Rio Ferdinand Goes Down For The Count (yes, tis about Footie)

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From the Evening Standard, London:

Rio charged with misconduct
29 October 2003

Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand was today charged with misconduct by the Football Association.

The FA have been considering the case against the England centre-back ever since they were made aware he missed a random drugs test at United's Carrington training ground on September 23.

Ferdinand claimed he forgot the appointment with UK Sport's anti-doping team and successfully passed a test 36 hours later.

However, after hearing from the player himself and examining his mobile phone records - Ferdinand also claimed his phone was switched off while United officials were trying to contact him - the FA have decided there is a case to answer.

The FA have yet to reveal the penalty Ferdinand will face but he has escaped the more serious charge of wilfully missing the test, which carries a maximum two-year ban.

The FA confirmed the verdict in a statement on their website.

The statement said: "The FA has today charged Rio Ferdinand with misconduct for a breach of FA Rule E26, with reference to Regulation 1(c) of the FA Doping Control Regulations.

"Regulation 1(c) refers to 'the failure or refusal by a player to submit to drug testing as required by a competent official'.

"The charge relates to the selection of Rio Ferdinand to submit to out-of-competition testing on September 23, 2003 as part of The FA's Doping Control Programme.

"Rio Ferdinand has 14 days to respond to the charge."

The FA have yet to reveal the penalty Ferdinand will face but he has escaped the more serious charge of wilfully missing the test, which carries a maximum two-year ban.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It'll just be a fine and a few game suspension (5-10 games?), I think.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

However, after hearing from the player himself and examining his mobile phone records - Ferdinand also claimed his phone was switched off while United officials were trying to contact him - the FA have decided there is a case to answer.

So, he still gets busted for, bascially, letting his calls go to to voicemail.

So much for being innocent, until proven guilty. Must only qualify as a US thing.


Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

It'll just be a fine and a few game suspension (5-10 games?), I think.

Still, that's one hell of a chunk of change considering the size of his paycheck. Suspensions still mean he won't be earning.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't apply to doping (quite rightly, if you believe in anti-doping)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Tico, they haven't proved that he was on anything, as yet. He's got 2 weeks to plead innocence.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently Rio is not the brightest of lads..he is just.. forgetful.

More serious charges of neglect of proper duty should be set on UK Sport and to a lesser extent Manchester Utd officials for not having systems and procedures in place to ensure that he did NOT leave the ground.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

he's guilty of missing the dope test, nichole, and that's what he's being punished for

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

He might just have to go without dessert for a week.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

it takes two to tango...why don't the FA charge the UK Sport officials for failure to ensure that he took the test ..and the end of the training session.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

mark otm
as for missing the phone calls,he does seem to have not been entirely honest about the situation,saying his phone was turned off and then when it turned out it wasn't saying "oh yeah,it was on silent actually"
i think he's a mediocre defender at best,i can't see united missing him too much...

robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Mediocre or no, Robin, can't see Man U happily waving goodbye to all the cash they have invested.

he's guilty of missing the dope test, nichole, and that's what he's being punished for

I know, Sinker. However, something says the FA just wants to make an example of him.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

that's exactly what they want to do, nichole!! they want to send a signal saying TAKE DOPE TESTS SERIOUSLY you rich little nitwits cz WE DO!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Firing him instantly would have made a bigger point, as nowt makes rich twits cry more than a punch in the wallet

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but the FA can't fire Ferdinand, that's the whole point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

He SHOULD worry about what his stupidity says to his young fans, though.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

he does come across as one of the more stupid players out there...
i know united invested a lot of money in him,i just meant its not as serious as say,arsenal losing viera or united losing scholes/keane would be/has been

robin (robin), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

He SHOULD worry about what his stupidity says to his young fans, though.

I humbly submit that I haven't always seen this as an overriding concern among all athletes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I humbly submit that I haven't always seen this as an overriding concern among all athletes.

True, enough. That doesn't mean that it shouldn't matter at all, however. (Pardon. My secret idealist streak asserted itself for a second.)

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I've forgotten appointments and obligations in my life. I don't do it often, especially when it's something important, but it has happened. That's why I wouldn't say anything too harsh about him here, since we have nothing significant to suggest that there is more to this than forgetting one thing.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Hang Martin!

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i think a five-match ban is sufficient

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

they should call professional witnesses: such as Dave O'Leary and Arry Redknapp -

ask the question: in your time of working with Rio - did he come across as forgetful?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

since they accepted that it wasn't wilful they presumably accept that he did genuinely forget, w/o need of witnesses

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

He will also have to take ginseng for memory unless it is also on the banned list.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

haha my grandma always thought everyone was saying gin sling

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Why the FUUUH do football players need to take drug tests?
It's not like steroids are going to help them much.

squirlplise, Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

She must have wondered why it had such an odd effect on her.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

obviously everyone has forgetten things,but turning up for drug tests is meant to be so ingrained in a footballers way of thinking that missing one isn't even an option...
i think i read that its only ever happened twice before

robin (robin), Thursday, 30 October 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Lotsa stuff to respond to:

- Not wilful; it's an interesting distinction. The FA had two options - wilful failure (which equates to failing a test in the rules) and failure to attend. In that sense, it is a lesser charge. However, the range of punishments is exactly the same; the stricter charge simply lessens the discretion over punishment options, but the tariff of penalities is the same. If it's not splitting hairs - wilful evasion equates with Ferdinand effectively saying 'I do not wish to take this test because I do not agree with testing / I think I might get caught for being a naughty drug using boy'. The charge he's been done on is perhaps more the FA saying 'You are a fuckwit who has completely undermined the point of the drug testing rules, and though you might not have done it deliberately, you are negligent beyond belief.'

- What will he get? Today's Grauniad this morning suggest a year.

- Innocent until proven guilty - the thrust of anti-doping law is strict liability which effectively reverses the dictum. Whether that's right or wrong is another debate, but it is the same the world over.

- Prevalence of drugs in football - a mate was on telly with an ex-pro talking about this affair, and the ex-player was stating that there was no drugs problem in sport. When the cameras were switched off, he admitted he had been telling a few porkies and that infact football had a problem here. It stands to reason though; if someone will take supplements to win a race that might get them a couple of grand, surely where the rewards are greater the incentive is even greater (witness Serie A nandrolone shennanigans a year or so ago). Also, a major factor in a game is stamina; look at the number of goals scored in the last 10 minutes - he who runs longest had more chance of winning. Or retaining their place in a side in a league where the virtues of industry and energy and 'putting yourself about' are extolled (= it's all Hopkins fault.) If you listen to what ex-players say about yer modern game, they all say that skillwise, they reckon they could compete, but the speed, pace and stamina required now is so much more. Either this is due to the neglect of chips in favour of pasta or maybe there is more going on here. Not saying there is, but all the ingredients of the desire to use performance enhancers are there - competition for places, emphasis on stamina, great rewards to the victors. It would be far more strange if football didn't have a problem to honest. maybe it doesn't; maybe it retains a sense of honest work-ethic. I don't know. And nor do the FA, hence the desire to improve the track record on drug testing in the game.

- Final conspiratorial thought: Key evidence = Rio's mobile records. Provided by Vodafone. Who sponsor ManYoo. Who stand to lose a player for some time, thus affecting their playing potential. Thus making the chances of ManYoo players pictured with the championship wearing Vodafone plastered gear. Not to mention pictures of Rio (The Drugs Fiend!) in a Vodafone plastered shirt. Also has big impact on Man Yoo books - do they pay him 80K a week when he's not playing, and will come back tarnished and lacking match fitness? Whose value depreciates further on their balance sheet, where they amortise his transfer fee over the length of his contract? Basically, a key provider of evidence (in a non-judicial setting) is also an extremely interested party in L'affair Ferdinand. Maybe they're honest as the day is long, but our old friend 'massive conflict of interest' barges his way to centre stage in a football related story.

Apologies for wanky Frenchness at the end.

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless he's with 3 for their marvellous (ahem) video goals service.

Ban him.

Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Robin, apparently footballers get tested in the UK about once a year on average, which is hardly enough to make it ingrained.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
8 months for being a bit thick/ forgeetable

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

50,000 fine plus costs of personal hearing.

appeal...

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 19 December 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Eriksson will now take his chance to leave after Euro 2004.

Which is actually what the FA wants IMO.

They were unduly influenced by Blatter's bluster.

pete s, Friday, 19 December 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a nonsense. I mean he has been a bit of a prat, but this is just way OTT.

Melly E (Melly E), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, so he deserved a short ban and a fine, but this punishment seems completely out the park (if you'll pardon the pun).

Melly E (Melly E), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

thick as a parrot.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought it was fair enough, actually. i thought he would get less (about 3 months) but i think you should have a hefty chunk of the year on the sidelines for something like this. i'm guessing the FA were a influenced by blatter, but a fair verdict ensued, so whatever....

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 20 December 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Heavey handed for FIFA, a more sensible penalty wil come on the appeal.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 20 December 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

When it comes down to it, he missed his drug test, and if he only gets a tiny punishment, what's to stop other footballers who would have had a positive result pulling the same stunt and failing to attend the test?

Vicky (Vicky), Saturday, 20 December 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

an interesting theory i heard today, Rio has been effectively been banned from sept 23rd from the national team thats 3 months ago - so if the ban is 8 months, for england he has only 5 months to go [if you backdate the ban period for England]- therefore can play in Portugal 2004.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

How long was Cantona banned for again?

pete s, Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

9 months.

also...Bosnich got 9 months for being a druggie

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

So Cantona was banned for 9 months. Hmmm.
S'pose we tolerate far less in football these days.
('It was a man's game then...')

pete s, Saturday, 20 December 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

point of order: the Cantona Incident was on 25th January 1995 (against my team Crystal Palace - good win at Reading today which some might have seen on Sky), and his comeback against Liverpool was on 1st October 1995, less than nine months later. also, I think his ban was imposed on 31st March 1995. possibly "six months from here on" or "eight months from the Incident onwards" or somesuch?

got to admit I always defended Eric from tabloid abuse, mainly because the abuse he got incarnated the cultural compartmentalism which sickens me about those papers; he was certainly a key figure in a lot of Man Utd fans' consciously "un-English", even anti-English, identity. the same unfortunately can't be said for Rio, however many "two fingers to old establishment institutions like the FA" justifications Richard Kurt might put on it (K-Punk to thread).

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 20 December 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

its a good thing because arsenal should win the title now.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 December 2003 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

one more point off Bolton than Chelsea got; by such things are titles generally won and lost, indeed.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Saturday, 20 December 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I have run out of all sympathy with RF, whom I have also realized I just do not like. But the lack of sympathy is to do with £70k a week for doing nothing.

the pinefox, Monday, 22 December 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

John Terry must be loving it, though...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 22 December 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
meanwhile Smithy gets a paltry two match ban for throwing a plastic bottle at the crowd. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
Mutu gets 7 months for being a drug user
Rio got 8 months for being forgetful for missing a drugs test

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah but Rio is a w@nker, so all is fair!

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Rio is cool, man.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a Red and he's straight out of Footballer's Wives.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly, so my first post is correct on both counts!

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

predictable double standards/inconsistency from the FA sadly.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

One person's wanker is another person's...DUDE!

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This isn't double standards.
If Mutu got a longer sentence than Rio it would have sent out the message that if you have taken something illegal it's better to just skip the test and go for a coffee.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Rio was not proven guilty of taking drugs, Mutu's ban should be longer. Should be simple as that.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Suppose Mutu got a 2 year ban.
If some other footballer then spends a night coked off his face and finds out he's got a drug test next day does he:

a) Take the test, get fired, get banned for two years

b) "Forget" and get 8 months holiday on full pay

Answers on a postcard marked "I know footballers are stupid but FFS!"

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

that's for the FA to sort out. where is the logic in punishing people more severely for something they MIGHT have done?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The logic is in the unstated concensus at the FA that Rio did exactly what I said in my last post.
I agree that taking drugs is worse than not taking drugs but forgetting to prove it, but how plausible is Rio's story?

Mutu also lost his job remember, he's been punished twice.

Was Paul Merson punished for admitting to taking cocaine?

Lee Bowyer's punishment for taking recreational drugs at Charlton was a money spinning transfer to Leeds, while his less sellable teammates were sacked.

Double standards are rife at clubs as well as a FA.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Mutu also lost his job remember, he's been punished twice.

It baffles me that people can say that. Mutu has about one, maybe two duties to his club by contract: Stay Clean, turn up.

He screwed up. I would lose my job if I didn't turn up half the time and tested positive for drugs! It is common sense, and his own fault. My sympathy doesn't extend to a man stupid enough to, in a sense, bite the hand that fed him by breaching his contract.

3underscore (___), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

well if it wasn't football, he'd be sacked - but then would he walk straight into another job based on his ability? i'm sure that happens a lot in other industries...

which is a problem for football's governing bodies - hence additional ban.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)


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