semi surreal casual racism - dud, or dud and it does yer fukcing head in a bit as well?

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i am in this little shop this morning, buying something. The female half of the couple who own said shop is serving me. There is a beep from outside, like as in car horn. The womyn says to me, in a sort-of resigned voice - "they want it all their own way, don't they. They just want everybody to get out of their way". I had no idea what she was on about until she elaborated "the pak!s". The husband comes in. It turns out that he has parked his car across a lane entrance, and the (anglo-asian) driver of another car has beeped his horn at him, because he'd rather he moved out of the way than reverse down a narrow and twisting lane. In the minds of the people from the shop, this is because he is a "p/-\ki", to use their term. I was kind of freaked out by this, and all I could think of say was "i don't think race is a factor in how good a driver you are". I know that at nearly 40 I should be able to tune stupidity like this out, but it annoys me, and in this instance, the sheer incongruity of it sort of threw me a bit. Sorry, I know I've gone on about stuff like this before, but it bothers me a bit. The casual nature of it, the illogic, and the fact that they assumed b/c i'm white, that i'd agree with them perhaps? How many people think similar stuff? These people aren't even old. They lost a customer to-day, anyway.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

word.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this a common thing up-Northernwards? I remember being shocked, the first time that we played Manchester, we went to a chippie down the street after the gig, which seemed to be run/staffed by Asians. As we were waiting for our chips, this gaggle of young men came in, and, as they were ordering, just let loose this barage of racist bile. The counterstaff seemed to just ignore them, as if this were the sort of thing that just happened every day, didn't try to chuck them out of the shop or anything. We didn't know what to do. On one hand, we just felt this cringing embarrassment, but on the other hand, the lads were obviously very drunk and we didn't want to get our heads kicked in for saying "oi, mate, you're out of order". It was very very strange.

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not that common, except with older people in my experience. We don't get much in the way of organised racism, for example. obviously things are different in the north west, and parts of yorkshire that are in the news. as a kind of counter-example, the only place i've seen hardcore skinheads in racist/fascist regalia was in london (albeit abt 10 yrs ago)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, no. First of all, you're 40 and you still spell 'woman' with a Y. gimme a break. It's 'W-O-M-A-N.'Second, these exact sort of liberal knee-jerk responses to what you call racism is ruining this country more than racism itself. Of course your waitress was ignorant, but do you really think your self righteous expression of white guilt is going to have the slightest effect on her? She'll just think you're an insufferable asshole and go on believing what she was conditioned to believe, as you go on to believe what YOU were conditioned to believe. Get over yourself.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

attitudes like the woman in the shop's need to be challenged as they are lazy, ignorant and misguided. i have no problem with pashmina raising it as an issue here.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"liberal response to racism worse than racism?"

"waitress?"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really get roger's point. She might well think he's an insuferrable asshole, but the more people refuse to go along with her, the more she thinks it's normal plain speaking. She'd probably be surprised by how many of her customers find her hatred repugnant. And thick as she might be, she's surely going to catch on if she never sees those people back in her shop.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally disagree with roger, who be on da pipe this morning by the looks of things. Or angry trucker speed, who knows? Norman (ooh Norman, he called you a LIBERAL! Duck and cover!) completely right to tell them off, just as I was right to tell off the woman who ran the lettings agency in New York and was whining about towelheads (post Gulf War I) while she waited for me to sign paperwork and hand over $150 registration fee. She's still fucking waiting. I will not support small business owners who I hear using racist language, and I have a lot of friends who take the same action.

There are two ways racists stop being racists: they meet someone of another race that they bond with and get over it, or they DIE.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with N and suzy but also harbour a dislike of the word 'womyn' which to be honest is fairly irrelevant to the discussion so i'm not sure why it was brought up

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Pash uses a lot of odd spellings, I don't see anyone complaining about those.

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I use womyn for the same reason i use ov or thee. i just like odd spellings.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

'the more she thinks it's normal plain speaking' should read 'the less she thinks it's normal plain speaking', sense fans.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing to do with TOPY, Norman?

If you're white prole scum wearing this season's shoulder-chip, I don't really care about hurting your feelings or making you feel like I'm some kind of asshole because I've had the audacity to correct your lunatic ravings in public. Plus, you're also giving me a free portion of misogyny with your racism because you will inevitably be pissed off because SOME GURL has corrected you in front of your equally stupid mates. Also when I hear 'Pak!' as a term of abuse, I've often asked the person what part of Pakistan the object of the insult is from. They are often stumped, especially if the answer is actually India or Somers Town or something. Also popular around Brick Lane: 'actually Bangladesh hasn't been called East Pakistan since '71, you knob. Get over yourself.'

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

e, er i used to be a bit of a ptv fan in the past, yes.

the term "white liberal guilt" is a great signifier, isn't it? out of the three words, only the first applies to me. I don't feel guilty because someone else who happens to share skin pigmentation w/me acts stupid. Not ever, I just feel annoyed because a/stupidity is annoying and b/said person is taking me into their confidence b/c they think i share their views about this MERELY BECAUSE I SHARE THEIR BLOODY SKIN PIGMENTATION.

Plus, what is this littlejohnish b/s world where complaining abt racists is actually worse than racism? That's fucking insane, that is.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I'm going to be devil's advocate for a while...

Plus, what is this littlejohnish b/s world where complaining abt racists is actually worse than racism?

Not necessarily the same thing, but it can be just as bad.

When I was about nine or ten, one of the other mothers of the class decided to forbid her daughter from playing with me or going to my house because "Kate's parents are South African. That means that they are racist." The *assumption* that my family were racist due to their former nationality was a racist assumption.

That said, I think you *can* assume that someone using racial slurs *is* probably a racist. So my little story does not apply in this case... Anyway!

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

if someone is assuming you want to listen to their racist babble, you should assume they are open to correction.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If they give their opinion, you should be able to give yours.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking hell, Kate: I thought they left SA because they didn't like apartheid all that much.

Apparently according to l'Etranger here, nobody likes a complainer, Norman, it totally fucks with the status quo.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

well that used to annoy me in the '80's, where there was this indie rekkid called "we hate all you white south african bastards" or something like that, and it always struck me as one of the dumbest soundbites, like, ever.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

funnily enough calum raised a similar point to pashmina's a while back when he mentioned how incensed he felt that a fellow white Scotsman was making dubious remarks about Jewish people expecting our dearly departed pet fiend to agree, which he didn't, of course.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The irony being that my parents said that the racism they saw in Fairfield County, CT - where these remarks were made - was possibly worse in some aspects than the racism they were fleeing in SA.

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Norman that record was by Microdisney and you're not the first person I've seen remembering the word "white" in the title when it wasn't there. It seem to happen fairly often, which is interesting (to me, at least).

Kate: in what aspects was it worse?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

what a relief to know Microdisney only discriminate against nationalitites and not actual races...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't know you were familiar with Microdisney's work, stevem.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I know what Kate means about posh WASP enclaves with their covenants and tendency toward having 'service' provided by brown persons on reverse commute. But there are TONS of places like this.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched the fabulous "Stone Tape" the other day (a ghost story by the guy that wrote Quatermass etc). It's about a bunch of electronics boffins trying to steal a march on "the japs" and at one point there is a buttock-clenchingly awful "impression" when a guy puts some white paper in his upper lip to look like giant white upper-teeth and guffs out a stream of engrish-type hilarity.

It was originally broadcast in 72 and is thankfully over very quickly, but it does annoy, when it's totally incidental to the story which is otherwise masterfully told and had me quite goosebumpy at the start of the final sequence.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

err Microdisney's first LP was called "Everyone Is Fantastic" and I don't think we were supposed to take that title uncritically either.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Everybody Is Fantastic", pedantry fans.

Also when WHYSAB was reissued on Creation, it was called "Love Your Enemies", similarly irony-riddled.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a problem with this at work, the problem being when people say stupid racist shit I can't really do anything about it because it's a small office and I have to work with these people every day, and most of them have been here longer than me. We were talking about Mexican restaurants last week, and this girl (who is about my age, she's 26) said, "I just can't go in those places anymore, because of the dirty Mexicans." She's constantly talking about the "dirty Mexicans" in her apartment complex too. She says it in front of the boss and everyone else in the company. And she's part Latino too, which makes it weirder to me, though I guess a lot of Latin Americans and South Americans look down on Mexicans.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The first example I remember of the shockingness of CT racism (obviously this is filtered through a child's reccollections) was that our boy scout troup (which my mum ran) had two black children in it, even though they lived way across town. Why couldn't they just join a scout troup closer to home? Apparently, none of the other mothers would *have* black kids in their scout troups.

OK, this individual example is not "worse than South Africa" on a scale of racism, but it was just such shocking to see racism applied on a social and economic scale the same as if it were institutionalised. Having racism out in the open makes it much easier to fight or combat. Having covert and hypocritical racism seems just so much more insidious.

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Microdisney, yes! I actually typed out the correct title, but added the "white", b/c i thought i must be remembering it wrong. My memory says microdisney were pretty good, though it's been a long time since I heard them. The record title seemed dumb at the time, though perhaps there was irony there that sails/sailed right over my head.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

white prole scum

mmmm, this kind of middle-class elitism is barely better than racism or misogyny. i am the aforementioned "prole scum" and am pretty offended by this - anyhow, i´m on a deadline so am not going to get too deep into this.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

meaning to say not all "proles" = "scum"
some of us are pretty clever, reasonable people...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger - what the fuck are you on? 'Ruining this country'. This kind of language has peculiar resonances.

I know that at nearly 40 I should be able to tune stupidity like this out

Absolutely not - the sooner everyone calls racists what they are the better.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty happy to classify my mum and sis as white prole scum if they are being racist, which they have been on many occasions.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

obviously racism should be called out every time it´s heard (imho, preferably accompanied by a swift kick to the knackers or poke on the nose) and roger has clearly gone strak raving mental, but i do get a bit ticked off that it´s considered totally acceptable to voice one´s class prejudices, particularly in the context of a thread about how repellent other forms of bigotry are.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Stelfox- I agree.

I don't understand the association you're making between class and racism. Some 'proles' -- and I've heard that used with such hate that it can never for me be 'descriptive -- are racist; but so are many of the middle class, even if they don't use racist language.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Suzy - but why PROLE scum? Why bring the class thing into it at all?

Does 'prole' ever get used except as a derogatory term for working-class people?

(xpost with Enrique)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Are said persons scum because they are proles, or scum because they are racist? Or is the assumption (bad assumption!) that proles are necessarily racists?

Argh.

It is Friday afternoon, I still have a residual hangover, and we're talking about racism, classism and sexism. TOO HEAVY!!! TOO HEAVY!!!

I'm off to go hang out on the crush threads or something. Nigel, save me.

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The 'prole scum' is typical of suzy, unfortunately. I don't know why she does it. I guess in her mind you're only a prole if you act in scummy ways, but I don't really think you can drop the class-based meaning of the word just like that.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In the same way there's some good ol' black boys who aint niggers.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly: the words "white" and "scum" aint at issue here as both are correct. however, using "prole" as a perjorative is pretty problematic. then again, working in the media in london, it´s easy to forget that working-class people exist, have a voice or are capable of the slightest modicum of intelligence (unless that´s your background).

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

< / stelfox´s class war >

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Prole" is the opposite of "elitist"? ;)

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, the only time we see Proles round Bloomsbury/Clerkenwell area is when we're hunting them! With foxes!

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(I shd say that as a northern prole myself {though i prefer peasant} i don't have a problem w/suzy's use of the term. I know what she's on about) apropos of nothing, except perhaps as a datum or something.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(+++ sorry for k-heaviness k8! all i did was report on s.th that annoyed me this a m and how it made me feel, and look what happened!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

N - funny, i was going to mention Chris Rock's skit about 'you got the black people...then you got the niggers'

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(Soz, is OK, Pash, it's not so much this thread that got my goat as the "equal pay" thread and the whole "oh, it's OK to have pay disparities between the genders because women don't work as hard or as long as men, what with them all running off and having babies, I mean, lifestyle choices" argument, but maybe I'm being oversensitive cause, like, it might be My Time Of The Month or maybe my biological clock is ticking or summit...)

― kate (kate), Friday, 17 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

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It's right there in the name and everything.

― nabisco, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 17:29 (seventeen years ago)

Cherokees hating omelettes is such an outdated stereotype

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 18:18 (seventeen years ago)

Roger still posts here BTW. I bought his new(ish) band's album yesterday, it's pretty good

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)

what about that crazy Italian judge, who recently ruled that it was OK to incite hatred against the Roma, as he reckons they are all thieves?

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 13:44 (seventeen years ago)

lol 'hong kong garden' on bbc beijing olympic coverage

― DG, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:05 (seventeen years ago)

http://freep.com/uploads/images/2008/07/saggychart0709.jpg

― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:51 (seventeen years ago)

lol at disorderly contact

what about wearing shorts with no draws

― and what, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:52 (seventeen years ago)

I want ZS to animate that graphic.

― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:53 (seventeen years ago)

dude in graphic is son of
http://thingsgodtaughtme.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/mr-freeze.jpg

― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:55 (seventeen years ago)

lol 'hong kong garden' on bbc beijing olympic coverage

wait waht, lol

― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)

Dude, they'll be breaking out "Mr Wu Is a Window Cleaner Now" by the time the games actually start.

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:05 (seventeen years ago)

^^^

yeah, that's a real OMGWTF post there!

― Eisbaer, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:05 (seventeen years ago)

JOrdan, more like:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/TheBraxcave/DrManhattan.jpg

Which explains why he needs the boxers.

― Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:06 (seventeen years ago)

MLS player explaining the on-field actions of another MLS player:

"He gets away with a lot of stuff because he's Blanco and he's from Mexico and he's a big name. But he can't do that stuff to any of my teammates.""

― dan m, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:08 (seventeen years ago)

COMEDY!
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

With video! http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6953163&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

― forksclovetofu, Friday, 11 July 2008 19:08 (seventeen years ago)

that's got to be one of the stupidest stories I've ever heard. If the idiot commissioner and the judge don't know that that term has absolutely no racial ramifications, then they're fucking idiots.

― Bill Magill, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:40 (seventeen years ago)

bogglin' at comparison of "black hole" to "jewing someone"

― bernard snowy, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:49 (seventeen years ago)

I think this was posted on the Uncle Tom thread? At any rate, oh how I want to shake these guys.

― HI DERE, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:51 (seventeen years ago)

Price needs to learn the difference between a "black hole" and a "black a-hole"...the former is a figure of speech; the latter describes jerks like him.

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

Typical black reaction. You have to ask yourself - are these people REALLY that stupid. Unfortunately, the answer is yes, they REALLY are that stupid.

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

What happened to Dallas? Did they hire refugees from New Orleans to run the city?

No wonder the song "God Bless Texas" is so popular. The state needs all the help it can get, from anyone, including the big boss.

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

My goodness, it seems that Mr. Price needs sum edumacation vout the compression and densifications of stellar ojcectifacations. Go back to schoo; bozo and try this time to pass 5th grade science instead of making a career avout demonizing whitey

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:56 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, there's idiocy enough to go around for everyone on that link.

― forksclovetofu, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:56 (seventeen years ago)

It seems our Creator was very niggardly when handing out brains to Price and Jones.

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:56 (seventeen years ago)

Casual Anti-Semitism: Was eating at a local Indian spot recently and got to chatting with the owner (it was a slow afternoon for them). A really nice, funny guy. Talk of the upcoming US Elections. He: "Obama won't win. You know why? Because the Jews won't let him win." I didn't know what to say. It spilled out of his mouth as simply as if he had said, " You know why I own a restaurant? Because I like to serve food." Needless to say, I've found it impossible to go back.

― Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

"You should all feel so famous for electing these Bozo's"

Their brothas elected them. But then what would you have excpected. These same jokers also fawn over Obama as if he were The New Messiah, coming to save the world.

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

Face it, the one's that got shipped over from Africa weren't the Albert Einsteins. Look at the gene pool in this country. They were living in the jungle with stone tools. The smart ones caught the slow ones and sent them over. They were selected for hard work. There are some smart "black" people, sure. But not the rule. More cross breeding will help.

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:58 (seventeen years ago)

John Wiley Price says dumb things a lot, but I still kind of like him. The worst part of his occasional misplaced outrage is the inevitable response from white talk radio hosts and columnists.

― milo z, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:59 (seventeen years ago)

when barack obomba is president
this stuff will seem mild
get ready for war, white folks
the 3rd world is upon you

― and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:59 (seventeen years ago)

its really bizarre that two black guys in dallas would be so responsive to the possibility of racism in casual speech

― max, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:00 (seventeen years ago)

After reading those comments I kind of can't wait for the inevitable white race riot.

― HI DERE, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:01 (seventeen years ago)

Can someone remind me what Roger's real name was? I have this fear that I might one day wind up writing/talking about his music without remembering which one is him.

-- nabisco, Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:36 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.media.wmg-is.com/media/portal/media/cms/images/200807/waiting-in-vain--cover-art-large_1214935958225.jpg

― jaymc, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:05 (seventeen years ago)

lol ezra pound

― Just got offed, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:06 (seventeen years ago)

that's got to be one of the stupidest stories I've ever heard. If the idiot commissioner and the judge don't know that that term has absolutely no racial ramifications, then they're fucking idiots.

-- Bill Magill, Friday, July 11, 2008 3:40 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

good time to take a self-righteous stand!

― deej, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:12 (seventeen years ago)

"self righteous" -great call

― Bill Magill, Sunday, 13 July 2008 15:34 (seventeen years ago)

god if this keeps up ilx is going to turn into a whore

― max, Sunday, 13 July 2008 15:54 (seventeen years ago)

i mean hole, a black hole

― max, Sunday, 13 July 2008 15:54 (seventeen years ago)

ILX has turned into a singularity whence even light may not escape.

― libcrypt, Sunday, 13 July 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)

woops yeah i just meant regular-righteous
good catch!

― deej, Sunday, 13 July 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

Casual Anti-Semitism: Was eating at a local Indian spot recently and got to chatting with the owner (it was a slow afternoon for them). A really nice, funny guy. Talk of the upcoming US Elections. He: "Obama won't win. You know why? Because the Jews won't let him win." I didn't know what to say. It spilled out of his mouth as simply as if he had said, " You know why I own a restaurant? Because I like to serve food." Needless to say, I've found it impossible to go back.
-- Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:57 (2 days ago) Link

After some of the tactics the Clinton campaign tried in the primary, this is not an unreasonable point, but should be qualified as "Israel lobby". Of course, that's probably not precisely what he meant.

Most frustrating thing about the "black hole" video clip is that the anchors were too cowed to inject an explicit opinion or to state the objective fact that there is no nor has there ever been a racial connotation to that term.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Sunday, 13 July 2008 17:02 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2008/08/15/460Spain_gesture.jpg

you'd think they might've heard of this thing called 'the internet'

― DG, Saturday, 16 August 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

andre agassi?

― darraghmac, Saturday, 16 August 2008 15:23 (seventeen years ago)

no - chinese people, i think?

― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 16 August 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/aug/15/olympics2008.olympicstennis

― DG, Saturday, 16 August 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)

Racism in spain

― deej, Saturday, 16 August 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

So the racism in Spain falls mainly on the plain?

-- jaymc (jaymc), Monday, February 27, 2006 12:41 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

― deej, Saturday, 16 August 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

It's seriously weird, the Spanish thing. A few weeks ago I was DJing at our night and I went to the bathroom, which is unisex, where there's a bathroom attendant guy, Simon, who is black. A Spanish guy and his girlfriend were ahead of me in the queue and as if out of boredom they started kind of taunting him and riling him and going "Africa, Africa......" etc.

Was just the most bizarre and fucking nasty racism from people who looked like students, I felt so angry I ended up telling the bouncer, who kicked them out.

-- Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:14 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

proto HOOS

― deej, Saturday, 16 August 2008 17:05 (seventeen years ago)

jk but seriously what the fuck is up with Spain

― deej, Saturday, 16 August 2008 17:07 (seventeen years ago)

twelve years pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eim29tQWAAEryRx?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:01 (four years ago)

not a joke. i took that screenshot. you can try it yourself.

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:01 (four years ago)

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