TS: Ali G vs all the other bits of the 11 O'Clock Show

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Inspired by the Sally Philips vs Daisy Donovan thread. Words can barely express how contemptible all of the non-Ali G elements of the 11 O'Clock Show were. Particular scorn must be ladled onto Iain Lee's dead-eyed attempts at being Chris Morris in the Day Today without the edge/humour/wit/talent/anything really, and on Ricky Gervais's spots of the flattest observational comedy known to man. Ali G may have gone severely stale these days, but back then it achieved a level of one-redeeming-featureness not seen since Stavros/Loadsamoney on Friday/Saturday Night Live.

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The 11 o'clock show was a dud, but Ali G was never all that anyway. I therefore take no side, and rephrase the question as Ali G and the 11 o'clock show: Dud and Dud?

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I never liked Ali G at all, nor any of Baron Cohens creations, especially Borat (which = Dennis Pennis lite)

chris (chris), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh come on, Ali G is brill.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Mind you, Ali G could also be seen as Dennis Pennis-lite.

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

exactly, utter twaddle.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Except Ali G was a character, rather than a series of [good] one-liners.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

My sister bought me the video for Christmas some years back. It had "Bone Us" footage.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Dennis Pennis was also an (admittedly very limited) character. He used to do these little 'vox pop' interview spots and some presenting on a middle-of-the-night ITV indie programme called Transmission. Sort of like Snub TV but much cheaper and nastier, though occasionally showing way more obscure videos.

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

was the character what made it work, or the scenario?

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought Ali G was very funny originally, tho i do not approve of making decent people look like idiots, which is what the 11 O Clock Show spent half the time doing - they spent the other half showing other people up for the cockfarmers they were. Ali G ran out of steam by the time he got his own show. I found Gervais's skits quite funny too and even Lee, Donovan and Crook were capable of some amusement on occasion. the show was by no means as bad as many deem it to be but obviously not quite up to the standard of Morris, Mayhew, Ianucci and the like. Among T11oS's writers was Charlie Brooker whose own foray into television also floundered somewhat (tho TvGoHome the website remains classic).

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Gervais's own short-lived chat show wasn't so hot, but i do rate The Office and the level of observational humour in it is definitely of a higher standard (thanks also to Steven Merchant and key cast members such as MacKenzie Crook, Martin Freeman and her what played Dawn).

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked (ie hated) when they had "experts" in to "wittily dissect" current events, like the sun's entertainment editor (i haf purged his name from my mind luckily)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

they repeated the 2001 MTV European Music Awards the other day with Ali G as host and it was a dreadful performance by him, tho whoever had the idea of getting him to present a ceremony held in FRANKFURT, GERMANY should really be out of work by now

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Rich Hall was quite good on it.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the sun's entertainment editor (i haf purged his name from my mind luckily)

Dominic Mohan, you mean.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

TVGH never worked on TV becuase the humour lies in your imagination, the way you picture the concepts.

The book btw, is very funny.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 30 October 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Did the 11 o'clock show have an earlier incarnation (yes, yes, any 10 o'clock show gags will be hilarious, I'm sure) with one of the multitude of crap Australian comedians who can only get work over here (Brendan Burns, someone like that) and Fred Macaulay? And maybe Mark Little too? Or have I made that up? Anyway, dud. As is Ali G.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 30 October 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone remember how jokes from T11CS kept turning up on that lee and herring show on sunday (or vice versa)

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 30 October 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

apparently it's back, only at ten?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6Grq6l31cUU/TSJtYeqs2eI/AAAAAAAAAfM/NnHgeNBJrAs/s1600/72ee9e55-57e0-42a8-8b5a-3b555c1e1aae_625x352.jpg

moholy-nagl (history mayne), Saturday, 8 January 2011 12:22 (fifteen years ago)

^ any one of those people >>>>>>>>>>> the collective powers of those involved in the 11 o'clock show.

ailsa, Saturday, 8 January 2011 13:34 (fifteen years ago)

sbc >>>>> any of those fucks

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Saturday, 8 January 2011 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

all of those fucks

Tinker Tailor Soulja Boy Tell 'Em (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 January 2011 13:58 (fifteen years ago)

let's hope Lauren Laverne's as great at comedy as she is at arts programming and being in a band

Tinker Tailor Soulja Boy Tell 'Em (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 January 2011 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

this was commissioned on the strength of the alternative election show and i'm looking forward to it, but it's hard not to think it won't go the same way of every other weekly comedy/current affairs show (that's not a quiz), i.e. nowhere

i have it on good authority that the reason there is no nightly show like this in the UK is that "writers cost too much" to hire four nights a week

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 January 2011 14:03 (fifteen years ago)

just rip your zings off of ILX and other disreputable websites and cut out the middle men

Tinker Tailor Soulja Boy Tell 'Em (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 January 2011 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

let's hope Lauren Laverne's as great at comedy as she is at [...] being in a band

BAN NOODLY VAGUER

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:06 (fifteen years ago)

i'm not sure if i ever heard kenickie

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:33 (fifteen years ago)

me neither

Tinker Tailor Soulja Boy Tell 'Em (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:35 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rLkwGIXilU

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:36 (fifteen years ago)

amateurish rehash of some more famous song i can't quite remember?

idk there's still something a lil bit endearing in some kids from sunderland getting 'mad hype' rather than 20 yr olds from the right london schools with acoustic guitars, chill beats, namechecks for aaliyah, james blake remixes etc

max bro'd (nakhchivan), Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:41 (fifteen years ago)

never knew toby jones was in kenickie

Tinker Tailor Soulja Boy Tell 'Em (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 January 2011 01:59 (fifteen years ago)

That promo photo upthread is some uniquely terrible photoshoppery...

sktsh, Sunday, 9 January 2011 02:30 (fifteen years ago)

never knew toby jones was in kenickie

lol

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:13 (fifteen years ago)

i liked this kenickie song 'back in the day', doesn't quite hold up for me now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHIqEkTQ-64

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Friday, 21 January 2011 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

i know i'm in my 40s but what's 'sbc'?

buy lying (whatever), Friday, 21 January 2011 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

sacha baron cohen

ailsa, Friday, 21 January 2011 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/feb/10/lauren-laverne-token-tv-woman

derp

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Thursday, 17 February 2011 11:37 (fifteen years ago)

sicking her _____ in

that was the least crap part of her g2 cllumn last week iirc

nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 11:44 (fifteen years ago)

a hahahahah...

Last week was particularly excruciating. The auto-cue went wrong while Laverne and Charlie Brooker were on camera. Neither of them could hold things together, but Laverne started dishing out what seemed like blame and responsibility, yelling at Brooker: "It's your item. It's your item." Other than this, there has been no tiny hint as to why the show has to be live at all. If it's to build creative tension and get the best out of the four performers, then it's not working. At all.

• The following correction will be printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Friday 11 February 2011. An item referring to the Channel 4 current affairs and comedy show 10 O'Clock Live said an auto-cue had failed last week when Lauren Laverne and Charlie Brooker were on camera and "neither of them could hold things together". In fact this segment was a pre-recorded, scripted sketch used to demonstrate the perils of live television.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 February 2011 11:45 (fifteen years ago)

ha

nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 11:47 (fifteen years ago)

feel like only Deborah Orr has ever compared Laverne to Fey

idgi fridays (blueski), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

i think i got confused between deborah orr (will self's wife iirc?) and that american woman who was on newsnight review for some inexplicable reason

nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:38 (fifteen years ago)

feel like only Deborah Orr has ever compared Laverne to Fey

I'd put money on it

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:40 (fifteen years ago)

but it's so obvious. tina fey was lead writer of one of the most famous tv formats of the last four decades. lauren laverne did that one song with mint royale. fey wrote 'mean girls'. laverne did the breakfast show on x-fm. fey created and starred in an acclaimed sitcom while launching a hollywood career, albeit with mixed results. laverne was on the culture show.

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:41 (fifteen years ago)

laverne once did a muppet walk

idgi fridays (blueski), Thursday, 17 February 2011 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

• The following correction will be printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Friday 11 February 2011. An item referring to the Channel 4 current affairs and comedy show 10 O'Clock Live said an auto-cue had failed last week when Lauren Laverne and Charlie Brooker were on camera and "neither of them could hold things together". In fact this segment was a pre-recorded, scripted sketch used to demonstrate the perils of live television._

That was really bloody obviously scripted! Were they watching the thing at all??

egregious fannydangling (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:07 (fifteen years ago)

the thing about the 11 o clock show was that it wasn't trying to be satirical or incisive at all... any mention of current events was at a purely tabloid level and for use as a springboard for iain lee's puerile schoolboy humour about "bummers" and "spastics".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LELTwdZyslw

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

ppl rly hate iain lee

nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:16 (fifteen years ago)

just think comparisons between the two shows are weird,if iain lee had ever interviewed a tory mp, he'd have just asked him questions about knob cheese or if anybody in the house of commons gents sat down to pee.

http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEz2PJu91NY

nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:27 (fifteen years ago)

He actually told me he bailed out of doing the 11OClock show because the scripts were 'utter crap'

Mark G, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:44 (fifteen years ago)


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