What did you think of Portillo as a single mother?

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When it started, i thought ho hum this is a bit formulaic, but it ended up being interesting and moving. Not so much from what Portillo did or said (kind of predictable - I already believe in his transformation and think he's OK and wish he was Tory leader so that the bigots would get trampled on and Labour would have a proper opposition). More from the way the mother Jenny and the kids' dealt with it. I loved the way she sat there intently watching, polite but determined not to let him get an easy ride. And that she had the guts to say it to his face. The defensive love for her kids that shone through her gritted teeth, esp. during the reading scene made my heart ache. And I was glad that the director allowed the kids to deflate any pat resolution to the project by showing them not saying goodbye properly as the final scene.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought he did a pretty good job, especially considering he had no prior experience with children of his own. My respect for him was increased enormously. But is that all it was...a tiny part in a long game of trying to become PM? He seemed sincere I thought.

David (David), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved that "Do you have children?" moment at Asda where he looked uncomfortable, as though worried what was coming next.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't think there was much discomfort at that point. That was what impressed me most - he seemed relatively relaxed and 'un-Tory' in his rapport with people. The 'I'm buying chicken' response to the question 'what are you doing here?' in the butchers shop was one of a string of nicely timed little comments.

David (David), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

What are you people talking about?

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

A BBC TV programme tonight about Michael Portillo (a Tory politician previously thought to be lacking in compassion for the poor) taking on the role, for a week, of a single mother of four children in a working class area of Liverpool.

David (David), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a tv programme. not having a tv, i forgot this, and was very freaked out by the thread title for a second or two.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I was just projecting my own discomfort.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

World's worst TV critic completely misses the point again.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

for s1utsky: Portillo it should be noted is the repressed gay son of a socialist spanish civil war hero and poet, who for most of the 90s was on the far bigoted right of the conservative party.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Shame it wasn't John Redwood.

Freedom Dupont, Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I really enjoyed this & i thought he did really well.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever his politics, portillo is a *natural* on telly. i did enjoy this last night although there wasn't really any kind of transformation within P, i think there was certainly a better understanding of living on tuppence ha'penny. perhaps it might have been better with a politician who *was* a parent, because about tow-thirds of the show was "posh middle-aged dinky tries to deal with kids" rather than dealing with the poverty aspect...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't it bit dangerous giving so much airtime to a future party leader? He reminds me of De Gaulle in the 50s who claimed he had no designs on power (in his many radio interviews) but would be ready if called upon.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 October 2003 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I was completely engrossed by the programme. My thoughts:

Nice ASDA cap.

The eldest daughter evidently had a crush on him.

The one glaring question missing at the end of the programme was "Mr Portillo, how has this affected your beliefs and how will it affect your policies?"

The mum's reaction to the reading scene, I think, was influenced not only by her protective feelings as a mother, but also by her background in early childhood education - she'll have a good understanding of the psychology involved, whereas many parents may not. The way he handled the reading reminded me of my Dad, who'd make us recite times tables on long car journeys and reach round to pinch our legs if we got fed up and started misbehaving. Cornering isn't an unusual parental tactic to some of us (wry smile).

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 16 October 2003 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, was he ironing knickers there?

Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 16 October 2003 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep!!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 16 October 2003 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Portillo is fun to watch on television but that doesn't mean he should ever, ever run things!

The mum was also annoyed because he was dividing his attention during the reading lesson, but it did strike me that he might have been put through that style of teaching himself. I really liked her commentary throughout. But OMG the littlest girl was FERAL; I had to babysit a kid like that once and had to resign because it would do things like affix self to fridge and howl when you tried to detach it from fridge to get it to bed.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Portillo has given up wanting to be Tory Party leader for enjoying being a TV celeb pundit (with potentially more power....) I reckon.

This was Tom's idea not mine.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think the tory party is ready for unmarried, wink wink, man.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Portillo has given up wanting to be Tory Party leader for enjoying being a TV celeb pundit (with potentially more power....) I reckon.

We could easily have a TV leader. De Gaulle sort of tried this too, by appealing 'over the heads' of [French equiv. to parliament] 'direct' to the people via the (then v new) mass media. I doubt it's out of the question, since it sure won't be Ken Clarke or David 'who he' Davis.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

But OMG the littlest girl was FERAL
Suzy you are definitely otm here, she was a complete nitemare.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard yesterday somewhere that there are plans for a Who Wants To Be An MP reality TV show, competition for people which will then be backed in a by-election (I assume this might have to be done in retrospect due to TV campaigning time rules). COuld be very interesting.

Ed, no point nudge nudging when you have alrady made the claim up thread. Portillo's lawyers are ready.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

he's running for power by stealth - haha in the wide total open also - and rebuilding his party by stealth in the wide open also: long-game he is outflanking his tory "colleagues" (and all the reactionary activists and the entire tory system) AND BLAIR ALSO

this is v.smart indeed: he proved himself leagues more media-savvy (and culturally daring) than any other politician (of any party) currently operating

gUesswork prediction/provocation's: MP's relationship to thatcher may turn out to be like blair's to tony benn: the older politician did the bulk of the work of destroying the old-skool party; the younger politician arrives, realises how much he can now dispense with, dispenses with it AND CLEANS UP

bah we live in interesting times >:(

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, that's eeentereessssting.

Pete, since Portillo has already outed his University self, not much of a case there. Friend who is financial journalist and gay boy used to make great sport of going down to Carlton Club with other mates and engaging in flirtatious banter with MP, who very much enjoyed the thrust of his chats with my friend. But never 'bit', as it were, even though friend looks like cross btwn Jude Law and Charlie Sexton with a dash of Adam Ant (as was).

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think the tory party is ready for unmarried, wink wink, man.

Yeah, look how much esteem Ted Heath is held in.

Difficult to believe he's the same guy who everyone cheered at when he lost his seat. Maybe it was a genuine life changing moment for him, as he's reivented himself as a sensitive, wry champion of liberalism within the party. How much is genuine or not, I don't know, but's it's certainly a convincing act which I suppose in the end is what counts in persuading the electorate. I wonder if he's likely to remain a tory, especially in their parlous state, or perhaps do a David Owen, except drifting leftwards rather than rightwards.

Anyway the big question is whether Diane Abbot is going to cop off with him or not on the Politics show. Short of climbing on top of him I don't see how she could get any closer to him, could be the push needed to convert him to a red-blooded socialist..

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but look where david owen ended up*: portillo's best hope is with the (not-yet-visible-or-imagined) Nu-Tory Party... and if blair is the gladstone of our age, then portillo can be the disraeli**!! w.one-nation reality TV instead of one-nation novels of social manners, and being not-quite-gay instead of being formerly-jewish!!

*(i am no fan of the late roy jenkins but his bile-filled comments on owen in a recent bbc2 documentary abt the life of woy were TREMENDOUSLY HILARIOUS AND VENOMOUS, not to mention well-deserved...)

**(where my theory falls down: no political equivalent of queen victoria, EXCEPT WAIT!! paging DAVINA McCALL!!)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, what you said articulates what was going through my mind and what I hinted at in my original comment. Blair obviously pioneered the populist 'in touch with modern Britain' approach but he's not a natural. He always looks as if he's scared he might make a fool of himself. He would never have dared go into a situation like that (even before he became PM). I think Portillo could connect perfectly with the unaffiliated electorate who have up until now liked Blair, but the party rump (rank and file membership more than the hierarchy) is the real stumbling block. But perhaps they could be allowed to wither on the vine and gradually be swept out by a new kind of party member. Am I right that individual members' subscriptions aren't vital in the greater scheme of Conservative Party finances?

Re. Portillo drifting into alignment with other parties. Unlike a back-bencher jumping ships he would be regarded as still tainted because he was a Tory cabinet minister.

David (David), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you're both right. Portillo jumping ships seems pretty unlikely for thoses reasons. Tony Benn was quoted as saying that he knew all along that Owen was a tory. I doubt if anyone who was a cabinet minister in the early 90's doubted Portillo's right wing cred.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Another point worth mentioning is that Young Portillo was an old-skool Harold Wilson-admiring socialist who was converted to Toryism at university. So he's nothing if not adaptable...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

haha yes yr right, Matt, even if the phrase "old-skool" is doing a lot of interesting work in that phrase!

Wilson was of course a very extremely deft user of modern media in his day

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Tony Benn was quoted as saying that he knew all along that Owen was a tory.

He shd bloody know, the old fraud.

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Reson to go into politics though can be insecure popularity contest. Having been burnt (losing seat to the insuferably smug and personally career damaging Stephen Twigg) and does not want to do it it again. Instead, on TV he has found that he can be loved, funny and seen as having more weight than many due to his leader in waitingness. What do his constituents feel about his media jobs?

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

As he's MP for Kensington and Chelsea I'd guess a few of them helped him with his media dalliance.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Given that it's Chelsea and Kensington... I can imagine they're up in arms about the poor quality schools, crumbling infrastructure, erm, hang on...

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mcspotlight.org/issues/capitalism/portillo.jpg

Thought our American chums could use this superb visual aid.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 16 October 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the review (see link above) was pretty fair, close to spot-on.

I think you could safely say Portillo seems a nice chap but very easily lead (by older child), and tends to dogmatic (when v's the younger one).

Not good qualities for PM, I would add....

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 October 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Given that it's Chelsea and Kensington... I'd have thought most of them are too posh to watch TV.

Mark:

I said the reviewer totally missed the point because he was hung up on the idea of the programme as results-based social research. He practically ignores the family, misrepresents their attitudes, and manages to both sentimentalise them ('the honest poor') and insult them ('scally'). As I said above, it was the way they coped with the week that was most interesting to me.

Portillo, you see, is a chastened Thatcherite who has spent the past half-dozen difficult years discovering the world. You know the kind of thing. "And what are these? 'Bus-es'? Super. And this is 'pov-er-tee'? Fascinating. Is there a waiting list?"

Yeah yeah - you get the feeling he'd prefer Thatcherites to stay the way they are, so he doesn't have to treat them as people that might be worth understanding, but can just carry on hating the immutable enemy.

does anyone truly care whether a reformed scourge of the feckless understands reality?

Well since you ask, yes, especially if they might be in power again someday.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 16 October 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew Parris did a similar prog some years ago - Thatcherite Tory spends a week as a prole and realises that it is not all one big benefit fraud frolic - and of course Parris is also a gay man who now makes a tidy sum as a media/political pundit.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mcspotlight.org/issues/capitalism/portillo.jpg

i'm lovin' it.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 16 October 2003 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
i'm not too big to admit that i wz COMPLETELY RIGHT JUST YOU WAIT!

(er...)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed this show (and this thread) and I'd loved to have seen it not least because Wallasey (it's not an area of Liverpool, btw, but over the river where they now have nice, posh Chester postcodes) is where I grew up. We didn't have an aircraft hangar of an Asda then, of course. They should've made him work in the Kwik Save on Poulton Road for me-specific 70s authenticity.

I don't suppose anyone would've been mad enough to tape it/keep it this long? I can swap Richard Rorty/Caetano Veloso docs for it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 8 November 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

is that the tape where rorty takes on the role of legendary brazilian music-maker for six weeks?

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 8 November 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Portillo has given up wanting to be Tory Party leader for enjoying being a TV celeb pundit (with potentially more power....) I reckon.
This was Tom's idea not mine.

-- Pete (pb1...), October 16th, 2003 12:21 PM.

Indeed he has!

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 8 November 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark: Yep - first sticking point: Veloso's memoir Tropical Truth. Rorty took to subtitling it Caipirinha and Contingency at signing sessions.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 8 November 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd always assumed that the "softening" of Portillo was a gigantic cynical piece of spin - now I'm not so sure.

Where do you reckon he'll go from here? A full-on career sticking the knives into all and sundry on Newsnight? Or will he be squatting in the jungle with Ant and Dec by May?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 8 November 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe he'll be on pick-the-next-monarch big brother!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 8 November 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

KITTEN IN GLASS MUST WIN!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 8 November 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

If you're not, you really should turn on BBC2 now and watch Michael Portillo trying to kill himself.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:45 (seventeen years ago)

Great TV, they need to do an occasional series and bring Jeffrey Archer to the verge of death next time

The pro-death penalty guy at the end was an astonishing cunt in the minute of screen time he got

That mong guy that's shit, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)

, for some reason

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 22:10 (seventeen years ago)


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