Come Anticipate Kill Bill Vol. 2 With Me (now contains spoilers)

It's here iF you need it.

Now. I asked elsewhere, but it's for work and important: I ened films that have 'ooh, am I human?' type dilemmas (I don't know why I needed to channel David Brent there).

Ball rolling: Bladerunner, 2001, Planet of the Apes...

I think it is imperative that you go see this movie with as open a mind as you can, and soon, too.

I really agree with you, and in fact vol. 2 is supposedly even more of a meditation on revenge. BUT i think the problem comes from the fact that we are whooping it up and having fun watching all this carnage and then supposed to think "wow revenge is bad." Doesn't compute.

(I should stress i really liked the movie but i want to acknowledge that i have mixed feelings about the morality of it.)

it seems to hint towards De Palma-esque suspense films in vol. 1 but i could be wrong.

Wha? Can there be such a thing? Like, 'Bootleg Beatles-esque'?

apart from the pacing, i agree that the film is extremely impressive.

x-post: i only said that because of the split screen really! did hitch ever use split screen?

Looking back I did a terrible job through poor wording. It was terrible that I implied that the Jewishness of studio executives has anything whatsoever to do with awful movies like Kill Bill. Nothing about Eisner or Weinstein causes any movie to be bad or awful; they're just supervisors. For all I know neither of them even focused on the adoration-of-violence aspect until the reviews came out. My attempt to connect my perfectly justified horror at an ugly and corrupting movie to the religious faith and ethnic identity of certain executives was hopelessly clumsy.

apparently this caused a big furor!

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Now I know.

and let's hope the revelation that the bride's child is still alive doesn't mean there's a smart-alecky precocious kid. or that she doesn't end up killing bill to save him/her.

Finally I'm vindicated.

(xp)

Chair-fu! Training Montage! Swords, Swords, Swords!

But that sounds fantastic!

Saw both in a theater earlier this year and yeah they’re still really sharp. 4 hours flew by

yea these are fun

yeah the gradual filling in of details and the constant genre-jumping keep it from ever really losing momentum, and Uma is fantastic in the lead role, just the right mixture of anger and sadness and humor

several great, funny bit parts too - Chiba and his sidekick arguing in the sushi shop, the strip club manager,

Some smart editing could have gotten these down to a long, but more concise single film. There are many sequences in both (pt 1 more than pt 2 though) that I love, but also many that are just too long or unnecessary. The final scenes with Bill are my least favorite as they get utterly bogged down with QT dialoguing and forget about action altogether.

tbh these are the last tarantino movies i've watched i think...

oh wait i saw death proof which was very bad

you should see Inglorious Basterds, it's his best

yea i think i got kind of turned off by death proof but i should really watch the last three

One (two) of those movies I watch from whatever point I come across it on TV.

The final scenes with Bill are my least favorite as they get utterly bogged down with QT dialoguing and forget about action altogether.

the very last sequence where he shoots her with the truth serum is def padded (there's no reason for that whole Superman speech) but Uma's responses to his questions are genuinely affecting imo, and when his ultimate excuse is "I overreacted" and she resorts to her "we have unfinished business" line (which she used on the others and clearly indicates she's made up her mind to kill him) is very good.

but i should really watch the last three

the last two suck, don't bother

Watch Django up until Christoph Waltz says "Alexander Dumas was black" and (SPOILER REDACTED), then shut it off.

Last two not remotely worth their combined runtime, even from a completist's vantage.

Hope that someday he makes something as good as these and Inglorious Basterds again.

I don't see how you could pare these down into a single 2.5 / 3 hour film. Vol. 2 is essentially 3 or 4 long scenes. Even if you ditch the padding in some of those scenes (Superman speech), you're still looking at a 3.5+ hour movie.

vol. 2 as i remember it is basically Budd -> Pai Mei -> Elle -> Bill

you should see Inglorious Basterds, it's his best

ehhhhhhhh Jackie Brown is his best but IB is a very close second.

Watch Django up until Christoph Waltz says "Alexander Dumas was black" and (SPOILER REDACTED), then shut it off.

This is good advice

ehhhhhhhh Jackie Brown is his best but IB is a very close second.

This is correct

http://www.indiewire.com/2014/07/quentin-tarantino-says-kill-bill-the-whole-bloody-affair-will-hit-theaters-in-2015-274033/

As the title suggests, it’s a longer cut of the director’s two-part martial arts/vengeance epic, the most notable inclusion being a 30 minute anime sequence. Way, way back in 2011, ‘The Whole Bloody Affair’ screened at the New Beverly… and that was the last anyone heard about it..

it screens every few months at the New Beverly.

Favorite actor = Madsen's boss in the strip club. !!!!! PITCH PERFECT

a few weeks ago, I saw "Grindhouse 2" at the New Bev, which was Rodriguez' Machete plus Hell Ride, written and directed by and produced by and starring Larry Bishop, the strip club boss Larry from Kill Bill.

Leading a sparse motorcycle gang, Bishop speaks in a comical tough-guy drawl, and as a skinny near-60-year-old rarely goes two scenes in a row without some boobs, or elaborate wordplay about how badly a girl wants him to sex her, or girls snorting coke off him in a foursome. Dennis Hopper and David Carradine appear, Michael Madsen is his biker sidekick in a dress shirt and tux jacket, a 30-year-old Eric Balfour from Buffy and Can’t Hardly Wait and Six Feet Under plays the male ingenue. It’s just this side of laugh with, rather than laugh at.

Bishop was also in attendance for the double feature, and the trailers between the two were two of the motorcycle pictures he appeared in as a teen/20sth for Sam Arkoff, faded to various shades of pink. He got up and talked afterwards, for a full hour, rambling and leaping from topic to topic, taking questions but having to check each time whether he’d answered them. Dude was HIGHLY ENTERTAINING. By about twenty minutes in, he had gradually brought up a) a beautiful Brazilian woman he said had been cast in his next film, if he can ever get the funding (he has a trilogy written), b) a beautiful Chilean woman he had been schmoozing and praising the dressed-up see-through outfit off in the lobby, saying she hadn’t been cast in a role she’d auditioned for, but it showed commitment to be staying in touch, and c) a fat ponytail with handlebar mustache who has also been cast in the next film, as one of three bikers Bishop will kill in the opening minutes. “I wanted someone bigger than me so it looks impressive, and he really looks the part.” All three continued to flank him, politely edging from foot to foot, saying nothing, for the remainder of the full hour. This was fine showmanship.

He told stories from the set of Kill Bill, from the set of Hell Ride, from the journey to production, from squabbling with Bob Weinstein over the cost - “They said Larry, four million is still four million, and I had to acknowledge that they have a point.” The film took $390,000 at the box office. His discursed on the personality differences between Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra, and noted “my dad [Joey Bishop] kept 40 tuxedos in his closet. I have three outfits and I wash them every eight years.” He went to high school with Richard Dreyfuss and Rob Reiner, and got his only prior flick as producer/director made when “Richie” turned down 8 and 9 million dollar offers to be in it for free. (Roger Ebert said it was the only film he has ever seen that did not improve on the experience of staring at a blank wall for two hours.)

Django is easily his worst, but I enjoyed Hateful 8 fine (in 70mm roadshow form. Can't imagine taking it in on TV.).

it was a weird movie to insist on the 70mm format for imo, so little in the film calls for it, it's so claustrophobic and boring

Glad to see this thread show lots of love to my favorite Tarantino (still!)

The final scenes with Bill are my least favorite as they get utterly bogged down with QT dialoguing and forget about action altogether.

man... that's why they're good!

Casting DiCaprio in Django was a fatal mistake. Everything else that doesn’t have him in it is pretty fun imo

I wonder if the 70mm roadshow experience of Hateful Eight, coupled with the claustrophobic narrative, is meant (intentionally or not) to replicate the experience of a Grand Guignol play. In retrospect, that is exactly what it seems like it is. And, if I recall correctly, didn’t Tarantino do a bunch of stage readings of it before going behind the camera?

def excited for the possibility of Kill Bill 3

IB and Django could have been a half hour shorter each.

I just keep getting that newish Big Boi song stuck in my head each time the thread is bumped

The whole basterds part of the film, with Pitt, was pretty eh compared to the rest, save the bar scene. Still good though.

The claustrophobia of The Hateful Eight paired with the 70mm format was one of the most interesting and compelling things about it, I thought. I was gripped the whole time. Felt like I was sinking into that room. Can't imagine watching it again in any other format. Maybe in 10 years.

Better start now, because the movie felt like it was 10 hours long.

Another one that flew by for me. Django was a slog. IB I really need to revisit because I haven't seen it since it came out & thought it was super padded

And, if I recall correctly, didn’t Tarantino do a bunch of stage readings of it before going behind the camera?

nah: after the original script was leaked and then bootlegged by Gawker/Defamer, Tarantino did one public reading at the Ace Hotel as a benefit for Film Independent, intending to not make the film. Instead, re-engaging with it led him to rework the script and shoot it after all.

violence nerds, ho-hum

this movie sucks

what Tarantino *really* finds anathema about John Ford is his narrative economy, and lack of self-indulgence and foot fetishism

QTs two films w out foot fetish shots are his worst ones fyi

Which is perhaps coincidental but idk

i'm amused that you know which two they are

Well, we only have two feet.

Given how obvious his foot fetish shots are, it's similarly obvious when they're omittef

Omitted

what i mean is it seemingly indicates you've watched several, or even most, of his films multiple times.

kinda like how you've watched a lot of spielbarf

I'm hardly interested in taking sides here but, like, ad hominems related to how much a person consumes a particular set of works is a pretty dicey foundation for argument on a board descended from another board where people make themselves listen to literally everything by the eagles and billy joel, and vote on where "lost" sonic youth songs should go on the most meager of sonic youth offerings

I won't include NV's toilet duck jingle poll because that was fucking awesome

I'm hardly interested in taking sides here but, like, ad hominems related to how much a person consumes a particular set of works is a pretty dicey foundation for argument on a board descended from another board where people make themselves listen to literally everything by the eagles and billy joel, and vote on where "lost" sonic youth songs should go on the most meager of sonic youth offerings

new board description

i watch things i like more than once, surely i am history's greatest monster

^ new board description

a board descended from another board

that board is slightly more vital to me than I Love NFL