Let's guess the content of tonight's ITV Premiership

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ITV.. aaah, the people that don't know how to show football. Clueless fuckwits all.

Who agrees with me that the 'expert' pundits will devote all their energies to analysing 'what went wrong' with United today and give nothing but a cursory pat on the back to Fulham ?

And will the amazing Wolves v Leicester match - in pre-Premiership days a surefire featured match being as it is, a real six-pointer - be relegated to featurette status at best, or even 11:50 goal highlights status ?

darren (darren), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm looking forward to the highlights, it'll be like when Bailey scored a hat trick (or was it just two?) for QPR against Man U all those years ago.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a hat-trick and I think it was on New Year's day, wasn't it ? He is now a born-again Christian I think.

Spurs to break the Boro hoodoo tomorrow, Jel ?

darren (darren), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Best thing to do is wake up early on Sunday morning to catch the pundit- free version of the show.

Although Man U will still be lead game and they will only show the goals from Wolves-Leicester.

Oh yeah...and you still have to endure Lynam, unfortunately.

Venga, Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Lynam - who has a mysterious way of pronouncing United with the stress on the "U" - which, while annoying, is preferable to Tyldesley and co using the gruesome mid-Atlantic "Uni-ded". Though the very idea of Drury opening his mouth to spout his sixth-form "look Mummy I'm a commentator" portentous bull is far worse than even that.

darren (darren), Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's back on the Beeb next season isn't it?

Hansen every Saturday! Yay!

Venga, Saturday, 25 October 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

WBS to thread...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Spurs have to beat Boro tomorrow, but I'm a little worried because Freddie won't be playing. Maybe Zamora will get a run in the team.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 25 October 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

goals goals goals?

David. (Cozen), Saturday, 25 October 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I to take it that Man Utd got beat by Fulham? Hooray! I'm alone ion the house, hence have not seen any news or sport because I've been pottering aroudn aimlessly editing stuff, tidying stuff, and making macaroni cheese.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 25 October 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Liverpool-Leeds will get big play, because they are seen as Big Clubs and there has been talk of crisis. Also Chelsea-Man City because a goalfest was anticipated. Yeah, no doubt lots on Man U, who are virtually never in the also-ran section. Wolves-Leicester has a chance, I think, as it was such an obvious crunch game.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 October 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

22:30 The Premiership

Des Lynam presents highlights of this afternoon`s Premiership action, as Manchester United entertained Fulham at Old Trafford and Chelsea welcomed Manchester City to Stamford Bridge. Plus, a round-up of all the goals from today`s other matches. With studio analysis from Ron Atkinson and Andy Townsend.

Which is bollocks, quite frankly. Wolves-Leicester will probably get the Guy Mowbray Treatment ("Wolves could do with a goal now - here's Camara - He's Scored! Henri Camara! Unbelievable!"). Darren is most likely bang-on in his prediction of how Taaaaahnsend will analyse it, in that it will be Utd defending poorly, thus giving him the opportunity to show off his Immense Knowledge Of Football, and leaving Big Ron to say nice things about Hernan Crespo or whoever.

Us V Blackburn was never gonna be shown. What does annoy me is that Birmingham City and the Completely Overlooked Player Of The Season Thus Far, i.e. Maik Taylor, will be ignored, despite the fact they've only lost once this season and conceded only five in ten games, putting them fourth in the table, four points off the leaders. By the time Andy has stopped talking over Clive Allen for long enough to notice, it'll probably be too late for them to get their dues... (though admittedly Steve Bruce is a bit of a bast.)

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 25 October 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

how long before people start wanting to buy steed malbranque? he is the boss

summertime, Saturday, 25 October 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

thing with birmingham is they havent been scoring at all, despite being 4th in the table. but cunningham and upson (and taylor yes) have been rock solid. but with forrsell, and a cast of others, they should start scoring more

summertime, Saturday, 25 October 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Birmingham should begin to open up a bit, especially at home now. Though Bruce's teams are not known for attacking flair.

Inamoto's goal...mmmmm. Give that man a starting place, or better still, sell him to Tottenham PLEASE.

Tonight's 'show', btw - not as bad as it could have been re the "concentrate on Man Utd 'what went wrong?'" angle, but the analysis is so perfunctory as to be utterly devoidof necessity. Townsend is hired solely on his ability to state what is obvious enough for an elementary English student to be able to articulate. In other words, he says exactly what he sees. "He gets the ball, takes it down beautifully, and..wallop, top corner.". Yes Andy ..

darren (darren), Saturday, 25 October 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

And in re Danny Murphy's goal for Liverpool, Townsend says we should never have abandoned the simple offside law in favour of this interfering with play nonsense. Now I'm older than him, and I remember that interfering with play nonsense as always being there. I can remember big arguments about it from 30 years ago - there was a huge controversy in a crucial match that halfway decided the title in about 1971 or '72 - old Leeds fans may remember it.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 October 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"how long before people start wanting to buy steed malbranque? he is the boss"

quite. he was godlike today. i think liverpool were linked over the summer, but fulham looks a happier club to be at, for the moment at least. speaking of 'pool, that sinama-pongolle chap looks rather tasty.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 25 October 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Yeah, no doubt lots on Man U, who are virtually never in the also-ran section," wrote Martin.

I don't know if there's an archive of stats for these things, but I'd wager that United have NEVER been pushed back to the also-ran section. They're either featured or not playing on Saturday. Same goes for Arsenal, by the way.

A couple of other things on this thread: Wasn't Dennis Bailey in Musical Youth?

OTM, Darren's point about ITV analysis. And to think - it has actually improved since they first started their coverage a couple of seasons ago.

ITV pushed Wolves Leicester forward, fine, but squandered any possible respect by saying, as they went into the ad break, 'before our next main game, one of the best comebacks in the history of the premiership.' So they didn't have the decency to make it a main game, gave away the result and made it clear (to their advertisers?) that no-one needed to worry because a big club would be along again shortly. Per-thetic. What are they so afraid of? It was as if they needed a special reason to justify showing Wolves and Leicester at all. There are 20 clubs in The Premiership, for fuck's sake.

But what upset me most yesterday about ITV was On The Ball. They had a round-up of the 'Champs League' games. I didn't see the whole thing, but caught their review of Sparta Prague's win, which featured only one of the three goals, plus Lokomotiv Moscow's 3-0 win, again only one goal shown. They preferred to rush back to the 'experts' in the studio stating the obvious about the British clubs. They have rights to show football, but prefer talk to action!!

Daniel (dancity), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Who agrees with me that the 'expert' pundits will devote all their energies to analysing 'what went wrong' with United today and give nothing but a cursory pat on the back to Fulham?

Replace United and Fulham with Arsenal and Charlton and you've pretty much got today's Sky Sports coverage spot on.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't they make the decisions about what are to be the main games in advance, and not change them? I'm not positive about this, nor any reasons that might be behind it - other than the minor one of getting the top commentators watching, assuming all the commentary is done live, if it is.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

They do, and Wolves-Leicester SHOULD have been a main game, seeing as it's the Basement Battle between the bottom two clubs, already looking like a six-pointer at the end of October - there's your hype, your tension, all the stuff.

Chelsea vs. City... where the fuck's the intrigue there?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, hang on, just realised - Chelsea are in the Champions League, which ITV has live for now and the foreseeable future, whereas it loses the rights to the Premiership at the end of this season.

Priorities, gents...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

But they didn't know last season or the season before that they were going to lose the prem rights. But their priorities were evident then, especially in the Champions' League chat they sometimes have at the end of the Saturday night programme.

Daniel (dancity), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

They must have sensed it. I cannot think of anyone who compares The Premiership favourably to MOTD.

Even then - Champions League is midweek prime-time, Premiership gets punted about late-night Saturday schedules quite merrily, which was definitely the case last season. Champions League is in by far the more valuable timeslot.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone here seen the choice-of-eight-games thing on Sky yet? Looks fun, and, at least, refreshingly unparochial. I know, virtue - necessity and all that.

Daniel (dancity), Sunday, 26 October 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The Premiership has been steady at 10.30 this season.

Yes, I agree that Wolves-Leicester should have been a main game, but the appeal of Chelsea-Man City is that both are flying high, both are very attacking, and lots of action was anticipated. The logic is fairly clear, even though I don't like the overarching bias towards the few hugest clubs.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Wolves Leicester shouldn't have been the main game, yes there were seven goals, but they weren't particularly marvellous goals, a friend told me today that it was the most boring sven goal game he'd seen (he is a leicester fan so may be biased but still)and the quality of the game was dire. I'd much rather have seen extended highlights of Fulham pushing the ball around Old Trafford with a pretty impressive lack of fear. Plus extended highlights of Inamoto's gem of a goal.

But Martin is right re: City v Chelsea, they are both doing pretty well this season, it's a game that would expect to be shown. Also, it's a pretty intriguing game in that you don't expect a Keegan managed team to do particularly well against such a potent team as Chelsea are at the moment, you expect them to try and play them and get their relatively weak defence exposed, this obviously didn't happen.

Chris not Vicky (Vicky), Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Alternative version: guess what Smith and Earle are saying on ON THE BALL while the sound is turned down cos you are listening to 54 intermeshing guitars.

- I just think sometimes that Arsenal haven't made that *step up* that you need for Europe.

- Liverpool, for me, Matt, have gone *backwards* since winning the UEFA Cup.

- I just think though Matt if you took that aggression *away* - would he be the same player?

the pinefox, Monday, 27 October 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

rte's coverage is even worse
man utd frequently take up over half an hour of an hour long show...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

smith & earle otm

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Having said all that I have said - I cannot believe how much I enjoy the pile of cheap TV that is... THE PREMIERSHIP ON MONDAY. Last night I forced myself to stay awake till 12:20 just to see it, and was rewarded with classic Clive Allen material. Did anyone else see Smith's sign-off at the end?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 28 October 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)


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