Totally Crass ILX Arts Poll!

The Rest

Visual Arts
Prose Fiction
Live Music
Recorded Music

Things that are less important, but I'm still willing to follow (sort of in order):

Theatre
Cinema
Television
Comics

Things I f*cking hate and think should be banned:

Poetry
Videogames

(Obv there are things which are not on the list, which might be in there somewhere, like dance and soundart and things like that...)

Yes, indeed, that's what I assumed... also architecture, hence why it ranked so high, pushing above fiction and music.

(Matt DC - Juggling, Mime, 'Statues' and Poi have their own category but this being a family thread it cannot be mentioned.)

Prose fiction though i think much of the kind of writing i'm reading is 'poetic' so maybe fiction/poetry.

TV and cinema (same as live recorded music really)

comics: used to read it but haven't read any in years.

That's it. But this doesn't mean i wouldn't give theatre or art a chance. Its just that music, books and cinema can be experienced at home so these are the things I immediately came into contact with.

tom's is the closest to what my non-crass crass response would be.

[cross post]

I still don't.

1. Recorded Music - undoubtably first, both in terms of amount of time and amount of money spent. I couldn't live without recorded music. It is the artform out of the ten that i know most about (although my knowledge is meagre compared with many of you), I am more likely to get upset if I hear someone slagging off a song or artist that I like in recorded form than I am if someone criticises my choices 2-10 and I am more likely to do silly things like make myself late coz I want to hear a song or album to the very end there and then than, say, watch a tv show I like to the very end in similar circumstances. Also, I have a tendency to be a rabid collector, a completist if you will, about recorded music than about any of the other artforms on the list.

2. Live Music
3. Television
4. Prose Fiction
5. Cinema
6. Theatre
7. Poetry
8. Comics
9. Visual Arts

10. Videogames - is where ppl rank this this the most age-dependent of all of the artforms mentioned here? As Tom has designated this a totally crass arts poll, I think I can just about get away with this sweeping statement. I don't know of many ppl much older than me (anyone older than mid-thirties) who plays videogames on a regular basis. they might play other ppl's, but I doubt if many own games consoles and spend huge amounts of money and time on them. I daresay if I was 20 now I would not only own a games console but also spend a lot of time on them, but these days I just can't be bothered with such things. this is in spite of the massive increase in both no. and quality of videogames available now cf 1990.

I put Videogames at #2 cos I like playing them and am really excited by their potential etc.

Television. It's in there with the top four, the things I get a little of almost every day, and of those it's the one in which it's easiest to find something new.
Recorded Music
Cinema
Visual Arts
Comics
Videogames. I probably consider poetry and theater more "valuable" than videogames, but since I rarely read poetry and never go to the theater, it doesn't matter.
Poetry
Live Music
Theater

You're probably right, but age and video games just occurred to me the other day, and with the exception of my younger-than-the-rest-of-us-girlfriend, a number of people in my group of friends are only just now getting back into video games after abandoning them in our late teens, and we're all approaching 30 or well past it (at 28, I'm the youngest). I haven't decided if this is to be credited to games (for me, the cause of it all is the Gameboy, because it's portable, it needs recharging less often than my Discman, and I don't need to dig my reading glasses out), age, or just my crowd.

visual arts (web design, video graphics, animation etc.)
recorded music

prose fiction
poetry
comics

the last three all dabbled in when i was a teenager - half arsed efforts never to be seen by thine eyes

yes but i see your point - much of the charm has gone, and there are too many damn buttons/keys to press - TMFD

recorded music
cinema
visual arts
prose fiction
television
videogames
live music
poetry
theatre

The poor showing of Recorded Music is I hope only temporary.

Poor old poetry. At least JtN likes it.

xpost - Technically it's in his top four.

Poetry
Live Music
Theatre
(these three are nice, very nice, but not essential)

Television
Comics
Videogames
(i could live without these three things. i would only miss 'the kids in the hall')

Thing that (for me) is missing from this list and would be in at about number 5: Stand-up

Strictly speaking, architecture and all other 3D design should be in its own category, Built Environment. That plus contemporary art means Visual Art is waaaay out in front. Prose fiction is, right now, my main job so strictly speaking it takes priority, but I read a hell of a lot with the TV and radio on.

Poetry, when done well, is sublime but it's my most extreme case of The Fans Suck (and the ego/talent/hard work ratio of poets leaves me nonplussed). I do not like videogames AT ALL.

The other interesting thing is, I used to not care about cinema at all, but since HSA has been dragging me to a lot of films, I'm starting to pick up a real appreciation for it.

If we were to include Architecture/3-D Design, it's probably have to tie with Visual Arts on my list.

The top 4 are pretty much in oreder of accessibility to me. If I lived somewhere which had a good set of venues which was convenient , live music would be up a couple of places.

ballet

I would very probably get a bit cold and wet if this were no longer available to me:

architecture

I really struggle with ranking the top two (maybe three). After television there's a steep decline.

Recorded Music
Live Music

[That much is easy]

Visual Arts

[? really?]

Comics
Prose Fiction
Poetry

Cinema
Theater

[And very far below any of them. . .]

Videogames

These are the staples of my life....or they WILL be again, once I've hypnotised a CEO into hiring me.

The first tw are what I spend most of my time doing. If it wasn't for Lynskey comics would have been deleted entirely, and I have zero interest in videogames because I suck horrendously at them. I'd like theatre to be higher but I never have time.

Recorded Music
Cinema
Prose Fiction
Comics
Visual Art
Live Music
Television
Videogames
Poetry
Theatre

The only revelation being that I can't remember the last time Live Music transcended Visual Arts, Comics, Prose Fiction, Cinema, and Recorded Music, at their best, anyway. That seems a real shame.

2. Cinema: movies are my second love, and I always want to see them in cinema, no on TV screen.

3. Comics: this was my first big love, and still is in a way. However, I've been so poor for the last couple of years that I really can't afford to buy much comics, so they've been on the backbench.

4. Prose Fiction: I wish I could read as much as I once did, but nowadays I don't have the time.

5. Live Music: my main interest is electronic music, so gigs aren't that important. I used to go to rock festivals because of the whole festival experience, but nowadays I feel too old for it. However, in the recent years I've began to really dig jazz, which has raised my interest in live music again.

6. Visual arts: I go to art exhibitions and shows more often than your average citizen, but I'm not an exact enthusiast. Some of my best friends are art students, however, which has affected my interests as well.

7. Theatre: I have nothing against it, but I rarely go there. I guess it's a matter of importance.

8. Poetry: I'm not avid poetry fan, I like prose a lot more.

9. Television: I don't own a TV set, but I occasionally watch TV shows with friends. Still, I could easily live without it altogether.

10. Videogames: I haven't owned a computer or a video game console since the eighties, so videogames mean nothing to me.

Recorded Music

Videogames

The rest.

If the net was an option that'd be 3.

Prose Fiction

Poetry

Television

Cinema

Theatre

Live Music

Comics

Videogames

Visual Arts

Prose Fiction
Recorded Music (EXTREMELY close 2nd -- they both just sort of blend into one addiction)
Theatre
Live Music (might be higher if I didn't hate going out in the cold of night to wait in the wind for public transit...)
Comics
Visual Arts
Poetry
Cinema
Videogames
Television

Martin Skidmore: Yeah, architecture is important, isn't it? It's the setting for your whole psychic day-battle sometimes...

Recorded music - simply because I'm always playing something in the background, or on headphones to drown out work colleagues, or its in shops on PAs, or etc. If you think of it in these terms almost everyone'd have to put it first I'm thinking. However it isnt "the most important" thing to me, oddly.

Television/cinema - in that, I watch a lot of movies, but they're on DVDs at home. I watch way too much TV too but it isnt "important" to me - I just do.

Visual arts/Comics - if we're counting the web, design, and other computer interests then this comes next by default as me and my partner both work with digital media in some form or another so it's around a lot. I put this with comics for the same reason - online comics, and my b/f being an artist/animator. I also love going to galleries, drawing, photography etc. From a moral standpoint I'd say these are "most important" which is odd that I dont indulge more. Interesting, the way TV and the net suck life from me.

Prose - more nonfiction than fiction though. Newspapers, essays, articles, biogs, etc then short stories, then novels way more rarely
Poetry - I write it a lot. I love poets. It isnt something large on my time list though.

Live Music/Theatre/Videogames - no distinction, I don't really involve myself in any of these, though I used to see a lot of bands but I'd be lucky to see a band once or twice a year these days. Been to the theatre less than a dozen times in my whole life (though funnily I'm not counting comedy shows in this - should I be?). Videogames I almost never play, though I watch others. The Sims was the last one I got into heavily.

Recorded Music (but slowly droping in how important it is to me)
Live Music
Cinema
Visual Arts
Prose Fiction
Poetry
Television
Theatre
Comics
Videogames, but I do love a good videogame.

Poetry
Recorded Music
Prose Fiction
Cinema
Live Music
Television
Theatre
Visual Arts
Comics
Videogames

4. Live music
5. Live theatre
6. Books/Lit

7. Recorded music
8. Diablo II (videogame)
9. Comics

10. Poetry

Cinema
Videogames
Prose Fiction -- I'm supposed to rank this higher! :(
Live Music

Visual Arts
Poetry
Theatre

Compared to the other things on this list?

can someone defend their existence?

They encompass most of the other art-forms, plus they're interactive. Why should they need defending?

(in fairness, this is just a comparison of the ne plus ultra of forms, and videogames has only had 20 years compared to centuries for most of the rest of these. In a thousand years, this may be a fair comparison. But potential is exactly the basis on which to defend existence)