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I'd like to start a discussion on this show, which I just suddenly remembered. This was *fantastic* - it's been ages since I last saw it (about 10 years ago, when Channel 4 last repeated it) but I remember it fondly. Patrick McGoohan's reserved, determined performance, Rover the bubble, "Be seeing you!", that theme music, and of course the balls-out totally insane final episode. Such an incredible show, even if McGoohan had no idea about how to end it.

Is the movie version still going ahead?

Chriddof (Chriddof), Sunday, 19 October 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Kyle to thread.

adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

hey i went to portmeirion a couple weeks ago! it was pretty cool.

duane, Sunday, 19 October 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"Are you going to run?"
"Like the blazes, first chance I get."
"I mean run for OFFICE!"

I got the box set at Kim's in April and it's awesome. Unfortunately, my enjoyment of No.6's antics has been dealt an irreperable blow since I actually started doing classified government work, kind of like I can't get into Catch-22 as much since being in the USAF. McGoohan was my hero in college though.

Using the Beatles to score the big crazy shootout and escape in the finale was brilliant. Also, the youngster who kept singing the song about bones? Totally awesome. I keep wanting to do that at a polygraph interview.

TOMBOT, Sunday, 19 October 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't all think it's all just a load of nonsensical bollocks, then?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

er, no.
i watched the entire series a couple of months ago. yes it starts getting a bit daft towards the end but the first 8-10 episodes were great. favourite episode : the one where he gets drugged and they can see and influence his dreams. that bit where he walks into the room where the experiment is taking place is seriously spooky!

joni, Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i loved it when i first saw it. i wonder if i would feel the same now. sometimes things are best preserved in memory. i like the imagery of the show, is nice to look at. partly portmerion, partly the design. i think i will watch it again soon...

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Take a good 16 hours or so and watch the whole series straight through. Your mind may never be the same again.

brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

john ashcroft's favorite series....."you won't get it!"..."by hook or by crook we will"
(you must be hammer or odestien)
and remember kids "questions are a burden upon others, answers a prison unto oneself"

jameslucasakarroland (jameslucasakarroland), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd like to see the whole thing again too - something very attractive about it all to me when i was younger and saw bits and bobs here and there. part of this comes down to the overlying concept of 'escape' which is my perennial favourite theme of any story. part of it comes down to the general surrealism and self-awareness it has. have read interesting articles in the past about how the making of it and the difficulty in culminating the story really messed up McGoohan's mind.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

there aren't too many series which so successfully and completely rendered the feeling, style, and texture of an entire world so viscerally; the prisoner is otherworldly and familiar, inexplicable and at the same time has images that resonate on some kind of archetypal level, and it does this, most of the time, without even seeming like its trying. sorry to sound so pretentious.

the graphic novel sequal wasn't too bad. If there was a film I'd hope it to be as good but I'm sure it won't be. Mel Gibson owned the film rights to this for ages, that seems to have never happened; McGoohan still retains some control if I'm not mistaken.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 19 October 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd not heard of the graphic novel, I'll have to look it up.

It's pretty fantastic. Quoth the poster on my wall: "I am not a number, I'm a free man."

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Graphic novel = just okay, but I admire them for doing it the hard way rather than the easy way.

Best episode = "A, B and C."

Best song about it: Teenage Filmstars' "I Helped Patrick McGoohan Escape."

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 20 October 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

for real, is it better than that iron maiden one?

duane (24 hour troubleshooter), Monday, 20 October 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I am itching to write at insane length about The Prisoner on my blog, but promised Robin C that I wouldn't until he'd watched the series ('cos I don't want to spoil the ending for him)...I remember doing a stream-of-consciousness thread about it on ILE a couple of years back but can't remember where exactly.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 20 October 2003 07:10 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, we made several jokes when the US State Dept adopted the color-coded Terrorism Evil Threat Level Indicator Thing.

http://www.lvalert.com/HSASalert_orange.jpg

"Orange Alert! Orange Alert! Number Six is trying to escape! Activate Rover!"

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! check this out!

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030929/i/1064845746.2952872024.jpg

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks kingfish, i was starting to wonder.....

Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
My mate lent me this the other day. He accidentally gave me the last episode, which is, by all accounts, the maddest. So I am thinking that the whole thing is as barmy, swith the geezer in the hat singing about bones and Number 1 and those blokes behind the judge with the black/white masks on. Despite not having a clue what was going on (hence feeling like Kafka with a headache) I was intregued. Shall I continue watching, or better still, is the box set a worthwhile investment?

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Absolutely. My girlfriend and I rented the dvd's a few at a time last month and watched it all. Love that McGoohan!

(highlight of the show: the 'sport' in the Village that's a cross between American Gladiators and wire-fu with trampolines).

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Martin here. (If that indeed is his actual opinion.)

Leee Majors (Leee), Monday, 26 January 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

He might have changed his mind by now...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
Heads up, BBC America is showing it now (along with The Saint and The Avengers).

Friday nights are now booked.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 17 July 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

bbc4 has been showing them 2 a week on friday nights for the last month. er, maybe i should've mentioned this earlier...

be seeing you.

koogs (koogs), Saturday, 17 July 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
i watched all the episodes again over the last few weeks. i was fearful it wouldnt stand up to hazy memories of it, but i was pleased to find that it does. difficult to pick a favourite, but i think they are all great up and including "living in harmony", though that episode suggested more non-village episodes, if it had carried on to the 2nd series (as was originally planned before the plug was pulled?)

the following episode, the girl who was death, also suggests that, 2 consecutive non-village episodes. however, this episode was the first (and only) episode to disappoint, so perhaps it is a blessing a 2nd series never happened.

i wasnt sure about the last episode, it seemed more "sixties" than the others, though of course the last episode was all done on the fly, due to strict time constraints. under the circumstances it came out very well, though you can see the padding and playing for time, particularly after the village is left, which is quite surreal and silent.

i had forgotten how great alexis kanner was

*@*.* (gareth), Sunday, 24 October 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going as No. 6 for Halloween, and my girlfriend is going as No. 2.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 October 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really think of either as very ghoulish.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 24 October 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I went as no. 6 a few years ago...easy costume, I bought some faux-keds black shoes w/ white rubber bottom, khaki pants I already owned, bought a shitty black salvation army sport jacket and had a friend sew a white border like tubing, black mock-turtleneck, a bit of gel in the hair to get the part right and I had an actual no. 6 pin I bought from a fan-club many years ago.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 24 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i was #6 for two years. I used a thrift store sport coat with white electrical tape for the lining, and made a button after pringint out a #6 graphic and putting it into one of those high school sports photo pins that moms wear.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 24 October 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha. I got my thrift store sport coat yesterday, put on some white bias tape for the lining, and I'm going to print out the graphic at work tomorrow for the pin.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

there were originally 2 series planned (or a second series was hastily commissioned after the success of the first) and, as you noticed, a lot of episodes after the first 12 were non-village episodes which was how he was going to expand it and keep it from getting stale but which didn't really work for me (holodeck anyone?)

saw the recent bbc4 reruns and thought the last episode held up better than i remembered. it didn't make a lot of sense but it didn't need to. i had the feeling it was someone having fun destroying everything he'd taken a lot of time creating and the last wordless 15 minutes is great in its own way, like you say, very 60s.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of those later episodes (e.g. Hammer Into Anvil, It's Your Funeral") were essentially warmed-up Danger Man scripts.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 25 October 2004 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Portmeirion is still exactly the same as it was in 1967. (went last year)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 25 October 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

When I went, the green dome above Number 2's house wasn't green - it was copper-coloured.

(apparently, when the house was built the architect couldn't afford a proper copper dome, so made one out of green-painted plywood. In the 90s the Portmeirion Trust managed to save up enough cash to buy a copper one - so, of course, it was the wrong colour for a few years until the copper had weathered a bit)

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 25 October 2004 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The complete series DVD boxset is available cheap(er) from MVC at the moment, if anyone's interested. 30-odd quid, I think. I toyed with the idea, but I can't even get through 6 episodes of Boys From The Blackstuff.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 25 October 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got the box-set, inspired by a trip to Portmeirion this summer. I've never seen it before, and was mostly confused by the arguments that seem to go on over the running order. For example, the box-set order isn't the same as the order it was broadcast in; 'Chimes Of Big Ben' is, I think, the second episode in the box-set, but apparently I would never have understood it that early on. I found a recommended running order on t'internet and have been following it (though I have to admit it's been a while since I watched an episode - after about 4 or 5 it seemed to me that they are all essentially the same...)

Mog, Monday, 25 October 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The original intention was for The Prisoner to be a seven-part serial, but ITC wanted a full series of 13 episodes so that it could go into syndication in the USA. McGoohan still considers the key seven episodes to be:

Arrival
Chimes Of Big Ben
Free For All
Dance Of The Dead
Checkmate
Once Upon A Time
Fall Out

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 25 October 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
the grinning pullover has the box set in his shops for ?’20

The Real DG (D to thee G), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

I really must get on with writing about this for the blog.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

i had a teacher in 8th grade (when i was 14 years old) who, each wednesday, dedicated the last hour and a half of class to watching an episode of the prisoner and discussing it afterwards. whatever you think of the show it was a great way to spend wednesday afternoons. thank you mr. hutch. (from the very first class, he asked us to ponder the symbolism of the bicycle. none of us got it.)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

dude I hate you

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I worked with someone once who's uncle was the Second Unit Director for the Prisoner.

Which basically meant he took a camera crew to film closeups of a filing cabinet, a street sign, etc for inserts.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/prisoner/pics/ham854.jpg

The Real DG (D to thee G), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

thank you mr. hutch.
And what did mr. starsky have you watch in his class, Tracer, Escape From New York?

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

It's back on! ITV4 or sumthin'.

Tom D., Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:06 (seventeen years ago)

Presumably because of the impending remake. We watched it last night - we already have the DVD box set so I wasn't really paying attention to it.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

It's been impending for the last fifteen years!

Mark G, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:09 (seventeen years ago)

And long may it, errrrrrrrr, impend

Tom D., Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

They've cast Ian McKellen for it, think it's actually in production soon

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

They haven't cast No. 6 tho

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

Who Is No. 6?

Tom D., Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

(My wife was working for a talent agency until last week, then she quit, so now I'm allowed to talk about who's been signed up for what. Too bad I can't remember anything interesting)

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)

So you can't confirm that Marcello Carlin is to be cast as No. 6?

Tom D., Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:14 (seventeen years ago)

I will not confirm or deny any such rumours

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

itv4 has 'hitler in colour'

DG, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)

nine months pass...

Very sad news.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hls8g79toC_XSUxWXSHcbe8n9ergD95N1HBG0

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 17:07 (sixteen years ago)

Needs it's own thread.

Mark G, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 17:18 (sixteen years ago)

oh no. :(

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

aww ;_;

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 17:20 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

full series online!

http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner-1960s-series/

kingfish, Sunday, 8 February 2009 08:44 (sixteen years ago)

eight months pass...

is there a thread for the remake? its gonna be shitty isn't it >:(

luol deng (am0n), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 16:59 (sixteen years ago)

this is actually being done? what a disaster for ...

sarahel, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:07 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_pusr8ZqjM

luol deng (am0n), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:12 (sixteen years ago)

NOOOOOOO!

sarahel, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:27 (sixteen years ago)

AMC is advertising the shit out of this. looks awful.

because I used to be a nuclear physicist (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:31 (sixteen years ago)

Will Not Be Seeing You

I Poxy the Fule (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:33 (sixteen years ago)

will be forgotten like the '70s Casablanca TV series.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:35 (sixteen years ago)

upside is i can watch the og series thru on-demand

luol deng (am0n), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:44 (sixteen years ago)

rover appears to have eaten all the pies.

koogs, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

i've only seen snippets in the ads, there is not reason this remake SHOULDN'T be good (decent enough actors, AMC has a great reputation now for series) but the clips I've seen don't inspire much hope; for one thing, it looks much to desolate. THe Village was interesting because it was a little town with it's own economy, etc. This looks like some kind of housing plan in the desert. Bah.

akm, Sunday, 8 November 2009 22:25 (sixteen years ago)

eh, they're not filming it in Portmeirion?

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 22:45 (sixteen years ago)

I'll give it a few episodes. I mean, what else am I supposed to do? Read?

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 22:46 (sixteen years ago)

this remake actually makes me angry. mostly because I had to sit through ads for it to see Mad Men

squarefair (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Currently bingeing on the series as Im making a video for the festival they are having in Portmerion in a couple of weeks, some great old mans dance music going to be happening there. http://www.festivalnumber6.com/

I'll also be DJing on the stone boat on sunday which I have to say im quite excited about.

straightola, Saturday, 1 September 2012 10:43 (thirteen years ago)

I have to say I was tempted by that, but the music just isn't interesting enough. Still, DJing on the stone boat! Brilliant. I hope you'll be in a Prisoner-style outfit.

emil.y, Saturday, 1 September 2012 14:16 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah the music is pretty conservative given the heritage but all manchesters balearic best are out in force so the partys in the woods should guarantee loads of fun

straightola, Saturday, 1 September 2012 22:27 (thirteen years ago)

Would go to that festival if I was there... DJ'ing on the Stone Boat is great!

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 1 September 2012 22:54 (thirteen years ago)

going to this! More excited by my first trip to Portmeirion than the music but I am sure it will be huge fun.

woof, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:01 (thirteen years ago)

Portmeirion is amaaaaazing, you will love it. Following on from the festival links I checked out how much it would cost to stay in either the hotel or one of the houses (I've visited twice, staying elsewhere), but it is prohibitively expensive. Ah well. I will definitely go back for more daytrips, though.

emil.y, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)

I remember watching this with my Dad when I was 13! (he ordered the tapes, they arrived three at a time if I remember correctly) The episode where everyone in the village disappeared was such a great turn because the series spent a lot of time setting up everything, only to basically take it all away for a while. I remember asking my Dad over and over "how are they going to explain everything in the final episode?" and getting nervous when I realized there was like 15 minutes left in the finale and NOTHING was really explained. I wonder if I'd feel the same today.

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 18:03 (thirteen years ago)

Portmeirion is beautiful but oddly unsatisfying in some ways, it really is a huge folly and an almost Disney-ish synthesis of styles when you look at it in detail. i came away loving The Prisoner more but thinking a little less of Clough Williams-Ellis

syntax evasion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 18:42 (thirteen years ago)

I'm a big fan of follies, though.

emil.y, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 18:45 (thirteen years ago)

just reading about C W-E's philosophy made the whole thing feel a bit more stage set and a bit less ideal for living? obviously not being able to go into the houses doesn't help but it set my fake architecture sense tingling a bit. even while i was going "lol i'm in The Village"

syntax evasion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 18:47 (thirteen years ago)

Well, I liked it!

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

Yup, loved Portmeirion. Completely get that it does feel a bit fake disney jumble, aesthete-patrician confection, but depending on my mood I was finding it alluringly sinister-twee or, at moments (when i was ahem in the festival spirit), genuinely dreamy. The estuary sets it off too - a bit of infinite natural indifference to run against the pastel prettiness.

But of course spent most of first day just wandering around staring OMG THE VILLAGE (*).

Enjoyed the festival, though we didn't really see that much music for various boring logistical reasons of our own. Great crowd - friendly, p chill - settled-down ravers of the north-west is a nice core constituency - also liked the leavening of prisoner nerds and china-lovers in fleeces. It felt simultaneously well-organised and a bit of a mess - people didn't seem to know what was going on and what was where, but you could get there quickly and without trouble. Would go again.

how was it for you straightola? The Stone Boat seemed like a really great venue on the saturday, but I saw you on the schedule (no need to be impressed by my ilx name/dj name detective work), and you had the weather against you I fear.

(*)They are having a music festival to trick me, I will not tell them why I resigned

woof, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 10:15 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah the dance music element was curated by the Electric Chair/Electric Elephant guys who can put on an excellent party. Some friends of mine went to the festival and said it was fantastic.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 11:30 (thirteen years ago)

I was keen to go to this but in the end money was a prob.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 11:40 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah - 'boring logistical stuff' I mentioned = we were there as press doing a 'visit north wales' piece, so expenses were low, but under normal circumstances tickets + travel time/costs from London would make it difficult.

woof, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 11:47 (thirteen years ago)


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