Chuck D impressing me more and more.

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From the AP -- Chuck spoke at the University of Georgia on Monday and made some amazingly measured, reasonable comments, as follows:

"All this rah, rah, rah, let's go get 'em," he said, reminds him of when his father was summoned to fight in Vietnam. His father returned from war deeply disturbed, he told a group of [students]. The 41-year-old former rapper called the recent hijackings a reality check for a country in which nothing seemed to matter but entertainment and sports. "The biggest news in this whole country before Sept. 11 was whether Michael Jordan would come back," he said. But now, he said, "We need smart people. We need to listen to smart people."

It's the last comment that pleases me so much. Over the past ten years, there's been a move by several formerly-strident artists -- most notable Chuck and Ice T -- toward writing and the college lecture circuit. Along with this has come what seems like a really profound respect for academia, intellectualism, and knowledge. The shift, I think, seems to be that these are people who would probably, in their youth, have attacked the traditional means of passing on that knowledge -- who I don't imagine would have been very impressed with American academia or its keepers of knowledge, and might have interpreted "listen to smart people" as meaning "surrender your own thoughts to the establishment." So it strikes me as an amazing, wonderful development that they're now so taken not just with knowledge but with institutional knowledge, and with the prospect of actually entering the intellectual tradition and shaping it.

Some of this may be related to the fact that the academic world has always been so fascinated by hip-hop, from so many directions: sociological, literary, anthropological, cultural criticism, etc -- I imagine this has made academic environments more open to folks like Chuck D, and therefore a lot more appealing. But another part of it is that folks like Chuck and KRS-One have, to some extent, proven themselves intellectually, or at least proven themselves to be serious-minded and thoughtful people, through hip-hop music. Which is pretty amazing, really.

I dunno -- thoughts?

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CHuck D also had it right about Napster, saying the industry is finally getting abused as it has abused artists for years

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also of note is a New Yorker article from a while ago which mentioned, in passing, Shaq approaching Cornell West and some event and practically curtseying -- as in, "Dr. West, I have so very much respect for you." It pleases me hugely to see this ongoing process of black individuals getting more and more access to the intellectual establishment, and therefore black culture as a whole having more and more respect for that establishment, and more and more aspirations toward it. The idea of a kid growing up thinking Cornell West is anywhere near as cool as Shaq just makes me deliriously happy.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have always had a lot of respect for Mr. Ridenhour.

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i had fucking planned to fucking go to that for two weeks and i was fucking sick that night and decided to not walk halfway across town in the cold i FUCKING MISSED CHUCK D. public enemy have arguably been my favorite band since i was fucking eleven and i have never seen chuck d live, speaking or performing. PLEASE KILL ME.

ethan, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry Ethan. I have not seen Chuck D speak live which seems to be a good thing. I saw PE perform three times I think. The most notably being the openers for LL Cool J during his 87 'I'm Bad' tour. I had had no other experience with PE before then. Needless to say they scared the shiz-it outta me but also turned me on to much better hip hop than Mr. Cool James.

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

everything pe turned me onto (nwa, big daddy kane, amerikka's most wanted, etc) was not much better than mr cool james at all.

ethan, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant seeing them was an intro to better music (hence, themselves). LL has done some good stuff but he's too superstar for me.

Samantha, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PLEASE KILL ME.

Do you want fries with that?

Regarding Nitsuh's original post -- interesting, though surely I never sensed that Chuck D was anti-intellectual. Now, there are a few things I remember him saying ten years ago I'd take issue with -- his anti-gay comments, for a start -- but I'd felt he was perhaps trying to come up with an alternate canon, say, rather than ditching the academic approach entirely. All this said, I won't pretend to have tracked his every move over the moons.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chuck's oratory skills must have improved quite a bit since I saw him speak in '91 (that's a long time ago, so that wouldn’t be a surprise), because on that lecture tour he struck me as very unfocused and extremely long-winded. He kept going around in circles & it didn’t seem like he’d prepared anything. It’s interesting to think how much his message might have changed since then. His stance at that point was very separatist, & he didn’t seem interested in engaging with the white mainstream at all.

Mark, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

is "access to the intellectual establishment" via buying a rap album with conscious lyrics any different from "access to the economic establishment" via buying gold rope with "cash money" written on it?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing seemed to matter but entertainment and sports.

This is a ridiculous overstatement, but it seems to have become the cliché of the month. Frank Rich said something similar in the New York Times, about what a frivolous decade the nineties had been, how our attention was taken by OJ and Monica while the real issues were left to languish. Etc. etc.

Fact is, during the Nineties the work week for the average professional rose to 50 or 60 hours (or at least that's the impression I got reading various analyses over the decade; I don't know the actual figures), welfare was drastically curtailed, U.S.'s productivity shot above every other country's. But what was missing was anything but the most superficial concern on the part of the electorate for the actual functions of government, for the actual consequences of tax cuts and economic policy in general, for the actual consequences of voting for mandatory sentencing, and so forth. Which is to say the work ethic, the idea of being responsible for children, for one's own fate, one's own life, was in strong effect, but the responsibility as citizens for one's government was missing.

Someone – not me – could jump in here and claim that the electorate's indifference, alienation, irresponsibility was entirely justified, and that gorging on entertainment and sports was more worthwhile and creative than being gulled into acting as if politics and voting could make a difference against the entrenched power structure. I don't buy this argument, but I'd like someone to jump in and make the argument effectively. Anyway, while supposedly gorging on frivolity, people in the U.S. worked extremely hard, and those with little money – despite the boom – had to work harder and harder just to stay where they were.

Frank Kogan, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

is "access to the intellectual establishment" via buying a rap album with conscious lyrics

Hmmm???? Tracer, I meant actual access to the intellectual establishment in terms of people like Cornell West or Thomas Sowell or the many not-famous black intellectuals who now exist. I think my point was that as more and more black people enter this realm in reality, black culture as a whole will gradually cease to view it with suspicion or as a tool of establishment ideology or whatever else.

So ... yeah, not the records, I mean the actual folks. And that, to some extent, includes the fact that people like Ice T and Chuck D now have access to the mainstream intellectual ground of the college lecture circuit.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, throwing a load of names onto the album credits doesn't make anybody a social critic worth taking seriously. What Mark Pitchfork said about the lecture goes double for Chuck D's book. When people claim that PE (who I like) educated them, I doubt many of them actually went and read the original sources for PE's 'thought'. Political music has always sufficed as politics for lazy people, and the simplifications demanded by being a popular form can be dangerous. Also see KRS-One's comment "I don't read, I arrive at my knowledge through sheer intellectualism"

dave q, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But Dave, isn't that an argument in favor of guys like that hopping into academic circles?

Nitsuh, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay Nitsuh I see what you mean. They're taken seriously by serious people. And good on em; certainly no one expected the MC behind Yo Bum Rush the Show to be making the lecture circuit. But I'd almost rather Trick Daddy be taken seriously by serious people—we KNOW what "fight the power" is about - what's Cornel West's take on "I'm a Thug"?

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nitsuh - absolutely, but they should be there as students.

dave q, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Trick Daddy is being taken seriously by serious people. Or don't you guys ever consider yourself "serious people"?

And I think maybe what Nitsuh is hoping for is for serious people like Trick Daddy to start taking people like Cornel West seriously, too.

Frank Kogan, Saturday, 6 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Precisely, Frank. And as for the "they should be there as students," part of what I'm sensing is that that's the case -- Ice T, in particular, seems suddenly fascinated with the trappings of academia. I saw a recent interview in which he was saying that someone approached him after one of his lectures and told him that his personal philosophy had a lot in common with Neitzsche, following which Ice T went out and read Neitzsche. Now I'm not claiming that Ice T actually learned anything from this -- who knows -- but what interests me is the simple fact that Ice T seemed excited about the prospect of reading Neitzsche, the fact that Ice T seemed to think it was, for lack of a better word, "cool" to read Neitzsche. The mere talking about Neitzsche and academia and admiring Cornell West and "listening to smart people" ... it just strikes me as a nice step.

Nitsuh, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess the analogy I should use -- even though it's sort of scarily conservative -- is that regardless of whether Ice T ever killed a cop, "Cop Killer" does set a tone, and model a certain type of behavior. (I don't advocate doing anything to stop or censor that, but I think we'd all agree is it's not the most positive thing in the world.) Similarly, regardless of whether Ice T or Chuck D or whomever actually read scholarly book all day, just talking about it can set a tone that I think would be just a great, great thing for hip-hop to start moving toward. (That's speaking sociologically, not musically.)

Nitsuh, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i. I think my bristles are up because of the phrase "access to academia" which makes me reach for my wallet - like "universal access to healthcare" or "universal internet access", "access to academia" usually means a kind of honorary or symbolic gesture that actually delivers subpar performance and recoups the original relationship in starker terms: Ice T makes the lecture circuit because he doesn't belong there. On the flip side, I agree that it's great when people crack open a book or two and try to engage what they do in the world with a different field of study or approach to knowledge. I don't see why hiphop artists should be specially congratulated for this though. I'm suprised when people DON'T read. Are you impressed because musicians are, generally speaking, a bunch of layabouts? Or is it this is an especially acute period of materialism in all aspects of our culture, in which hiphop is the most visible and explicit outsider's chronicle? (and academia is spozedly about intellectual rewards rather than financial?)

p.s. I suppose ILM is serious peeples. But at its best we arrive there more obliquely than Cornell West would, via play, or insults (i.e. not this post)

Tracer Hand, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"is it this" = "is it that this" — yes, this is it

Tracer Hand, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing though.

Also, Chuck D and pals seem to accord charlatans the same status as 'experts' (although I am aware that one may be seen as the other by different people.) I mean, Dr. Frances Welsing? Why not Cesare Lombroso while they're at it?

dave q, Tuesday, 9 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

seventeen years pass...

mostly OTMFM
https://web.archive.org/web/20030109050757/http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.03/chuckd_pr.html

Say an independent label has a studio. If this label cuts a record, it has to go out and distribute 10,000 pieces of hard-software in order to get exposure. The Internet eliminates that need, so an independent can test a market without ever pressing a CD. The demo, as we know it, will be eradicated.

It's great for the musician. Instead of just depending on a song and a video, the Net will bring back live performances. Artists will be able to release a song every two weeks, instead of waiting six, seven months for a label to put it out. A band can become like a broadcaster.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:56 (six years ago)


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