WHO THE FUCK READS NEWSPAPERS?

is it bcz of yr job or bcz you choose to?

I don't know which newspapers you read, but the one I read gives pretty prominent coverage of Palestinian-Israeli hostilities.

x-post: what's marmaduke?

Okay, and when we do live in a democracy I might go back to it. I spent a year or so as a news junkie: Today prog, most broadsheets (on the net, obv.), c4 news, newsnight, the new statesman each week.

I cut down and recentlly gave up even the observer. my life has improved immeasurably. Now i scan the net a bit, watch most of c4 news and listen to bits of today, and read private eye - and i don't miss anything.

In a week you forget most news you read. Tho I forget most of the film theory i read too.

Oh that wacky Great Dane and his antics.

newspapers: the awful columnists, the fact that newpapers are either left or right wing, and its not as if they are giving much more than what you get on TV as far as news coverage is concerned. TV has the weatherwoman, newspapers have dull charts.

x-post: with TV you don't have to pay (I'm not the one who pays for the licence fee at home).

plus: mark trail (gripping!)

Reasons to read the paper: Sports, Thomas Friedman, Boondocks.

TS: BBC News vs USA Today.

Julie Burchill is a living saint who provokes people into questioning the dull ideological conformity of her times.

-- Enrique

this comment is your utter undoing

Julie Burchill is a living saint who provokes people into questioning the dull ideological conformity of her times.

Oh god... 953 new answers by tomorrow morning.

Wow, this is like ILX Wars! I've never been 'done up', thanks. Where's the Cluster Gang when you need it?

Burchill roolz! Why not? She's funny as fuck.

BRING IT!

Add to all the fact that they are the music heard on the edge of sound, and it was always a forgone conclusion that you would surrender to this most mellifous of menage a tois. Because if God is truly in the details then St Etienne sit at his right hand holding his slide rule.

Pop music, in all its squalid slendour, has always had a horrible habit of making one less than one is, boiling you down to the lowest common denominator of the big black throbbing bottom bass line; what's his name, what's his number and how do I get him? But St Etienne always made you more. YOu'd put on the Saints and sit around for hours musing on what it meant to be a girl, to be of the English blood royal, to be alive, to be duplicit, to be living after the fall of Communism, to be living at the end of the century, to be human. And then, and only then, would you genefluct with L'Heure Bleu and leave the house by the fire escape when all were sleeping to meet him by the waltzer and snog him on the beach.

Long before the current and thoroughly admirable habit of Brit beat bands writing soundtracks for films no one would ever make, St Etienne were writing the new, improved soundtrack for the one and future cinema Renaissance. They sound silver; silverer than any screen could ever be. And they cast a giant shadow, a Pale Movie itself. Like A Motorway expands into Two Into Three Won't Go; Hug My Soul sees in Here We Go Round The Mullberry Bush; You're In A Bad Way blows the whistle on Billy Liar; Hobart Paving collects the debris outside The L-Shaped Room. Just close your eyes and you can see Pearl and Dean's eternal blue sky.

Like coming from a cinema matinee into daylight, St Etienne strand you blinking and disorientated, but happy. And already you miss them, before they can even leave. And yet you want them to leave, so you can get on with the serious business of missing them. To late to say goodbye, but too young to die; remember them this way.

Ms Burchill's notes for 'Too Young To Die'.

i seem to remember thinking that jacques peretti was really cool when i was about 18. either hes got worse, or ive got bored of cheap hipster posing.....

well I think newsnight and channel 4 are ok programmes. headlines plus some analysis plus a long piece on something that is not currently in the agenda.

''Anyway: the original question. Julio! I am shocked. You're an intelligent person, we live in a democracy and as Blount said we should be informed and be able to take in differing view points.''

The main prob with newspapers is that they have to choose a side (either left or right wing): that informs their choice of columnists, and when it comes to analysis there is always the left/right wing filter that distorts it. not so informative then.

TV news does that but as hstencil points out, most of the main news programs don't get too far in depth and I see this as an advantage.

x-post: I'd say the metro is the only one paper i would read.

= the used condom is the best thing in this binliner

Best part of newspapers = the crossword puzzle

(this is a lie)

from reading broadsheets over the years some news coverage is fine (international coverage for instance) but what I'm talking abt is 'analysis' of national and political events. I'm not interested in reading stuff and taking it with a pinch of salt.

Actually, Julio - most of the news coverage itself IS biased (especially anything to do with private finance in the Guardian, anything to do with Europe in the Times etc), which is what bothers me. I am perfectly happy for left-wing papers to have left-wing columnists and right-wing papers to have right-wing columnists, but I wish the actual reporting of news was better regulated (independently, of course).

Peretti is good because clubs are for wankers and he knows it.

The Tribune Company filed for bankruptcy protection in a federal court in Delaware on Monday, as the owner of The Los Angeles Times, The Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Cubs baseball team struggled to cope with mountains of debt and falling ad revenue.

I kinda miss j. desouza

he's still around with another name isn't he?

McClatchy about to do the same.

i miss blount and his marmaduke fixation

Julio is stil around as xyzzz or something, occasionally pops up on classical and free jazz threads.

thats who i was thinking of

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That's depressing. Though I have to admit I rarely if ever read newspapers. Only online and mainly the gossip section/ :-(

what happened to the wsj between 2000 and 2003? they began including online subscribers after that, which has stopped their circulation falling, but no more than that. instead the jump in circulation comes before, when they added about 250,000 to their circulation in three years - bulk sales and freebies?

suppose the other conclusion i'd draw - apart from sux 2 B U, la times - is how low the circulation figures of all of these are, compared to uk papers and given their relative populations. different markets and all, but ny times and washington post must have a national reach as much as the london papers do, but they can barely keep pace with the telegraph and the times over here despite having five times the size of audience.

right, but it's not an exact comparison because while the nyt and the wapo are sort-of national newspapers, they're not national in the same way the british nationals are. they're still very much tied to their local markets -- something like half the nyt's circulation is in the new york metro area. there are a lot of parts of the country where you really have to look hard to find either of them -- and some places where you just can't find them at all, because it's not worth the cost to circulate there. (usa today and the wall st. journal are our only really national papers.)

and i haven't seen a breakdown of the latest numbers, but i know that over the last 10 years or so, the nyt in particular has seen steady growth in its national circulation -- but that has been offset by steady declines in nyc metro-area circulation, reflecting changes in the city's demographics. (fastest-growing papers in the city have been spanish-language.) and of course the major fact that everyone knows but that tends to get left out of death-of-the-newspaper stories is that many if not most papers have more actual readers now than they did 10 years ago (in some cases, like the nyt, a lot more). they just haven't translated their online readership into enough money to compensate for the revenue loss on the print side.

Much of the revenue loss comes from less ads in the newsprint.