after this thread but couldn't get into it.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Anna, Bovary came out ten years before Therese Raquin and Zola had certainly read it. Zola's intentions were utterly different from Flaubert's, but the results bore little resemblance to what he believed he was doing - that novel is part of his 27-novel Rougon-Macquart series, and he was doing a scientific study, a sociological examination of what happens when you put people with a genetic taint in every kind of French setting of the period. Obviously this has little to do with the intense and fiery novels he produced, which have zero value as any kind of scientific experiment.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Cor!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 09:31 (twenty years ago)

See, I should really read the preface sometimes, but I didn't want to ruin the ending. Reading the preface/ reading critism is for second readings. Thanks Martin.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:22 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Is there like a general word on the street on what people think of all the different translations? I've just started reading the penguin classics one.

kenchen, Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

that's the one i read, so i cant comment, other than to say that i enjoyed this book immensely. the first half is a bit meh, but it gradually builds and every page is better than the last.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Great! I reread Madame Bovary in March. This time around I was moved to tears by pathetic, lovelorn Charles Bovary.

I don't get the complaints that Flaubert is cynical (at least in this novel; Bouvard et Pechet is another matter), but he is almost ascetic in mercilessness. A lot like Robert Bresson actually.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

I read it in the Penguin English translation a couple of months ago, and just learnt that I'm going to be studying it (in French) next year. So I'll be able to say if it's a good translation then.

I liked the book a lot, but as always, I've forgotten it already. Thought the violence and ugliness of the ending was great though, I would've been so bored/disappointed if Emma had just "wilted away" or "died of heartbreak".

Les Liasons Dangereuses still 1000 times better though.

Cathy (Cathy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

I, too, want to read this but am frustrated by the huge amt of different translations. Which one is the most accurate/best/whatever??

limp bizkotti (Stevie D), Monday, 31 May 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

I mean fwiw I'm more into accuracy than "readability", so I'd rather have something rich and complex and maybe a bit "difficult" rather than something dumbed down and "easy".

limp bizkotti (Stevie D), Monday, 31 May 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)

i read the penguin classics/geoffrey wall edition, don't know about its accuracy but it had a lot of endnotes in it

harbl, Monday, 31 May 2010 21:44 (fifteen years ago)

I love "Sentimental Education." I've tried to read "Madame Bovary" twice, and, sadly, stopped reading at the same point (about midway through) both times. I don't think I've ever stopped reading a book like that before - I don't know why I'm unable to get through MB, given how much interesting stuff I've read about it and how generally interested I am in good books.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:27 PM (6 years ago)

this is funny because i love madame bovary but was reading sentimental education recently and wasn't interested in it so i stopped halfway through. could be i was reading it too slowly (i lose interest when i do that).

harbl, Monday, 31 May 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)

the geoffrey wall edition is very good, it was highly recommended by my prof who specializes in 19th century french literature

pokám0n (dyao), Monday, 31 May 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)

Everyone plz find a copy of "A Simple Heart" and read it before bed. Thanks.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 May 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

should i read this in french? i'm fluent but haven't read french lit in a while & feel like while ot1h it must be the best way to read him given his rep, otoh i'm like harbl & fear it'll take me too long & i'll lose interest. i guess i'm asking if either anyone has read it in french + in translation, or if people who have only read translations think it's good enough that i could risk spoiling it. read a bunch of balzac in translation this summer & felt kind of guilty, but also had a blast & was able to rip through it w/o googling words etc

flopson, Sunday, 11 November 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago)

give it a shot in french. you can always change your mind.

Aimless, Monday, 12 November 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

i really like paul de man's update of eleanor marx aveling's translation. should i also try lydia davis's.

très hip (Treeship), Friday, 28 March 2014 05:42 (eleven years ago)

:-(

très hip (Treeship), Friday, 28 March 2014 18:47 (eleven years ago)


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